Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-16 Thread Martin Read
On 16/09/14 01:00, lee wrote: Shall we have a vote? AFAIK, there's nothing that would speak against having one, in this very mailing list. Why not ask the users? Why should only Debian developers be allowed to vote but not the users? Quite aside from the general DEbian principle of "do-ocrac

Re: But there is a choice to not use systemd (war: Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community)

2014-09-16 Thread Martin Read
On 16/09/14 17:43, Andre N Batista wrote: I find your lack of imagination disturbing. So disturbing that I here and now propose a better approach: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault, his problem. For years to come people would remember what happens to those who try

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Martin Read
On 17/09/14 22:54, Lisi Reisz wrote: Ah! That is the first time you, or anyone else, ha(ve)(s) even hinted at England. And there is no English Parliament, so I don't know how you Antipodeans hear anything from non-existent English Parliamentary parties. There is a UK Parliament, an Irish Stormo

Re: applications missing after dist-upgrade

2014-09-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/09/14 09:16, Joe wrote: You don't say which distribution this is, but it's either testing or unstable. This doesn't happen in stable, but it's fairly regular in unstable. I don't use testing, but I'd have thought this kind of thing was unusual there, as this sort of serious disturbance shou

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/09/14 17:33, Reco wrote: 1) Unstable journald format. Good luck finding that exact version of journalctl to read logs over next several years. When journald was *introduced*, systemd-journald's log file format was not immediately finalized. However, at the time of this e-mail, it appea

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/09/14 19:37, Reco wrote: Are those formats documented somewhere? I'm asking as suddenly I felt an irresistible urge to write journald log viewer and a wireshark dissector. Please note that 'documented' does not equal to 'they provide the source it's all there'. The main page for systemd o

Re: Upgrading to Jessie

2014-09-20 Thread Martin Read
On 20/09/14 13:01, softwatt wrote: So, to sum it up: In my particular situation where I have a separate partition for /home/ , the best "upgrade" would be: 1. Installing a brand new Debian but leaving /home/ intact. 2. Deleting all the config stuff with `rm -rf /home//.[a-z0-9]*` 3. Done. Have

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote: Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible. Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks ridiculously difficult to me. Tedious, perhaps, but not ridiculously difficult. Ther

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 14:31, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 21 September 2014 14:06:32 Peter Nieman wrote: But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true that the developers we are talking about in the context of systemd and similar achievements - while maybe "volunteering" for Debian - are also paid

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 14:47, David L. Craig wrote: Well, do your due dilligence. On my primary Sid system, so far, so good: # dpkg -S /lib/sysvinit/init sysvinit: /lib/sysvinit/init # dpkg -S /sbin/init sysvinit-core: /sbin/init # cmp /lib/sysvinit/init /sbin/init This only needs to be checked after mai

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 15:48, Rob Owens wrote: The bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762116 I think I agree with John Hasler in: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01430.html that much of this is a matter of Debian package dependencies reflecting dependencies of the up

Re: Random

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 20:14, David Baron wrote: On my 64 bit Sid box, seems that certain applications/games come up the same every execution. Would normally expect a random pattern. This is not all of them but many.. Which random generators should be installed, now seeded/configures? Application softwar

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 16:15, lee wrote: Martin Read writes: Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks ridiculously difficult to me. I started to read the huge documentation about how to do it and didn't get anywhere with it. I had that experience. Then I found these conve

Re: Random

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 20:41, David Baron wrote: On Sunday 21 September 2014 20:24:08 Martin Read wrote: Application software usually initializes its internal pseudorandom number generator using inputs like the current system time. Since you haven't mentioned any of the affected programs by name,

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 23:47, The Wanderer wrote: I did mean policykit, but that's because I was talking about my understanding, which does have policykit in that slot. My understanding may well be wrong, and if so, consolekit may very well be what *should* go in that slot instead. consolekit is indeed th

Re: Random

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Read
On 22/09/14 07:55, David Baron wrote: The KMahjong with options set for random boards will always come up with the same pattern but the tiles will be differing/randomized. So this might be the intended. Nice catch. I grabbed the source package with "apt-get source kmahjongg" and was able to fi

