Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
Okay. In thinking about this further, I remembered that, due to the malicious nature of MS Win8, it is installed with the nasty UEFI->Secure Boot mode, which maliciously disables the installation of any additional operating systems. And, I remember that the only way to amend that, to enable addit

Re: iceweasal vs long urls. Long url wins, iceweasal doesn't

2015-03-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2015-03-10 13:36 +0100, Gene Heskett wrote: > Using a distro based on wheezy, configured with a real time kernel, but > Over on another list, I've a guy using dropbox to post some .png images > of a circuit board he has designed. > > Unfortunately I cannot see those images because dropbox is

Re: Iceape

2015-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 11 March 2015 15:21:58 Bret Busby wrote: > On 11/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: > > Is iceape gone in Jessie? > > > > I am still using it regularly in Wheezy and it still shows up in > > apt-cache search iceape when run from Wheezy but is missing when I run > > the search from Jessi

Re: Iceape

2015-03-12 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 03:56:27PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 11 March 2015 15:21:58 Bret Busby wrote: > > On 11/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: > > > Is iceape gone in Jessie? > > > > > > I am still using it regularly in Wheezy and it still shows up in > > > apt-cache search iceape

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Rusi Mody
On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:40:06 PM UTC+5:30, Bret Busby wrote: > Okay. > > In thinking about this further, I remembered that, due to the > malicious nature of MS Win8, it is installed with the nasty > UEFI->Secure Boot mode, which maliciously disables the installation of > any additional o

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 03:00:56PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Okay. > > In thinking about this further, I remembered that, due to the > malicious nature of MS Win8, it is installed with the nasty > UEFI->Secure Boot mode, which maliciously disables the installation of > any additional operating sy

Re: Jessie sufficiently stable for general use?

2015-03-12 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-03-10, Ric Moore wrote: > On 03/10/2015 04:53 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Tuesday 10 March 2015 03:53:29 Sivaram Neelakantan wrote: >>> all I want is the One True Directive(TM) >> >> Ubuntu?? ;-) >> >> Sorry, Sivaram. But this is Debian. People don't usually use Debian >> if they want th

Re: How to boot with the "irqpoll" option?

2015-03-12 Thread Brian
On Tue 10 Mar 2015 at 12:37:48 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Darac Marjal (mailingl...@darac.org.uk): > > On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 07:49:04PM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote: > > > 3rd option. > > > Do the addition to the linux (ie kernel) line of /boot/grub/grub.cfg > > > > > > Yeah the file says d

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 11 March 2015 15:46:55 David Wright wrote: > Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): > > I have now found that, against my wishes, the Linux installations were > > done as "legacy BIOS" installations, instead of UEFI/GPT > > installations, so I now have a system that (after repairin

Re: Jessie sufficiently stable for general use?

2015-03-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote: > But what do we think about this as a procedure? [1] > > apt-get update > apt-get -y upgrade > aptitude -y upgrade > apt-get -y dist-upgrade > aptitude -y dist-upgrade > apt-get -y autoremove I first see that and it shocks me somewhat. I didn't understand why there woul

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Christian Seiler
On 03/12/2015 05:13 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: I suppose someone could make an argument that including a verbose flag or something might be useful, This is on systemd's TODO list btw.: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/TODO - Add a verbose mode to "systemctl start" and friends t

Re: Iceape

2015-03-12 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 03/11/2015 04:14 PM, Thomas H. George wrote: > Is iceape gone in Jessie? It got removed from everywhere some time ago due to no longer being security-supported. See the last four news entries on https://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceape.html. > I am still using it regularly in Wheezy and it

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/03/2015, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): > >> I have now found that, against my wishes, the Linux installations were >> done as "legacy BIOS" installations, instead of UEFI/GPT >> installations, so I now have a system that (after repairing the nasty >> PC-BSD

Debian 7 and screensavers

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. On my Debian 7.8 system, both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver, are shown as being installed, and, now, to try to get a screensaver to work, I have downloaded hundreds of MB of extra stuff, to try to find a screensaver that works on Debian 7, so I also, now, apparently, have the kscreensa

