Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal

2008-03-25 Thread edward yoon
Thank you very much for your advice. I was going to fix that. Last year I worked as a full-time open source developer at R&D center at NHN (search service company) for hadoop and hbase, and now i worked for development projects in real service areas. Some (minchang, changhee) are my fellow workers

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martijn Dashorst wrote: No, committers *don't* have binding votes: Binding Votes Who is permitted to vote is, to some extent, a community-specific thing. However, the basic rule is that only PMC members have binding votes, and all others are either discouraged from voting (to keep the noise dow

RE: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> That is a little misleading. Committers can and do have binding votes. > However, there are some things such as releases that must have PMC > binding votes. Binding decisions are made by PMC members. Votes on new Committers, new PMC Members, and new Releases, all decided by each PMC. -

Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal

2008-03-25 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:56 AM, edward yoon wrote: Dear IPMC, I´m still waiting for hadoop's answer, but IMO, I would like to continue to discuss this. Apache (incubator) Pig project is built on top of Hadoop, but it is not a hadoop sub-project. Each different concept of project has inherently d

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Rupert, This statement convinces me that you are an independent committer on the project. I think it would be good for everyone on the qpid project who consider themselves to be independent to post a similar statement. I'd probably go further, and ask that the statements be included in

Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP

2008-03-25 Thread Martijn Dashorst
-1 I agree with Dan, Robert, et al that QPid is on the right track and should be ready to graduate in a couple of months. Currently the absolute minimum diversity claim is barely met, with quite some debate regarding this is the case or not. Martijn On 3/23/08, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Rupert Smith
I don't mean to be secretive so I shall clarify things for you. I have provided consultancy to JPMC and this did relate to Qpid, particularly helping some of their teams to get set up with it. However, I have never been covered by a corporate CLA but signed it as an individual contributor. This was

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/25/08, Aidan Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was under the impression that it was the committership that was > > looked at, not the PPMC. Am I misreading "The project is not highly > > dependent on a

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Robert Greig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25/03/2008, Robert Greig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Let's drop the "legally" qualifier from independent... this isn't the > IRS :-) > > In that case I would claim that I am also independent. Although I work >

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Robert Greig
On 25/03/2008, Robert Greig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's drop the "legally" qualifier from independent... this isn't the IRS > > :-) In that case I would claim that I am also independent. Although I work for JPMC I am not paid to work on the Qpid project and all my contributions for the

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Robert Greig
On 25/03/2008, Yonik Seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rupert is the only committer, and he looks like he may have a JPMC > affiliation to me. > Let's drop the "legally" qualifier from independent... this isn't the IRS :-) > > I'm more concerned about the misleading statements on committer > div

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Over > the course of the project we have received large contributions from at > least 3+ legally independents. They include Rupert Smith (.NET), > Colin Crist (Hermes integration / use cases), Tomas Restrepo (.NET). Ru

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Martijn Dashorst
BTW: found this description at: http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html On 3/25/08, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, committers *don't* have binding votes: > > Binding Votes > > Who is permitted to vote is, to some extent, a community-specific > thing. However, the basic

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Monday 24 March 2008, Carl Trieloff wrote: > > Huh? The graduation guide says "there are at least 3 legally > > independent committers" and I don't see that with Qpid. > > Dan, > > I think it has been proved that there are at least 3 legally > independent committers - please > can you revise yo

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Rupert Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't forget about me. I am a currently active Qpid committer and not > an employee of either RedHat > or JPMC. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02323.html I've done the independent contractor thing for

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Martijn Dashorst
No, committers *don't* have binding votes: Binding Votes Who is permitted to vote is, to some extent, a community-specific thing. However, the basic rule is that only PMC members have binding votes, and all others are either discouraged from voting (to keep the noise down) or else have their vote

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 3/25/08, Aidan Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was under the impression that it was the committership that was > looked at, not the PPMC. Am I misreading "The project is not highly > dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally > independent committers and there is

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Paul Fremantle
Guillaume That is a little misleading. Committers can and do have binding votes. However, there are some things such as releases that must have PMC binding votes. Paul On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Guillaume Nodet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The "project" means the people that can vote and m

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Guillaume Nodet
The "project" means the people that can vote and make decisions. Committers who are not PMC members can not as their vote is not binding. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Aidan Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Martijn Dashorst > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is not a question of who is active on the list, but how the > PMC/committership looks like at graduation. All the names you supplied > are *not* on the PMC, and therefore don't count for the diversity > requireme

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 3/25/08, Rajith Attapattu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we had the following folks who made large contributions. > > Colin Crist (Hermes integration / use cases) > Tomas Restrepo (.NET) > > Kevin Smith (TLS) > Bupendra (Mgt console) > > Tomas who was voted in as a committer has mentioned his

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-25 Thread Rajith Attapattu
> > > I see no reason why we shouldn't graduate. > > With Rupert, possibly so ... is he really the only one independent from RH > and JPMC *today*? Are there any others? > Noel, we had the following folks who made large contributions. Colin Crist (Hermes integration / use cases) Tomas Restrepo (

[ANN] Apache NMaven 0.15-incubating Released

2008-03-25 Thread Shane Isbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Apache NMaven team is pleased to announce the release of NMaven 0.15-incubating. NMaven provides Maven 2.x plugins to support building of .NET applications. http://incubator.apache.org/nmaven/0.15/ Features for this release include: 1) Compiling