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Read
On 23/09/14 00:22, Joel Rees wrote: I think you are saying that there is an implementation of cgroups independent of systemd? systemd does not implement cgroups. The kernel implements them; systemd just uses them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: There is no choice

2014-09-23 Thread Martin Read
On 22/09/14 23:53, lee wrote: And don't mention multiple sound cards (which Joe can't even imagine to have) ... Funnily enough, a substantial number of non-technical computer users do, in fact, have multiple audio devices in their desktop computers. For example, they might have a set of speak

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-25 Thread Martin Read
On 25/09/14 15:42, Rob Owens wrote: I agree that "let's wait until we have a good init to move to" should have been more seriously considered, but for some reason people were in a big hurry to make a move. The vote held was "What should the default init system *in jessie* be?". Given that as

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-25 Thread Martin Read
On 25/09/14 16:40, Steve Litt wrote: "Let's wait for a good alternative, and in the meantime keep sysvinit" is a lot different than "let's keep sysvinit (indefinitely)". Voting "let's keep sysvinit *in jessie*" says *exactly nothing* about the init system in jessie+1. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-26 Thread Martin Read
On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote: So let's see: - the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers The technical committee has no authority (and limited soft power) with respect to what *upstream* developers (i

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-26 Thread Martin Read
On 26/09/14 20:05, Miles Fidelman wrote: Actually, no - I've been following this, and related threads, from the beginning - I have not seen anybody actually mention that a GR was tried. Do you have a reference? https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00114.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: Using reportbug

2014-03-29 Thread Martin Read
On 29/03/14 19:15, Frank Stachyra wrote: Surely there is a way to do this that might be made more readily apparent to anybody who has never used reportbug, and is not adept at using linux terminals. reportbug will be invoking whatever your default text editor is. If the VISUAL or EDITOR enviro

XFCE upgrade wheezy->jessie feedback

2014-04-08 Thread Martin Read
Today, I upgraded my system from wheezy to jessie (mostly because I wanted to install the steam client). This has had at least two issues so far: First, the XFCE panel at the bottom of my screen has materially increased its height (causing the bottom edges of my commonly used applications to

Re: Using wheezy-backports, advice needed

2014-04-11 Thread Martin Read
On 11/04/14 16:23, Paul E Condon wrote: This is pretty clear indication that wheezy-backports won't help, Or did I make a mistake? What mistake? An alternative source of findutils that fits with Wheezy? Where? How? You don't appear to have made a mistake. As Lisi Reisz notes, findutils is not

Re: jd only Japanese?

2014-04-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/04/14 12:56, sp113438 wrote: JD offers a comfortable browsing experience on 2ch-style bulletin board systems. But it is in Japanese language. Am I mistaken? A quick look at the upstream website, which has no easily-spotted links containing the names of European languages, suggests that

Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/04/14 09:11, Curt wrote: On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote: * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth. I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this. I assume they use an electric beard tri

Re: Icedove and Thunderbird

2014-05-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/05/14 15:42, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: I installed Icedove and cannot get the desktop icon to work. I would get a pop up asking me if I wanted to 1]open in terminal 2] view or 3] run. When I clicked view there was a message that it required a XFCE panel. I surely do NOT want XFCE as a desktop

Re: Crypt data "on the fly"

2014-06-07 Thread Martin Read
On 07/06/14 15:23, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 02:13:23PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: differentiates it from random noise. For some people, being able to prove that data was encrypted is enough of a problem (I live in a country where my government can force me to reveal my keys

Re: [SOLVED] Re: wine-unstable 64 bit

2014-06-19 Thread Martin Read
On 19/06/14 14:18, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: This syntax "$(command)" is not portable. The $() syntax for command substitution is *not* a bashism. It's been a POSIX Shell Command Language construct for at least a decade. http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/xcu

GPU advice for Debian stretch?

2017-04-05 Thread Martin Read
I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch: * The DKMS-support package for the fglrx proprietary driver will not be available for

Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch?