Re: Installing Jessie on a computer that current has Windows 7 on it

2015-03-12 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20150311_0406+, Dan Purgert wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:00:13 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > On 20150310_1410+, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 22:07:17 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> > >> [ ... snip ... ] > > suggestion of running CHKDSK wasn't tried in the manner

Re: Debian 7 and screensavers

2015-03-12 Thread Linux-Fan
On 03/12/2015 10:33 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > On my Debian 7.8 system, both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver, are > shown as being installed, and, now, to try to get a screensaver to > work, I have downloaded hundreds of MB of extra stuff, to try to find > a screensaver that works on De

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Curt
On 2015-03-11, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >> or, otherwise, interface with >> the UEFI/GPT system, so that the bootloader, GRUB 2, can find the MS >> Win8 installation within the UEFI system? > > Probably not. At least not the Windows boot manager, which expects to be > loaded from UEFI. > So he ca

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:44:23AM -0300, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > On 12 March 2015 at 01:13, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2015, The Wanderer wrote: > > > Running those commands doesn't give you output from 'systemctl stop > > > foo' or the like, however. > > > > > I thought the OP

Re: Debian 7 and screensavers

2015-03-12 Thread Petter Adsen
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:44:20 +0100 Linux-Fan wrote: > On 03/12/2015 10:33 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > > Hello. > > > > On my Debian 7.8 system, both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver, > > are shown as being installed, and, now, to try to get a screensaver > > to work, I have downloaded hundreds of

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* Liam O'Toole [2015-03-11 20:44 +]: > On 2015-03-11, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] > > According to shutdown(8) > > > > ... > >-f Skip fsck on reboot. > > > >-F Force fsck on reboot. > > ... > > > > Elimar > > Those options are indeed available in the case of the

Re: Debian 7 and screensavers

2015-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 12 March 2015 09:33:28 Bret Busby wrote: > On my Debian 7.8 system, both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver, are > shown as being installed, and, now, to try to get a screensaver to > work, I have downloaded hundreds of MB of extra stuff, to try to find > a screensaver that works on Deb

Re: Debian 7 and screensavers

2015-03-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-03-12 10:44:20 +0100, Linux-Fan wrote: > On 03/12/2015 10:33 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > > Does Debian 7 allow screensavers, that lock a screen, and require > > logging in, either when the system has no external input for a defined > > period of time, or, when a person manually invokes the "Loc

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-03-12 02:57:14 -0300, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > By not "polluting" the Linux boot with "starting this [OK]", "starting > that [OK]" The Debian boot is now more "clear" with systemd, then, That's a matter of choice. Personally, I prefer a verbose boot. > if I need a feedback, I can ask

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-03-12 09:39:14 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:44:23AM -0300, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > > Nevertheless, I think that it is weird that systemd is very different > > from what I've experienced in the past 20 years. For example, why the > > service's configuration f

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-03-11 21:13:47 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > systemctl start foo && systemctl is-active foo; [...] > No. Really, all systemctl start/stop do is tell systemd to actually > stop or start the service, and optionally block until the action is > completed. And according to the systemctl(1) man

Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Why hasn't there been a security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3, making users vulnerable to POODLE when they use a client supporting SSLv3? According to various articles found via a Google search[*], it is strongly advised to disable SSLv3. Does Debian think differently? [*] in particular: ht

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread David Guyot
Hello. That's a good question you're asking here. I, too, think that an Apache update should correct this default parameter. Nevertheless, it's probably because it's just an Apache parameter, not an Apache fault as such, that this default config have not been changed; I would say this is not a pri

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Matthew Chong
mod_openssl for Apache is the offending package. On Thursday, March 12, 2015, David Guyot < david.gu...@europecamions-interactive.com> wrote: > Hello. > > That's a good question you're asking here. I, too, think that an Apache > update should correct this default parameter. Nevertheless, it's > p

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 March 2015 08:44:40 David Guyot wrote: > Hello. > > That's a good question you're asking here. I, too, think that an > Apache update should correct this default parameter. Nevertheless, > it's probably because it's just an Apache parameter, not an Apache > fault as such, that this de

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Jape Person
On 03/12/2015 06:00 AM, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * Liam O'Toole [2015-03-11 20:44 +]: On 2015-03-11, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] According to shutdown(8) ... -f Skip fsck on reboot. -F Force fsck on reboot. ... Elimar Those options are indeed available

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Jochen Spieker
Vincent Lefevre: > > Why hasn't there been a security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3, > making users vulnerable to POODLE when they use a client supporting > SSLv3? I think that is a difficult thing to do. We are talking about an unsafe default configuration which may have been changed by the

The latest sid update couldn't bring my networking bridge config up.

