On 1/3/2012 12:51 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
>>> So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there
>>> is appropriate application of judgement to specific cases.
>>
>> Gene
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM, "Kalle Korhonen" wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
>> > So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there
>> > is appropriate application of judgement to specific cases.
>>
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 15:13, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Doug Cutting wrote:
>
>> On 01/03/2012 07:35 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>> > [1] "I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork,
>> > or a corporate spin-out, or a mov
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> >... All in all I think bloodhound should continue on, and the incubator
> > PMC should trust the mentors to keep things on their current track
> > (hehe) of collaboration-where-poss
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Doug Cutting wrote:
> On 01/03/2012 07:35 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
> > [1] "I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork,
> > or a corporate spin-out, or a move, or brand new... All Good. "
> >
> > [2] "At Apache, all contributions
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
>... All in all I think bloodhound should continue on, and the incubator
> PMC should trust the mentors to keep things on their current track
> (hehe) of collaboration-where-possible, rather than turn this into an
> overheated debate...
+1, I thin
On 01/03/2012 07:35 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
> [1] "I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork,
> or a corporate spin-out, or a move, or brand new... All Good. "
>
> [2] "At Apache, all contributions are voluntary. We do not accept code
> from copyright owne
Hey folks,
I felt I had to take a look at this. Like Ralph I was very concerned
when I saw Ethan's e-mail. Thanks a lot for writing it Ethan, and
thanks for writing it with so much detail.
I just read all the e-mail about bloodhound I could find (that I had
pretty much ignored when I saw other pe
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Kalle Korhonen
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
>> So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there
>> is appropriate application of judgement to specific cases.
>
> Generic policy doesn't mean you couldn't use judgem
On Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM, "Kalle Korhonen" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
> > So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there
> > is appropriate application of judgement to specific cases.
>
> Generic policy doesn't mean you couldn't use judgemen
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
> So the generic policy is there is no generic policy, and instead there
> is appropriate application of judgement to specific cases.
Generic policy doesn't mean you couldn't use judgement or make
exceptions. In principle, if the ASF's mission is
Any time a body of code is contributed from another source, it should
go through the standard Apache procedures, including a license grant
(if it's not open-source already). But this is very different from
spinning off chunks of an existing incubator project.
For example, ManifoldCF is currently
It occurs to me that the ASF, in enforcing open-source licensing,
becomes a source of free legal advice to the open-source community,
whether it intends to or not...
1. Contribute a body of code to ASF.
2. "Is it legal for us to accept this? Better run it past legal@."
3. Use acceptance of the
Hey hey,
(Pff. I like replying in-line but this is a hard e-mail to reply to
in-line so I will top post.)
If I understand your policy question: will apache allow an incubating
community to show up and start a project when they are forking another
project?
I'd say, in general, yes, probably, if a
On 1/3/2012 11:43 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
> Would some please clarify is this is *truly* a hostile fork?
Wrong thread, see Subject: above. Thx.
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On 1/3/2012 11:43 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
> I don't understand the purpose of a vote here. Roy has stated rather
> firmly that [2] is settled foundation policy.
Pointer to where that policy was established, or it didn't happen.
It might have been a consensus relative to some specific incide
> [ ] Forks are accepted without judgement [Greg] [1]
>
> [ ] [something more nuanced here]
>
> [X ] Hostile forks are never acceptable [Roy] [2]
I don't understand the purpose of a vote here. Roy has stated rather
firmly that [2] is settled foundation policy. So, if someone wants to
reopen tha
On 1/3/2012 11:14 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM, "William A. Rowe Jr." wrote:
>> ...
A PMC I am on had this exact conversation with board members several
months ago regarding a code base the project is dependent on that is housed
outside the ASF which we were consi
On 1/3/2012 10:55 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
> wrote:
>>
>> ... Folks, can we please find a better forum for religious "This is the ASF"
>> debates
>> to occur? And keep discussions non-toxic here on general@incubator?...
>
> I don't pe
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>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:06 AM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating
>
>On 28 December 2011 19:15, Franklin, Matthew B.
>wrote:
>> This is the fifth incubator release for
On Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM, "William A. Rowe Jr." wrote:
>...
> >> A PMC I am on had this exact conversation with board members several
> >> months ago regarding a code base the project is dependent on that is
housed
> >> outside the ASF which we were considering bringing in as a subproject.
We
> >>
+1
imo we can easily just start calling the VOTE. BVAL and the resolution has been
on spot several times.
So I'd say we just move the last resolution text to our Wiki and do an internal
review for fixing the last itches and scratches.
Then we can formally call the VOTE and are done.
LieGru
On Jan 3, 2012, at 2:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the
> Incubator PMC to be members of that PMC.
Thanks!
>
> With this the Flex mentors roster is complete, thanks for volunteering!
You're welcome!
