Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-30 Thread Mike Stump
On Mar 30, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Toon Moene wrote: The question is: is the total of these testcases (from one source) within that limit ... [ recalling from memory of past talks with FSF legal ] By submitting a testcase to the FSF, the author extends rights to the FSF to republish the testcase,

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-30 Thread Toon Moene
Daniel Berlin wrote: I think we should just keep on doing what we do, which is produce small minimized testcases that are well within the "de minimis" limits for copyright, or even if they aren't, the tests don't actually do anything useful from a program perspective. The number of questionable tes

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Daniel Berlin
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 14:52 -0800, Joe Buck wrote: > Daniel Berlin wrote: > > >IE if we added a very large warning to the submission page that said > > >"PLEASE NOTE: BY SUBMITTING A TESTCASE, YOU AGREE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT > > >TO CREATE, USE, AND PUBLISH EITHER YOUR VERBATIM TESTCASE OR A > > >

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Robert Dewar
Joe Buck wrote: Daniel Berlin wrote: IE if we added a very large warning to the submission page that said "PLEASE NOTE: BY SUBMITTING A TESTCASE, YOU AGREE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CREATE, USE, AND PUBLISH EITHER YOUR VERBATIM TESTCASE OR A DERIVATIVE UNDER GCC'S CURRENT LICENSE" or something of t

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Joe Buck
Daniel Berlin wrote: > >IE if we added a very large warning to the submission page that said > >"PLEASE NOTE: BY SUBMITTING A TESTCASE, YOU AGREE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT > >TO CREATE, USE, AND PUBLISH EITHER YOUR VERBATIM TESTCASE OR A > >DERIVATIVE UNDER GCC'S CURRENT LICENSE" > >or something of t

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Robert Dewar
Robert Dewar wrote: Daniel Berlin wrote: IE if we added a very large warning to the submission page that said "PLEASE NOTE: BY SUBMITTING A TESTCASE, YOU AGREE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CREATE, USE, AND PUBLISH EITHER YOUR VERBATIM TESTCASE OR A DERIVATIVE UNDER GCC'S CURRENT LICENSE" or something

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Robert Dewar
Daniel Berlin wrote: IE if we added a very large warning to the submission page that said "PLEASE NOTE: BY SUBMITTING A TESTCASE, YOU AGREE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CREATE, USE, AND PUBLISH EITHER YOUR VERBATIM TESTCASE OR A DERIVATIVE UNDER GCC'S CURRENT LICENSE" or something of the sort, they wo

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Mike Stump
On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:06 AM, Daniel Berlin wrote: They are going to have to show that they had on idea this would happen, which is somewhat difficult. IE if we added a very large warning to the submission page that said "PLEASE NOTE: BY SUBMITTING A TESTCASE I suspect we could put a description

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Daniel Berlin
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 10:10 -0500, Richard Kenner wrote: > In reality, a person who submits code knowing it is going to be > distilled and used in testsuites under our license would probably be > estopped from claiming it violates their copyright to do so. They are > going to have

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Richard Kenner
In reality, a person who submits code knowing it is going to be distilled and used in testsuites under our license would probably be estopped from claiming it violates their copyright to do so. They are going to have to show that they had on idea this would happen, which is som

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Daniel Berlin
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 15:50 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Robert Dewar: > > > Unfortunately, you can't rely on sane judges, since the plaintiff can > > always demand a jury trial, and you would be surprised what juries think. > > Furthermore, deleting the test case makes no sense as a remedy. E

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-29 Thread Florian Weimer
* Robert Dewar: > Unfortunately, you can't rely on sane judges, since the plaintiff can > always demand a jury trial, and you would be surprised what juries think. > Furthermore, deleting the test case makes no sense as a remedy. Either > there is or there is not a copyright violation. The judge c

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-28 Thread Robert Dewar
Zack Weinberg wrote: Andrew Pinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The code for these testcases submitted so far are about 12 lines a piece and have almost nothing which can tell where they came from (Other than comments in the code). That's probably fine then. IIRC, previous discussion of this has g

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-28 Thread Joe Buck
On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:04:40AM -0800, Zack Weinberg wrote: > Andrew Pinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > The code for these testcases submitted so far are about 12 lines a piece > > and have almost nothing which can tell where they came from (Other than > > comments in the code). > > Tha

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-28 Thread Zack Weinberg
Andrew Pinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The code for these testcases submitted so far are about 12 lines a piece > and have almost nothing which can tell where they came from (Other than > comments in the code). That's probably fine then. IIRC, previous discussion of this has generally come

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-28 Thread Joe Buck
On Monday, March 28, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Toon Moene wrote: > >How do we deal with this, copyright-wise ? Do we have to take special > >care when deriving test-cases from them ? On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:28:43AM -0800, Mike Stump wrote: > The canonical method I use is to delete all aspects of t

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-28 Thread Andrew Pinski
> > On Monday, March 28, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Toon Moene wrote: > > How do we deal with this, copyright-wise ? Do we have to take special > > care when deriving test-cases from them ? > > The canonical method I use is to delete all aspects of the program that > don't influence the bug, comments

Re: Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-28 Thread Mike Stump
On Monday, March 28, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Toon Moene wrote: How do we deal with this, copyright-wise ? Do we have to take special care when deriving test-cases from them ? The canonical method I use is to delete all aspects of the program that don't influence the bug, comments, unused/unneeded fu

Copyright status of example code in Bugzilla - how to deal with when writing testcases.

2005-03-28 Thread Toon Moene
L.S., An ex-J3 member has started to apply his bag of test programs on gfortran - this could result in potentially hundreds of bug reports in Bugzilla with attached test-code. How do we deal with this, copyright-wise ? Do we have to take special care when deriving test-cases from them ? Thank