2017-04-05 Thread Martin Read
On 05/04/17 18:25, Joshua Schaeffer wrote: If you are looking for an exact answer of "Card /XYZ/ works in Debian Stretch with package /ABC/" then I don't have an answer for you. Could you provide a little more detail about your requirements, like what you plan to use the card for. Do you do any v

Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly)

2017-04-05 Thread Martin Read
On 05/04/17 16:02, Ric Moore wrote: What blows my mind is why this happens so frequently and pavucontrol is not a "depend" on pulseaudio. Your problem occurs frequently without pavucontrol being automagically installed to use. Glad to be of assistance! Ric pulseaudio currently Suggests: pavucon

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-06 Thread Martin Read
On 06/04/17 10:58, Joe wrote: I understood that an upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie would switch to systemd as init. Even if that could be fixed afterwards, then there will be server downtime and a manual procedure involved which will not be part of the upgrade procedure and therefore will not have

Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly)

2017-04-06 Thread Martin Read
On 06/04/17 07:45, Ric Moore wrote privately to me with a question about how my previous remarks made sense. Here's my public answer. First, the dependency bill could be considerably more than 111kB, because while pavucontrol is itself only 111kB, it also requires the Pango font handling libr

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-06 Thread Martin Read
On 06/04/17 14:03, Carl Fink wrote: Second set of hardware is a false requirement. Go to, say, http://nosupportlinuxhosting.com and rent a VM for $1/month *cough* That site does not offer VM hosting for $1/month. It offers *web* hosting for $1/month. (The sister site offers VPS hosting... for

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-04-08 Thread Martin Read
On 08/04/17 08:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [1] Yeah: a "declarative" configuration, which may be considered as a plus (less obscure side effects) or as a minus (stronger separation between "priests" and "mortals"). If a systemd unit for a particular service needs the attention of an expert

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-14 Thread Martin Read
On 14/04/17 14:17, Nicolas George wrote: Le quintidi 25 germinal, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit : Some day there will be actual end-user-friendly systemd documentation somewhere, consolidating all of these pieces of wisdom together. I hope. Note: systemd is not for end-users, it is for syst

Re: CIFS: Enable encryption for SMB3

2017-04-22 Thread Martin Read
On 22/04/17 12:30, deb...@alpenjodel.de wrote: Hi! is it possible to add these Kernel patches to Debian 8? That depends what you mean by "add these Kernel patches to Debian 8". If you mean "will a Debian package of the kernel, featuring these patches, be released for Debian 8 'jessie'?", the

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Martin Read
On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: Is there a pure Debian alternative? There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install the package "sysvinit-core" to use this as your init daemon), and there are several solutions for service management. (I might humbly sugge

Re: Suggestions AMD or NVidia

2017-07-13 Thread Martin Read
On 13/07/17 04:34, Gary Dale wrote: They didn't drop support for the older cards. The open source drivers work perfectly for them. No, they do not work "perfectly" for the older cards, unless you have extremely undemanding requirements. On my AMD machine with integrated graphics, Europa Unive

Re: funding & viability questions of GPL enforcement.

2017-07-16 Thread Martin Read
On 16/07/17 12:47, Alessandro Vesely wrote: May I ask, in passing, why Debian (for packages like apt, say) as well as Linux did not switch to GPLv3? Would such switch ease enforcement? Switching a project over from GPLv2-only to GPLv3-only or GPLv3-or-later requires either (a) the consent of

Re: funding & viability questions of GPL enforcement.

2017-07-19 Thread Martin Read
On 19/07/17 12:17, Alessandro Vesely wrote: One my wonder why GRSecurity is not (optionally) included in Linux. For a variety of reasons relating to the personalities and opinions of the people who would be involved - on both sides - in making it happen. It should be noted that some people w

Re: Can "PulseAudio Volume Control" devs be redeemed?

2017-07-23 Thread Martin Read
On 22/07/17 13:20, Erik Christiansen wrote: What we need to do is examine whether the Debian 9.0.0 distro-smith last had it shrunken, and it is therefore in that condition in the distro. If we knew what config file contains the menu gumpf, that could perhaps be revealed, and minimise the need for

Re: Can "PulseAudio Volume Control" devs be redeemed?