2015-03-12 Thread Armnotstrong
What have you done? Has systemd do evil again? Mar 12 21:27:37 ximing networking[3871]: Deconfiguring network interfaces...done. Mar 12 21:27:37 ximing networking[3890]: Configuring network interfaces...open: No such file or directory Mar 12 21:27:37 ximing networking[3890]: Failed to bring up br0

Re: Debian 7 and screensavers

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/03/2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 12 March 2015 09:33:28 Bret Busby wrote: >> On my Debian 7.8 system, both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver, are >> shown as being installed, and, now, to try to get a screensaver to >> work, I have downloaded hundreds of MB of extra stuff, to try to

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/03/2015, Curt wrote: > On 2015-03-11, Pascal Hambourg wrote: >> >>> or, otherwise, interface with >>> the UEFI/GPT system, so that the bootloader, GRUB 2, can find the MS >>> Win8 installation within the UEFI system? >> >> Probably not. At least not the Windows boot manager, which expects t

Re: Debian 7 and screensavers

2015-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 12 March 2015 14:04:30 Bret Busby wrote: > On 12/03/2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 12 March 2015 09:33:28 Bret Busby wrote: > >> On my Debian 7.8 system, both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver, are > >> shown as being installed, and, now, to try to get a screensaver to > >> w

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 09:07:12AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 12 March 2015 08:44:40 David Guyot wrote: > > Hello. > > > > That's a good question you're asking here. I, too, think that an > > Apache update should correct this default parameter. Nevertheless, > > it's probably because

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Christian Seiler
Am 2015-03-12 15:45, schrieb Darac Marjal: Perhaps people just need to be made more aware of robust SSL settings for apache: https://cipherli.st/ I would also like to link to: https://bettercrypto.org/ (PDF linked in the right sidebar) Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ..

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 March 2015 10:45:59 Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 09:07:12AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > > > > Considering that I _am_ running an apache server here, AND it faces > > the world, this lack of a fix for POODLE, seems to be a serious lack > > on the part of the ap

Best replacement for iceape?

2015-03-12 Thread Thomas H. George
Ok, iceape must go. What next? My installed iceape has an extensive list of email addresses some of which include complete snailmail addresses. What email clients can accept/assist transfer of all this information? Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a s

Re: Xfce Not Closing

2015-03-12 Thread Stephen R Guglielmo
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 15:11:59 +1100 David wrote: > On 9 March 2015 at 01:32, Stephen R Guglielmo > wrote: > > > > I'm running Xfce 4.10 on Jessie. After booting, I log into the > > console with my user account, start my network interface, then run > > "startx" to run Xfce. When I select the "Logout

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Curt
On 2015-03-12, Bret Busby wrote: > > I can "dual boot", within the Legacy BIOS system; I can select either > Debian Linux 7, or, Ubuntu Linux 14.04, into which, to boot, from the > Legacy BIOS GRUB menu. Well, I meant boot the Windows 8. I should've said triple boot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Jape Person (jap...@comcast.net): > On 03/12/2015 06:00 AM, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > >* Liam O'Toole [2015-03-11 20:44 +]: > > > >>On 2015-03-11, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > >[...] > >>>According to shutdown(8) > >>> > >>>... > >>>-f Skip fsck on reboot. > >>> > >>>

plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread Mike Kupfer
The other night I plugged a thumb drive into a Belkin 4-port USB hub. This had the side effect of disconnecting an Iomega USB drive that was plugged into the same hub. I have since been unable to reproduce the problem, but I'm concerned about the possibility of data loss when a drive gets disconne

