Re: [Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Alexander Blasche
> -Original Message- > From: Development [mailto:development- > bounces+alexander.blasche=qt...@qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Alexander > Blasche > I don't think we can drop all 32bit support. I do believe MSVC 2017 should be > part of the deal though. That's a good suggestion. Keeping t

Re: [Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
23.11.2016, 05:32, "Thiago Macieira" : > On quarta-feira, 23 de novembro de 2016 02:06:14 PST Jake Petroules wrote: >>  > If we still have time, I'd like to see MinGW 64-bit for 5.8, so we can >>  > drop >>  > the 32-bit binary build in time for 5.9. >>  > >>  > Otherwise, if we have to wait for

Re: [Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Alexander Blasche
> -Original Message- > From: Development [mailto:development- > bounces+alexander.blasche=qt...@qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Thiago > Macieira > Good point. Considering that MSVC 2017 is coming (RC is already out), I'd also > be prepared to have it available for 5.9, so I propose: > >

Re: [Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quarta-feira, 23 de novembro de 2016 02:06:14 PST Jake Petroules wrote: > > If we still have time, I'd like to see MinGW 64-bit for 5.8, so we can > > drop > > the 32-bit binary build in time for 5.9. > > > > Otherwise, if we have to wait for 5.9 to bring MinGW 64-bit, then we can't > > drop 32

Re: [Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Jake Petroules
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Thiago Macieira > wrote: > > On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 16:07:25 PST Thiago Macieira wrote: >> On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 23:46:32 PST Jake Petroules wrote: - For MinGW I propose to start delivering 64 bit binary packages instead

Re: [Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 16:07:25 PST Thiago Macieira wrote: > On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 23:46:32 PST Jake Petroules wrote: > > > - For MinGW I propose to start delivering 64 bit binary packages instead > > > of 32 bit one & start using MinGW 6.x (6.2?) > > > > Does this

Re: [Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 23:46:32 PST Jake Petroules wrote: > > - For MinGW I propose to start delivering 64 bit binary packages instead > > of 32 bit one & start using MinGW 6.x (6.2?) > Does this make sense when we're still delivering 32-bit MSVC packages? I'd > opt to keep 32-bit o

Re: [Development] Summary ABI compabilty

2016-11-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quarta-feira, 23 de novembro de 2016 00:07:35 PST Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: > Can't we statically link to it, so that it doesn't matter which version the > application is using? No, same problem, which is exactly what the Linux distros are doing wrong. C++ requires certain symbols to be sh

Re: [Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Jake Petroules
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Jani Heikkinen wrote: > > Hi all, > We need to start preparations for Qt5.9 release even Qt 5.8.0 isn't out yet > :) There are some things to be agreed already now: > > - Qt 5.9.0 Feature Freeze > - Changes in supported platforms/configurations > > So first of a

Re: [Development] Summary ABI compabilty

2016-11-22 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Tuesday 22 November 2016, Thiago Macieira wrote: > On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 19:21:40 PST Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > > * pros: > > ** You can use Qt compiled against either libc++ or libstdc++, with > > "the other one", without recompiling Qt. > > > > * subjective cons: > > ** apar

Re: [Development] Summary ABI compabilty

2016-11-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 19:21:40 PST Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > * pros: > ** You can use Qt compiled against either libc++ or libstdc++, with > "the other one", without recompiling Qt. > * subjective cons: > ** apart from Qt, noone does that, why should Qt be special in that regard?

Re: [Development] Summary ABI compabilty

2016-11-22 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Marco Bubke wrote: > I think I miss some but feel free to extend the list Does Qt need to keep BC across incompatible standard C++ library implementations? (Independently from the long term/short term ABI breaks) This does not mean "is Qt affected by a BC break

Re: [Development] Summary ABI compabilty

2016-11-22 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On martes, 22 de noviembre de 2016 11:33:55 ART Marco Bubke wrote: [snip] > Long Term ABI compability(5-10 years): > > > * easier life of Linux packager > > - con: you can use Flatpack in many case (disputed) The amount of flatpacks needed would easily become also a problem (see my mail with

Re: [Development] Basing Qt Creator Coding Style on C++ Core Guidelines?

2016-11-22 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On lunes, 21 de noviembre de 2016 23:18:08 ART Marco Bubke wrote: [snip] > I strongly agree with Andre'. And is a BC break in the time of flat pack > that bad? As an user I really looking forward to flat pack, so I can > update my heavily used Applications and being not dependent on > distribution

Re: [Development] Basing Qt Creator Coding Style on C++ Core Guidelines?

2016-11-22 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On lunes, 21 de noviembre de 2016 17:20:09 ART Thiago Macieira wrote: > On segunda-feira, 21 de novembro de 2016 21:23:54 PST Lisandro Damián > Nicanor > Pérez Meyer wrote: > > Now I have a question: how will the Qt community take that a distro > > changes > > the SONAME of a lib from, let's say, 5

Re: [Development] Basing Qt Creator Coding Style on C++ Core Guidelines?

2016-11-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 11:25:45 PST Marco Bubke wrote: > I don't see the problem to describe it in text, like CSS is doing. Actually > it has the advantage to be independent of drawing systems. If you code it > in C++ it is hard to translate that to OpenGL etc. For 20 years we have

Re: [Development] Summary ABI compabilty

2016-11-22 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 11:33:55 PST Marco Bubke wrote: > Short Term ABI compability(1-2 years): > > > * better bug fixing By a very small margin. We've got 20 years of experience fixing bugs without breaking ABI. > * faster development Unproven. > * faster adoption of standar

[Development] Recommendations for 3rd-party QCH file installation folder for easy discovery?