2017-07-23 Thread Martin Read
On 23/07/17 16:48, Curt wrote: Except that the default 500x400 geometry is the same in Jessie and Wheezy and seems sufficient since nobody appears to be having any problems seeing all 5 tabs but Erik. There seem to be some other changes to the upstream glade file between version 2.0 and versio

Re: Arial vs. Helvetica.

2017-08-03 Thread Martin Read
On 02/08/17 16:34, Joe wrote: Incidentally, serifs were invented to make blocks of text easier to read, so Times or similar would be a better choice for paragraphs, with a sans-serif font more suited to bold headings. Newspaper sites (not surprisingly including The Times) use serif fonts. On a

Re: Big dummy at work again

2016-06-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/06/16 07:12, Gene Heskett wrote: And I have never not seen it. On several different mother boards, and probably 2x the video cards. If there is a difference, I've not a clue. If ncurses programs that other people use without incident are screwing up the contents of your terminals, my fi

Re: Big dummy at work again

2016-06-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/06/16 14:23, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 12 June 2016 06:00:03 Martin Read wrote: If ncurses programs that other people use without incident are screwing up the contents of your terminals, my first port of call would be checking that the value of the TERM environment variable matches

Re: Mailing-list configuration

2016-06-13 Thread Martin Read
On 13/06/16 17:36, Nicolas George wrote: Solution 1: ask every people who reply to A, i.e. people who do not care about the unwanted CCs, to make a (moderate) effort without getting any benefit for themselves. Solution 2: A makes the moderate punctual effort to configure the MUA to set the heade

Re: JACK Audio Connection Kit

2016-11-16 Thread Martin Read
Ric Moore wrote: > Is there some reason removing the libjack-jackd2-0 package removes > everything audio/video and the kitchen sink?? Because: 1) some of the things on that list declare libjack-jackd2-0 as a dependency (probably because they are libraries or programs which are linked against t

Re: JACK Audio Connection Kit

2016-11-22 Thread Martin Read
On 22/11/16 07:06, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/21/2016 11:38 PM, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: apt-rdepends --state-show=Installed --state-follow=Installed PKGNAME It lists just a couple of base packages. So, why would it want to remove half of mmy installed desktop? It's the same with firefox. What

Re: 7->8: inexplicable difficulty discovering available package versions

2017-02-04 Thread Martin Read
On 04/02/17 07:30, David Christensen wrote: On 02/03/17 11:04, Felix Miata wrote: I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to reach Jessie 8.7 from Wheezy. I am of the opinion that attempting an in-place major version upgrade of an operating system or a service is folly. Perhaps - and yet, one of

Re: (d@@g) Bug #849382: apt

2017-02-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/02/17 14:19, Markus wrote: Does anyone know when version 1.1 gets into the stable release (Jessie)? Probably never. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=849382#30 to understand why.

Re: why??why?why??

2017-03-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/03/17 02:09, Shahryar Afifi wrote: why o why... why debian keeps getting fancier like other operating system. Because the upstream developers and maintainers of the software in Debian continue to develop their software. debian is a linux machine, not some toy like apple. A great man

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

2017-03-11 Thread Martin Read
On 11/03/17 08:32, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: Oh, come on! What you call good documentation means writing for a user who has no clue about what the program does. That kind of documentation is *really important*, because that's a big part of how people who don't know how to use the softw

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Read
On 13/03/17 19:30, Patrick Bartek wrote: The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So why at install time, is there no choice for the init system? Looking at the BTS page for package 'debian-installer', nobody seems to have filed a wishlist bug requesting this feature.

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

2017-03-13 Thread Martin Read
On 14/03/17 00:20, Miles Fidelman wrote: Actually, there have been numerous bugs filed against both debian-installer and debootstrap about failures of the --include and --exclude statements --- that directly effect the ability to specify sysvinit instead of systemd. I don't recall seeing close m

Re: scanner not recognized

2015-08-01 Thread Martin Read
On 01/08/15 16:26, Frank McCormick wrote: It's been a while since I used the Canon LIDE 20 scanner attached to my Debian Sid system. Today I found out it's not being recognized. LSUSB doesn't find it on the scan of USB ports. Have you checked that the cable is good? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: Acceptable use of Debian products