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-03-12 14:55:46 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Vincent Lefevre: > > Why hasn't there been a security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3, > > making users vulnerable to POODLE when they use a client supporting > > SSLv3? > > I think that is a difficult thing to do. We are talking about an un

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread Curt
On 2015-03-12, Mike Kupfer wrote: > The other night I plugged a thumb drive into a Belkin 4-port USB hub. > This had the side effect of disconnecting an Iomega USB drive that was > plugged into the same hub. > > I have since been unable to reproduce the problem, but I'm concerned > about the possi

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Martinx - ジェームズ (thiagocmarti...@gmail.com): > On 12 March 2015 at 01:13, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2015, The Wanderer wrote: > >> Running those commands doesn't give you output from 'systemctl stop > >> foo' or the like, however. [...] > > I suppose someone could make an arg

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): > The Setup Utility displays, in the Title Bar, "InsydeH20 Setup > Utility Rev. 3.7". > > The solution, at this stage, appears to be to use the Setup, to > change between UEFI and Legacy BIOS boot modes, thence to select which > operating system, I want

Wifi Problem

2015-03-12 Thread Gajadur Dwijesh
Hello..i have Debian wheezy 7.8 KDE installed on my laptop..i am not able to get wifi connection..can someone help please? Thank you

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread Mike Kupfer
Curt wrote: > On 2015-03-12, Mike Kupfer wrote: > > The other night I plugged a thumb drive into a Belkin 4-port USB hub. > > This had the side effect of disconnecting an Iomega USB drive that was > > plugged into the same hub. > > > > I have since been unable to reproduce the problem, but I'm co

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Gajadur Dwijesh
Hi. I got the same problem.. I followed this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlOd-a2wG0 and it worked..i could dual boot windows 8.1 with Debian on UEFI mode On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:21 PM, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): > > The Setup Utility displays,

Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI

2015-03-12 Thread ken
On 03/11/2015 10:07 PM, Tazman DeVille wrote: On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 04:34:51PM -0700, Glenn English wrote: On Mar 4, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote: I would like to upgrade to Gnome so my desktop looks/feels a bit nicer and gain a few extra features I'm missing in LXDE. Howeve

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Jape Person
On 03/12/2015 12:04 PM, David Wright wrote: Quoting Jape Person (jap...@comcast.net): On 03/12/2015 06:00 AM, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * Liam O'Toole [2015-03-11 20:44 +]: On 2015-03-11, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] According to shutdown(8) ... -f Skip fsck on reboot.

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* David Wright [2015-03-12 11:04 -0500]: > Quoting Jape Person (jap...@comcast.net): [...] > > Hi, Elimar. > > > > So, are you suggesting that this shutdown function (-F, for forcing > > fsck at boot) is available with the shutdown command if I switch > > from systemd-sysv to sysvinit, or that

Re: network newbie seeks assistance debugging iptables for VPN tunnel

2015-03-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Tom Roche wrote: > 1. Several years ago (when I was first struggling with getting the > F5NAP to work directly[6]), I tried to find a headless alternative > (e.g., something like a NetworkManager plugin), but was told by F5 > that there was no such client for linux (at least, with the > make/model

Re: The latest sid update couldn't bring my networking bridge config up.

2015-03-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2015-03-12 15:02 +0100, Armnotstrong wrote: > What have you done? Has systemd do evil again? Contrary to popular believe, systemd is not responsible for all evils in the world. > Mar 12 21:27:37 ximing networking[3871]: Deconfiguring network > interfaces...done. > Mar 12 21:27:37 ximing netwo

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread Curt
On 2015-03-12, Mike Kupfer wrote: >> >> Is that Iomega USB drive healthy? > > I haven't noticed any other issues with it, and I do scan > /var/log/syslog for warning and error messages. That said, the drive > *is* 5 years old, and I'd been planning to replace it this year just > based on its ag

Re: svn, subversion, repos

2015-03-12 Thread Bob Proulx
pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.reposadmin.create.html has > > $ # Create a repository > $ svnadmin create /var/svn/repos > $ > > In wheezy this fails of course. Is /var writeable by users in > any widely used Linux? That is simply an example. If you use the