Regards,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>
>... Folks, can we please find a better forum for religious "This is the ASF"
>debates
> to occur? And keep discussions non-toxic here on general@incubator?...
I don't perceive this thread as religious or toxic - I see a rather
health
On 1/3/2012 2:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM, "Ralph Goers" wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers"
> wrote:
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As
long as there i
Okey dok, I added it in r32707 now that Doug created the agenda.
Thanks!
Cheers,
Chris
On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hey Board@,
>
> The Incubator PMC has VOTEd to recommend graduating Apache
> Gora. Here's the resolution:
>
> X. Establish the Apache Gora Pro
+1
Matt
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
> Hi...
>
> It has been discussed, since a while, about the graduation of Apache
> Bean Validation, whether to graduate to a TLP or Subproject and whether it
> is time or not, [1], [2] and [3].
> In the past few weeks there ha
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
>... The Apache Bean Validation community sees it is time to request an IPMC
> [VOTE] on recommending this resolution [7] to the ASF board.
>
> Accordingly, would you please cast your vote:
>
> [X ] +1 to recommend Bean Validation's gradu
Hi...
It has been discussed, since a while, about the graduation of Apache
Bean Validation, whether to graduate to a TLP or Subproject and whether it
is time or not, [1], [2] and [3].
In the past few weeks there has been a [VOTE], [4], which formally
discussed the graduation to a TLP project. R
Welcome Anne and Dave!
Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 3, 2012, at 2:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the
> Incubator PMC to be members of that PMC.
>
> With this the Flex mentors roster is complete, thanks for volunteering!
>
>
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> The Trac community revolves mostly
> around the plugins rather than the core. I see Bloodhound as improving
> the core facilities (new features and hauling in certain plugins),
> resulting in a better default distribution (right now, you need to
Hi Flex podling community,
Please subscribe at least to the dev list for anything related to that
podling, see below.
This info will soon be available at http://incubator.apache.org/flex/
-Bertrand
Flex mailing lists info:
You can now join the Flex developer's mailing list by sending an email
Hi Idel,
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Idel Fuschini wrote:
> ...if you need a help to your project I will be happy to contribute
Thanks! The best is to wait for the devicemap-dev list to be created,
and we can then discuss any plans there.
I'll announce here once that list is available.
On 28 December 2011 19:15, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote:
> This is the fifth incubator release for Apache Rave, with the artifacts being
> versioned as 0.6-incubating.
>
> We are requesting at least one additional IPMC member vote, as we have
> received 2 binding IPMC +1 votes during the release v
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers
> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>> ...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition
>>> among
>>> projects. We accept projects with hard pr
Hi,
First of all Happy New yeasr, and sorry for my scholastic english.
I'm Idel Fuschini the owner of Apache Mobile Filter (
http://www.apachemobilefilter.org or
https://modules.apache.org/search.php?id=1787).
AMF started in 2008, is a module written in Perl using mod_perl and the
features are:
De
Hi,
What a great way to start the day and the new year. Thanks everyone who voted!
Looking forward to mentoring Apache Flex!
/Anne
On 3 January 2012 11:07, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the
> Incubator PMC to be members of
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> ...Let's cast your votes to accept DeviceMap as an incubating project,
> proposal is at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeviceMapProposal ...
The votes passes with binding +1s from the following people, several
non-binding +1s and no
Excellent news, welcome and thanks for volunteering as mentors Anne and
Dave!
- Peter
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the
> Incubator PMC to be members of that PMC.
>
> With this the Flex ment
Hi,
I'm pleased to announce that Anne and Dave have been elected by the
Incubator PMC to be members of that PMC.
With this the Flex mentors roster is complete, thanks for volunteering!
-Bertrand
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On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Raju Bitter wrote:
> Don't know if this is the right mailing list, but reading
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>
> the section "Using A Wiki To Create Documentation" contains an invalid
> link to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/clas in the senten
Don't know if this is the right mailing list, but reading
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
the section "Using A Wiki To Create Documentation" contains an invalid
link to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/clas in the sentence
"...to ensure that access to the wiki used to create docume
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> ...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition among
>> projects. We accept projects with hard problems and low chances of success.
>> We accept projects that some don't
On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> As a person wanting to see Apache Bloodhound take off... yeah, I'm making a
> judgement call on whether that can better occur at the ASF instead of
> within the current Trac community. (fwiw, some of the ideas are
> non-starters for Trac, so the
"minimal activity" is the phrase I used. :-)
On Jan 3, 2012 2:49 AM, "Mark Struberg" wrote:
> actually 6 commits in a month is not huge, but by far not nothing!
>
> We have projects here which have less commits per month...
>
> I wouldn't consider the Trac community dead.
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
On Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM, "Ralph Goers" wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> > On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers"
wrote:
> >>
> >> Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac.
As
> > long as there is some kind of active community it is imprope
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