2015-08-13 Thread Martin Read
On 13/08/15 07:29, Rohnan Donohue wrote: My name is Rohnan, and I am a secondary student in Victoria, Australia. I am writting to you to please ask for express permission to host Debian products on a website I am currently producing in one of my classes. This website will host only 'freeware' c

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Martin Read
On 12/08/15 18:23, Brian wrote: On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote: I suffer from them, I haven't had a tv since 1971, and they can't let go, Unless you have typed and sent your mail from a friend's computer, you do. Conveniently, what the law requires people to purchas

Re: pptp-based vpn

2015-08-14 Thread Martin Read
On 14/08/15 23:03, Brian wrote: On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 09:08:30 +0100, Martin Read wrote: And yes, the law does distinguish between broadcast programmes and live internet streaming (e.g. the BBC's live coverage of the World Snooker No it doesn't. Watching BBC News being streamed

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-20 Thread Martin Read
On 20/08/15 06:59, Bonno Bloksma wrote: If you are talking about console use, indeed I would not know why I would want / need it there. Because you might be using your terminal to edit an input file for a document processing system which contains the character, or to create new files that co

Re: laptop protection in an office network

2015-08-30 Thread Martin Read
On 30/08/15 03:20, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Back in the 1960's and 1970's, manufacturers such as Honeywell and Cherry made keyswitches with a life rating in the tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of keystrokes. Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical keyswi

Re: quality keyboards

2015-08-31 Thread Martin Read
On 31/08/15 08:09, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: How much do those things cost? Now that a keyboard can be had for $10 or $15, is it better to pay $150 or even $250 for a quality keyboard, or replace a $15 keyboard every year or even every six months? Well, I'm typing this on a Das Keyboard (Cher

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages to the terminal upon login

2015-09-01 Thread Martin Read
On 01/09/15 04:07, The Wanderer wrote: I believe that's roughly how it works, yes - and I believe rsyslog is intentionally set up that way, so that various system messages which would appear in the active console if the journal were not present will still appear there. It's just that now there ar

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-03 Thread Martin Read
On 03/09/15 22:06, Stuart Longland wrote: I'll bite, why an nVidia graphic card? I have a couple, but the Intel GPU in this laptop would run rings around most of them. Surely it only matters that it implements ${OPENGL_FEATURES} to a sufficient standard to run the application. OpenGL's archit

Re: who/w/finger/last printing ip address

2015-09-05 Thread Martin Read
On 05/09/15 23:21, Michael Grant wrote: I have to say in some ways this seems like a feature not a bug! I've long missed the option some other unixes have to inhibit resolving the name. But at the moment the hostname! Frankly, there should be an option to w, who, finger, and last to not resolv

Re: Okay, that's too much now!

2015-09-06 Thread Martin Read
On 06/09/15 16:11, Doug wrote: Perhaps BCD can read a DOS file. It's the _other_ way I'm thinking of. I want to be able to access BCD from Linux or Windows, and vice-versa-- access Linux and/or Windows from BCD. Anybody know if this is possible, and if so, how? Read/write support for UFS has b

Re: Re; Okay, that's too much now!

2015-09-07 Thread Martin Read
On 07/09/15 08:29, Andrew McGlashan wrote: I still tend that there should be a desktop version that may or may not optionally have systemd and a server version that definitely does not have systemd. It is, to me, nonsensical to suggest that systemd has no utility in a server context. I mean, t

Re: BIOS size limit for USB flash drives

2015-09-08 Thread Martin Read
On 08/09/15 14:09, Darac Marjal wrote: Just as a point of interest, I understand that most BIOS limits are limits in the ATA command set (that is, PATA and SATA drives experience these issues). Looking at http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/2tib-disc-limit.html I see tha

Re: Re : adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

2015-09-08 Thread Martin Read
On 06/09/15 22:16, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Installing 'flashplayer-mozilla' that is in Debian main will solve the flash problem. This statement is factually incorrect, as no package of that name exists in jessie main. A package of that name *does* exist in the deb-multimedia repositories.