2016-11-22 Thread Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
Hi, (resending here instead of qt-creator@, as hinted to by Eike) two questions to anyone working on/with QCH files: Q1: what would be a good system path pattern (on *nixoid systems) for Qt-based libraries to install their QCH files to? Q2: And would/could there be some way to have 3rd-party Q

Re: [Development] Nominating James McDonnell for approver status

2016-11-22 Thread Alexander Blasche
> -Original Message- > From: Lars Knoll > I added him to the gerrit Approver group. Alex can do any adjustments to Jira > that are required. Done. -- Alex ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/ma

Re: [Development] HEADS-UP: Branching from '5.8' to '5.8.0' started

2016-11-22 Thread Lars Knoll
As long as we're still merging from 5.6 to 5.8, this is probably a good way to handle things. But since we're now having this on the table, I still believe that we need to consider when to stop doing merges from 5.6 to newer versions. This has been discussed in length at the contributor summit,

Re: [Development] HEADS-UP: Branching from '5.8' to '5.8.0' started

2016-11-22 Thread Oswald Buddenhagen
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 01:40:44PM +0100, Liang Qi wrote: > Then there will be batches of merges 5.6->5.7->5.8 before the final down > merge 5.8->5.8.0. If your changes are after those merges, it will miss the > 5.8.0 release normally. > (cherry-pick only for the critical things after the final do

Re: [Development] [HiDPI] Rethinking the scaling algorithm

2016-11-22 Thread Morten Sorvig
> On 16 Nov 2016, at 17:22, Niccolò Belli wrote: > > Hi Morten, > I'm sorry, I missed your reply. > >> RoundPreferFloor Round up for .75 and higher >> RoundPreferFloor is the new default. Do you think this is sufficient? > > qFloor would help for my monitor, of course. > > Unfortunately the

Re: [Development] CI suffering from an unknown problem

2016-11-22 Thread Tony Sarajärvi
Hi again The CI seemed to suffer from the same problem as our personal instances of the CI did: hardware was not allocated per request, nor did cleaning up of VMs work. So my best bet is that something went bad on vSphere's side. What exactly, we don't know, but a restart of the CI seemed to do

Re: [Development] HEADS-UP: Branching from '5.8' to '5.8.0' started

2016-11-22 Thread Liang Qi
Then there will be batches of merges 5.6->5.7->5.8 before the final down merge 5.8->5.8.0. If your changes are after those merges, it will miss the 5.8.0 release normally. (cherry-pick only for the critical things after the final down merge.) And I plan to do the merges during weekends, if CI/COIN

Re: [Development] Nominating James McDonnell for approver status

2016-11-22 Thread Lars Knoll
Hi, I added him to the gerrit Approver group. Alex can do any adjustments to Jira that are required. Congratulations, James! Cheers, Lars On 22/11/16 13:08, "Rafael Roquetto" wrote: Hello, Since there were no objections, could we please grant the appropriate rights to James?

Re: [Development] Nominating James McDonnell for approver status

2016-11-22 Thread Rafael Roquetto
Hello, Since there were no objections, could we please grant the appropriate rights to James? Thanks, Rafael On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 08:14:19AM +, Lars Knoll wrote: > +1 from my side. Another hand on QNX will be very welcome :) > > Cheers, > Lars > > > > > On 01/11/16 00:01, "Developmen

Re: [Development] QCS2016 Session Notes - QUIPs for Qt

2016-11-22 Thread Lars Knoll
+1 to this. First and foremost we're looking for a way to summarize and document the outcome of discussions and decisions made. That's what QUIPs are for. Arguing about whether gerrit is the perfect tool for reviewing QUIPs is besides the point. It is a tool that'll work better than email discu

[Development] Qt 5.9

2016-11-22 Thread Jani Heikkinen
Hi all, We need to start preparations for Qt5.9 release even Qt 5.8.0 isn't out yet :) There are some things to be agreed already now: - Qt 5.9.0 Feature Freeze - Changes in supported platforms/configurations So first of all let's agree the feature freeze date: I propose to have the FF 1.2.2017

[Development] Summary ABI compabilty

2016-11-22 Thread Marco Bubke
Hi I try to gather all arguments so they don't get lost: Short Term ABI compability(1-2 years): * better bug fixing * faster development * faster adoption of standards - con: we don't want to adapt them because our solution is better Long Term ABI compability(5-10 years): * easier li

Re: [Development] Basing Qt Creator Coding Style on C++ Core Guidelines?

2016-11-22 Thread Marco Bubke
On November 22, 2016 08:17:57 Thiago Macieira wrote: > On terça-feira, 22 de novembro de 2016 06:13:44 PST Marco Bubke wrote: >> So you say it it does not work because of themeing support? Isn't Qt >> Controls 2 not anymore providing them too. And is there no technical >> solutions for that? Like

Re: [Development] QCS2016 Session Notes - QUIPs for Qt

2016-11-22 Thread Shawn Rutledge
> On 21 Nov 2016, at 21:11, André Pönitz wrote: > > QUIPs were not meant to require new or different tooling, and I still > believe such will be needed. Me too. See? we have consensus. ;-) ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org h