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Jape Person
On 03/12/2015 02:06 PM, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * David Wright [2015-03-12 11:04 -0500]: Quoting Jape Person (jap...@comcast.net): [...] Hi, Elimar. So, are you suggesting that this shutdown function (-F, for forcing fsck at boot) is available with the shutdown command if I switch from

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Jape Person
On 03/12/2015 12:51 PM, David Wright wrote: If I don't have "quiet" in the kernel parameters line, I get something that looks like dmesg on steroids, and it's impossible to tell what's going on at all. OTOH with it, and I'm lucky to get anything at all. I just sit and wait for a "clear-screen" (w

Re: Debian 7 and screensavers

2015-03-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Vincent Lefevre wrote: > xscreensaver is not safe: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403557 > > (concerning the "when the system has no external input for a > defined period of time"). I read through that bug log and I don't see why you say it is not safe as a general state

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Jochen Spieker wrote: > > Vincent Lefevre: > > > Why hasn't there been a security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3, > > > making users vulnerable to POODLE when they use a client supporting > > > SSLv3? > > > > I think that is a difficult thing to do. We are talking abou

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Curt (cu...@free.fr): > On 2015-03-12, Mike Kupfer wrote: > >> > >> Is that Iomega USB drive healthy? Do you mean "was it healthy before this incident" or are you expressing concern for its health since being disconnected. Yes, I'd certainly think the latter, and fsck/chkdsk it. > > I

Re: Best replacement for iceape?

2015-03-12 Thread Ric Moore
On 03/12/2015 11:28 AM, Thomas H. George wrote: Ok, iceape must go. What next? My installed iceape has an extensive list of email addresses some of which include complete snailmail addresses. What email clients can accept/assist transfer of all this information? You could just install Seamonk

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/03/2015, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): >> The Setup Utility displays, in the Title Bar, "InsydeH20 Setup >> Utility Rev. 3.7". >> >> The solution, at this stage, appears to be to use the Setup, to >> change between UEFI and Legacy BIOS boot modes, thence

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Brian
On Thu 12 Mar 2015 at 11:01:00 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 12 March 2015 10:45:59 Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 09:07:12AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > [...] > > > > > > Considering that I _am_ running an apache server here, AND it faces > > > the world, this lack of

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread Curt
On 2015-03-12, David Wright wrote: >> >> >> >> Is that Iomega USB drive healthy? > > Do you mean "was it healthy before this incident" > or are you expressing concern for its health since > being disconnected. I meant the former, though I'm sure you know more about everything than I do. > Yes,

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Curt
On 2015-03-12, Brian wrote: > > Alternatively, (and this is far more likely), it looks like a fairly > serious bit of cocking up on the part of whoever administers your > machines. You should have words with them about keeping on top of > security issues. > > Strong language maybe, but it needs to

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/03/2015, Bret Busby wrote: > Okay. > > In thinking about this further, I remembered that, due to the > malicious nature of MS Win8, it is installed with the nasty > UEFI->Secure Boot mode, which maliciously disables the installation of > any additional operating systems. > > And, I remember

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 13 Mar 2015 at 03:10:58 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Does Debian Linux 7 support UEFI "Secure boot"? The relevant threads are somewhat fragmented but a search with "Plan of action for Secure Boot support" gives you all you want and more. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lis

Re: Best replacement for iceape?

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: > Ok, iceape must go. What next? > > My installed iceape has an extensive list of email addresses some of > which include complete snailmail addresses. What email clients can > accept/assist transfer of all this information? > > Tom > The replacement for ic

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Curt (cu...@free.fr): > On 2015-03-12, David Wright wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Is that Iomega USB drive healthy? > > > > Do you mean "was it healthy before this incident" > > or are you expressing concern for its health since > > being disconnected. > > I meant the former, though I'm sure y

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Brian
On Thu 12 Mar 2015 at 19:23:33 +, Curt wrote: > On 2015-03-12, Brian wrote: > > > > Alternatively, (and this is far more likely), it looks like a fairly > > serious bit of cocking up on the part of whoever administers your > > machines. You should have words with them about keeping on top of