Re: bluetooth issue

2015-09-09 Thread Martin Read
On 09/09/15 09:07, Himanshu Shekhar wrote: I have a dell inspiron 15 laptop with intel core i5 5200U and Broadcom hardware. On booting, debian jessie runs fsck and then says some firmware brcm*** failed to load. Also, the bluetooth isnot working. Anybody could please fix this? You probably need

Re: bluetooth issue

2015-09-09 Thread Martin Read
On 09/09/15 12:43, Himanshu Shekhar wrote: I am a bit novice. I have attached the result of lspci. Can you please suggest the package name? Thanks in anticipation. You have a Broadcom BCM43142 device. Please see https://wiki.debian.org/wl for information on how to install the appropriate soft

Re: xorg-server not exists in my stretch

2015-09-16 Thread Martin Read
On 16/09/15 12:10, mudongliang wrote: mdl@NjuMdl:~$ sudo apt-get install xorg-server Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package xorg-server The package you are looking for is "xserver-xorg", not "

Re: Coder friendly font

2015-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/15 19:18, Felix Miata wrote: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html and http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-comps-linuxmono.html provide ways to compare some common monospace fonts. Only if you have the fonts already installed, which isn't helpful if you're trying to d

Re: Deleting i386 packages

2015-09-22 Thread Martin Read
On 22/09/15 13:38, Reco wrote: 1) Users of non-free software (especially users of non-free wine-embedded software) should suffer anyway. It speaks ill of you that you cite this as a reason for not offering cautionary advice to users of proprietary software. If such people *do* in fact deserv

Re: Deleting i386 packages

2015-09-27 Thread Martin Read
On 27/09/15 08:06, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: Like any other job the programmers need money and software authors are not obligated to publish their work to be available to all humanity(or at-least these parts of humanity that are connected to the WWW). The above is something I think is right and it

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

2015-10-28 Thread Martin Read
On 28/10/15 11:14, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 28 October 2015 01:03:20 Doug wrote: it is now a system which even grandmothers are using. Hey!! Ada Lovelace was a grandmother. Not while she was alive; sadly, she died before any of her children had children of their own.

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Martin Read
On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the install? Only if you accept austere minimalism as axiomatically good.

Re: i3 Window manager without any other desktop environment

2015-11-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/11/15 20:19, Dwijesh Gajadur wrote: When I type 'startx' it says 'command not found' Install the 'xorg' package.

Re: apt-get: why massive upgrade despite pinning everything to stable?

2015-11-20 Thread Martin Read
On 20/11/15 15:07, Kynn Jones wrote: Also, I set the contents of my `/etc/apt/preferences` file to this (the file was empty before): Package: * Pin: release a=stable Looking at the Debian wiki's page on APT preferences[1] and comparing to your file, I notice that you haven't speci

Re: Disable Ctrl-Alt-Del in Jessie

2015-11-30 Thread Martin Read
On 30/11/15 00:05, Bit Head wrote: In Jessie, this is proving to be more challenging as there is no inittab file to edit, and while I could create one, it would only contain commented lines, having a null effect. It seems that in prior releases, one had to explicitly say what to do in order for

Re: Trying to remove "architecture i386"

2015-12-01 Thread Martin Read
On 01/12/15 08:47, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Do you still have any i386 packages installed? I think running dpkg -l "*:i386" should list them (I don't use multiarch myself, but it works for the native architecture and "*:all"). I can confirm on my multiarch system that the command you sugges

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Martin Read
On 02/12/15 03:07, James P. Wallen wrote: Thanks for your response, Sven. It's nice to know that someone else has seen this type of problem. I was thinking that this could be self-inflicted. Perhaps that's a little less likely now. So, is this behavior controlled by systemd? I'm not trying to s

Re: My web site is back

2015-12-08 Thread Martin Read
On 08/12/15 16:58, Darac Marjal wrote: On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:15:50AM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote: If you have bookmarks set for the old site you should update your bookmarks. Some pages from the old site are not on the new site because I judged them to be obsolete. To which, the venerable

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/12/14 22:42, Joe wrote: Unix gained a lot by being networked and multi-user right from the start. Multi-user, yes. Networked? Nope - and if you look closely, it shows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact lis

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-11 Thread Martin Read
On 11/12/14 07:34, B. M. wrote: Le 11 déc. 2014 à 05:10, The Wanderer a écrit : I understood him as asking why freeze testing with a version which excludes the latest bug fixes, when a newer version which includes them is available. This is not the same as asking why freeze testing with a versi