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-03-12, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > * Liam O'Toole [2015-03-11 20:44 +]: > >> On 2015-03-11, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > [...] >> > According to shutdown(8) >> > >> > ... >> >-f Skip fsck on reboot. >> > >> >-F Force fsck on reboot. >> > ... >> > >> > Elimar >>

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread Mike Kupfer
Curt wrote: > On 2015-03-12, David Wright wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Is that Iomega USB drive healthy? > > > > Do you mean "was it healthy before this incident" > > or are you expressing concern for its health since > > being disconnected. > > I meant the former, though I'm sure you know more abou

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread Joe
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:04:51 -0700 Mike Kupfer wrote: > The other night I plugged a thumb drive into a Belkin 4-port USB hub. > This had the side effect of disconnecting an Iomega USB drive that was > plugged into the same hub. > > I have since been unable to reproduce the problem, but I'm conce

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-03-12, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On 2015-03-12, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: >> * Liam O'Toole [2015-03-11 20:44 +]: >> >>> On 2015-03-11, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: >> [...] >>> > According to shutdown(8) >>> > >>> > ... >>> >-f Skip fsck on reboot. >>> > >>> >-F Fo

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread Mike Kupfer
David Wright wrote: > Could it be nothing more than a dicky plug contact? > I don't use automount so I'd rattle the connectors around and see if I > got lots of connect/disconnect messages. If it's a powered hub running > off a wall-wart, it might be the power rather than the data cable. The conn

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* Liam O'Toole [2015-03-12 19:41 +]: > On 2015-03-12, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] > > I am running sid / sysvinit here. > > > > $ dpkg -l | grep systemd > > ii libsystemd0:amd64 > > > > Elimar > > Running jessie here, with systemd 215-12. At the time of writing that's > also the versio

Re: plugged in thumb drive, which disconnected another USB drive

2015-03-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Mike Kupfer (m.kup...@acm.org): > It's a journaled (ext3) filesystem, so when I next mounted it, it just > recovered the journal. e2fsck give me > smartctl --health reports no problems. Though I don't know the smartmon > tools well; if there's some other check that makes sense to run, I'

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 March 2015 10:45:59 Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 09:07:12AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 12 March 2015 08:44:40 David Guyot wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > That's a good question you're asking here. I, too, think that an > > > Apache update should corre

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Curt a écrit : > On 2015-03-11, Pascal Hambourg wrote: >>> or, otherwise, interface with >>> the UEFI/GPT system, so that the bootloader, GRUB 2, can find the MS >>> Win8 installation within the UEFI system? >> Probably not. At least not the Windows boot manager, which expects to be >> loaded from

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): > I note that, after visiting the web page at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface > to which I have been referred, in another message posted in this > thread, I found > "while Insyde Software offers InsydeH2O, its own impl

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 March 2015 15:15:31 Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Mar 2015 at 11:01:00 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 12 March 2015 10:45:59 Darac Marjal wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 09:07:12AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > Considering that I _am_ running an apa

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 March 2015 15:23:33 Curt wrote: > On 2015-03-12, Brian wrote: > > Alternatively, (and this is far more likely), it looks like a fairly > > serious bit of cocking up on the part of whoever administers your > > machines. You should have words with them about keeping on top of > > se

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 March 2015 15:41:31 Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Mar 2015 at 19:23:33 +, Curt wrote: > > On 2015-03-12, Brian wrote: > > > Alternatively, (and this is far more likely), it looks like a > > > fairly serious bit of cocking up on the part of whoever > > > administers your machines. Y

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread David Wright
Quoting Gajadur Dwijesh (dwije...@gmail.com): > Hi. > I got the same problem.. > I followed this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlOd-a2wG0  > and it worked..i could dual boot windows 8.1 with Debian on UEFI mode  Interesting. I played this through and at 506 seconds, I saw my first EFI scr

Re: Best replacement for iceape?