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-11 Thread Martin Read
On 11/12/14 17:21, Richard Owlett wrote: There is a market (how large???) for a single user single task computer and OS. It's very large indeed! Apple, and the various customers (e.g. Samsung, LG, HTC) of Google and Microsoft, are quite enthusiastic about selling devices that (superficially)

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/12/14 11:41, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: The app store concept exists in Debian since ages! Not really. Notably, there is neither a billing framework, nor a place to put one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tro

Re: rezound, twinkle in jessie ?

2014-12-22 Thread Martin Read
On 22/12/14 12:31, Gerard ROBIN wrote: Hello, I installed jessie on a external hard drives, (usb) I use rezound and twinkle which are in squeeze only. They work fine in jessie but the command "apt-get dist-upgade" propose to me to remove five packages and among them rezound and twinkle. My questi

Re: Been out of it, when will there be a new `testing'

2015-01-08 Thread Martin Read
On 08/01/15 12:04, Harry Putnam wrote: I've been dinking with gentoo and not paying attention here. I see no upgrades and we are in a freeze with jessie I guess. Can anyone hazard a guess when there will be a new `testing'? My handwave guess would be late April / early May, on a basis of "I

Re: Have I been hacked?

2015-01-10 Thread Martin Read
On 09/01/15 16:43, Jerry Stuckle wrote: If you don't follow good security practices, it's your own fault if you get hacked. No. It is always the hacker's fault. It may be your partial responsibility, however. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: _COMPLETE_ instructions for debootstrap &/or multistrap

2015-01-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/01/15 15:55, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 10 January 2015 15:25:02 Joel Rees wrote: stupid questions It has been said that there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. The only stupid questions are rhetorical questions whose accurate answers are inconvenient to the questioner,

Re: incomplete update(?) trashed my system

2015-02-08 Thread Martin Read
On 08/02/15 02:42, Charles Blair wrote: Filesystem 1K-blocksUsed Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 330215 239888 73278 77% / Ah. Yes, you haven't got enough room left on your root file system to unpack a new kernel package. (Debian kernel packages are currently

Re: A big "Thank You" to Debian :-)

2015-02-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/02/15 07:29, Andrew McGlashan wrote: What I want from a DPL (another thread), is a DPL that will remove systemd (for starters), particularly as a system default. The DPL has no authority within the Debian project to unilaterally do that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@l

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-19 Thread Martin Read
On 17/02/15 17:34, Tanstaafl wrote: Honest question... What exactly is libsystemd0? It's a shared library maintained by the systemd maintainers. It provides a variety of (mostly fairly simple) utility functions such as: sd_notify (etc.) - Notify service manager about start-up completion and

Re: A suggestion for a new programme in Debian 8?

2015-03-05 Thread Martin Read
On 05/03/15 20:36, ludo0...@dbmail.com wrote: Could I allow myself to express a wish for the next version of Debian: it would be to have the DVD authoring programme "bombono" (see http://www.bombono.org) on the distribution. No new software will be added to Debian 8 at this point; it has been i

Re: usermod and systemd

2015-03-11 Thread Martin Read
On 11/03/15 02:49, Roberto De Oliveira wrote: I have a weird behavior on my system, I'm trying to change a home directory with "usermod -d newhome foo" but the system denies because "usermod: user foo is currently used by process ", when I look for PID I see "/lib/systemd/systemd --user"

Re: Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

2015-03-19 Thread Martin Read
On 19/03/15 09:36, Darac Marjal wrote: On the plus side, though, out of 16 mails sent to you by the debian mailinglist server, only one has bounced. So either the problem has just started, or you've had a glitch. You should get more messages if the bounces continue, otherwise, assume the problem

Making initramfs agree with rootfs about time zone

2015-03-31 Thread Martin Read
I have a dual-boot Win7/Debian jessie system. Because Windows doesn't deal gracefully with handling the hardware time-of-day clock the proper way (hwclock set to GMT, all TZ handling in software), this means that the hwclock changes for daylight savings time. The Debian installation itself cop

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