2015-03-12 Thread Thomas H. George
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 03:01:12PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On 03/12/2015 11:28 AM, Thomas H. George wrote: > >Ok, iceape must go. What next? > > > >My installed iceape has an extensive list of email addresses some of > >which include complete snailmail addresses. What email clients can > >accept

Re: Best replacement for iceape?

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 03:01:12PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: >> On 03/12/2015 11:28 AM, Thomas H. George wrote: >> >Ok, iceape must go. What next? >> > >> >My installed iceape has an extensive list of email addresses some of >> >which include complete snailma

Re: Best replacement for iceape?

2015-03-12 Thread Thomas H. George
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 03:39:44AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 12/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: > > Ok, iceape must go. What next? > > > > My installed iceape has an extensive list of email addresses some of > > which include complete snailmail addresses. What email clients can > > accept/as

Re: Best replacement for iceape?

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 03:39:44AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 12/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: >> > Ok, iceape must go. What next? >> > >> > My installed iceape has an extensive list of email addresses some of >> > which include complete snailmail a

Re: Best replacement for iceape?

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/03/2015, Bret Busby wrote: > On 13/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 03:39:44AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >>> On 12/03/2015, Thomas H. George wrote: >>> > Ok, iceape must go. What next? >>> > >>> > My installed iceape has an extensive list of email addresses some o

Re: Debian 7 and UEFI/GPT

2015-03-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/03/2015, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Gajadur Dwijesh (dwije...@gmail.com): >> Hi. >> I got the same problem.. >> I followed this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlOd-a2wG0 >> and it worked..i could dual boot windows 8.1 with Debian on UEFI mode > > Interesting. I played this through

Could do with some help - Wheezy, Kernel updated, now cannot boot

2015-03-12 Thread Ron Leach
List, good evening, Been adding some security upgrades on a Wheezy server, these included upgrading the kernel to the latest - I cannot be precise but I think it changed from --u5 to --u7. It's pae 386. 3.65, I think, but that's from memory. I can't check any of this because I cannot boot

Re: Installing Jessie on a computer that current has Windows 7 on it - Progress! & Questions?

2015-03-12 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20150311_1304-0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On 20150311_0406+, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:00:13 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > > > On 20150310_1410+, Dan Purgert wrote: > > >> On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 22:07:17 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > >> > > >> [ ... snip ... ] >

Re: How can I force a full fsck on a remote system at next reboot?

2015-03-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 2015-03-11 19:04, schrieb Jape Person: Hi! Because of the deprecated use of "# touch /forcefsck" as a method of forcing a file system check on the partition containin /root at boot time I posted here some time ago to see if there might be another way to invoke the function. touch /forcefsck

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 2015-03-11 22:16, schrieb Martinx - ジェームズ: Hey guys, With SysVinit or Upstart, when we stop/start a service, we can see a feedback from the command output. Like "service blah stopping..." Also, we can use, for example, `echo $?`, after the command, to see if it was executed according, or n

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015, Christian Seiler wrote: > The verbosity notwithstanding, the exit code of 'systemctl start' does > reflect if something goes wrong: Ah, cool. This wasn't clear from the documentation, and I didn't have time to read enough of the code to figure out whether this was actually the

Re: No feedback from systemd / "systemctl stop X"... Nothing on stdout, nothing that `echo $?` can see...

2015-03-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 2015-03-12 22:59, schrieb Michael Biebl: systemctl, like any good unix tool, simply is silent if there is nothing to report. Having a --verbose switch might indeed be a useful addition, but I think it shouldn't be the default behaviour. Just in case, anyone is wondering what I'm referring t

Re: Could do with some help - Wheezy, Kernel updated, now cannot boot

2015-03-12 Thread David Christensen
On 03/12/2015 02:31 PM, Ron Leach wrote: ... I cannot boot the system from the sda or sdb. First, archive your backup, image the operating system drive, archive the image, and put the archives off-site. Do you have an image of your system drive from when it was working? If, so, restore it

Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 12 March 2015 20:23:29 Gene Heskett wrote: > I am giving myself hell for not doing a bit more googling as I type > this. :( Or perhaps you could subscribe to the Debian Security Advisory Mailing List? I don't think it shouts, but it's good on information. https://www.debian.org/sec

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