Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25 There's a OT list for this BS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsub

Re: Surprisingly cheap HP 255 G2 laptop; Wheezy possible?

2014-08-26 Thread Ron Leach
On 24/08/2014 18:58, Joe wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:01:09 +0100 Ron Leach wrote: (iii) Dual booting with Windows (this has W8.1) does seem, generally, to be problematic; [...]I searched quite a lot for more details about Debian, even Linux generally, dual-booting with W8.1, but the only r

Re: sysvinit->systemd transition details

2014-08-26 Thread Alexandre Ferrieux
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:40:01 AM UTC+2, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:24:59 -0700 (PDT) > > Alexandre Ferrieux wrote: > > > systemd allows to continue using sysvinit scripts, service per > > service. It just doesn't preserve the integrity at the system level. > > On the whole, it does

Re: gps

2014-08-26 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 03:57:02PM +0200, François Patte wrote: > Bonjour, > > Are there software available to fully manage a GPS: update maps and > all this kind of things which are usualy provided for mac or windows > when you buy a GPS. If you want to manage waypoints, tracks and routes, then

Re: Wheezy and PXE boot with non free drivers

2014-08-26 Thread Pertti Kosunen
On 25.8.2014 23:19, Thomas wrote: I tried it, but did not get it up. If I boot from CD everythink works fine. Is there an way that I can put all the drivers from CD into PXE boot. I mean that PXE boot is same as CD boot? Are you trying to just install from pxe or run your own system? http://d-

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Tom H wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25 There's a OT list for this BS. Some of us don't think it's OT. Steve - thanks for the link. Miles Fidelman

Re: Loking for TV tuner / media player help

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 08:09:00PM -0700, Timothy Danielson wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking to finish installing a card= Happauge 2250 dual tuner > into Debian. I would also like to have a comparable Media center > software that would allow recording as I did in win media center as > wekk as watch l

Re: Help: Ubuntu 12.04LTS/14.04LTS PXE/netboot/preseed - does not initiate installation

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 03:58:54PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 25/08/2014, Snow Leopard wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I stumbled on a problem with Ubuntu installation PXE/netboot/preseed. > > > > OS: Ubuntu 12.04LTS/14.04LTS > > > > Is this a troll? This reply could certainly be taken as one. > A Ub

Re: gps

2014-08-26 Thread Nemeth Gyorgy
2014-08-26 11:25 keltezéssel, Darac Marjal írta: >> Are there software available to fully manage a GPS: update maps and >> all this kind of things which are usualy provided for mac or windows >> when you buy a GPS. > > If you want to manage waypoints, tracks and routes, then you want to > look at

Re: gps

2014-08-26 Thread Raffaele Morelli
2014-08-23 15:57 GMT+02:00 François Patte < francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr>: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bonjour, > > Are there software available to fully manage a GPS: update maps and > all this kind of things which are usualy provided for mac or windows > when you

Re: Loking for TV tuner / media player help

2014-08-26 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Timothy Danielson" > > Hi, > > I am looking to finish installing a card= Happauge 2250 dual tuner into > Debian. I would also like to have a comparable Media center software that > would allow recording as I did in win media center as wekk as watch live tv >

Re: Loking for TV tuner / media player help

2014-08-26 Thread Snow Leopard
Hi, also "Linux VDR" must be include in this list. Home page http://www.tvdr.de/ Andy On 8/26/2014 10:07 AM, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: "Timothy Danielson" Hi, I am looking to finish installing a card= Happauge 2250 dual tuner into Debian. I would also like to hav

Re: Loking for TV tuner / media player help

2014-08-26 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:09:00 -0700 Timothy Danielson wrote: > into Debian. I would also like to have a comparable Media center > software that would allow recording as I did in win media center as > wekk as watch live tv (since it is a dual tuner type and will let me > do that) Is it for a dedic

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread José Silva
On 26/08/14 09:06, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25 There's a OT list for this BS. If you replace you "BS" by "thing", "comment", whatever,

Help request: intel-microcode and old Intel processors

2014-08-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
I am the maintainer of the intel-microcode and iucode-tool packages, used to update the microcode[1] on Intel system processors (CPU chip). I'd like to know whether the kernel microcode update is working well on some of the older Intel 32-bit processors or not. These computers were sold between y

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped

2014-08-26 Thread John
On 25/08/14, Reco (recovery...@gmail.com) wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:13:41 +0400 > From: Reco > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: No localhost - I'm stumped > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.2 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, > DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FR

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped

2014-08-26 Thread Brian
On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 15:50:25 -0400, John wrote: > On 25/08/14, Reco (recovery...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > 3) strace ping6 -c2 ip6-localhost > > I've left this one out, since I recompiled the kernel without ip6 > support. "ping6 localhost" had produced a result and my thinking was > to force

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400 Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: > > > > http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25 > > There's a OT list for this BS. Hey Tom H, When I start posti

Re: Loking for TV tuner / media player help

2014-08-26 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Timothy Danielson" > > > > Hi, > > > > I am looking to finish installing a card= Happauge 2250 dual tuner > > into Debian. I would also like to have a comparable Media center > > software that w

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread AW
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:52:45 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Hey Tom H, > > When I start posting about my cat, or my car, or who I'll vote for for > governor, you can give me that "OT list" BS. But how your Linux > operating system is started, and whether it becomes more modular or more > entang

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread David Guntner
On 8/26/2014 1:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400 Tom H wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25 There's a OT list for this BS.

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped

2014-08-26 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:50:25 -0400 John wrote: > -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE This is the source of your trouble. You're redirecting packets intended to go via loopback to nat with this rule, which is obviously wrong. I suggest you to try this rule instead: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped

2014-08-26 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 03:50:25PM -0400, John wrote: > On 25/08/14, Reco (recovery...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:13:41 +0400 > > From: Reco > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: No localhost - I'm stumped > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.2 required=4.0

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Doug
On 08/26/2014 04:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400 Tom H wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25 There's a OT list for this BS.

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Doug
On 08/26/2014 05:36 PM, David Guntner wrote: /snip/ The whole systemd debate on *debian-user list* is ridiculous anyway, IMO. Some people really like it, and some people really hate it, and it rages on and on and on - and ultimately won't make ONE bit of difference. This is a USER list -

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:36 AM, David Guntner wrote: > On 8/26/2014 1:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400 >> Tom H wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt >>> wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-l

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Brian
On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 14:36:20 -0700, David Guntner wrote: > Yea, yea, yea, killfiles. We shouldn't *have* to use them to manage > the content on a list that's supposed to be about a particular > topic. The noise-to-signal ratio shouldn't be so high that > killfiling is necessary. If we have to

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped

2014-08-26 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 02:01:14 +0400, Reco wrote: > And, by the way, ipv6 has nothing to do with this problem, although the > output of ipv6 routing tables looks abnormal to me too. You could very well be correct. But, should the OP decide to continue without ipv6, he may find systemd to be unfor

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 14:36:20 -0700, David Guntner wrote: > >> Yea, yea, yea, killfiles. We shouldn't *have* to use them to manage >> the content on a list that's supposed to be about a particular >> topic. The noise-to-signal ratio shouldn't be s

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Brian
On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 19:08:32 -0400, Doug wrote: > > On 08/26/2014 05:36 PM, David Guntner wrote: > > /snip/ > > > >The whole systemd debate on *debian-user list* is ridiculous > >anyway, IMO. Some people really like it, and some people really > >hate it, and it rages on and on and on - and ul

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 08:18:04 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:36 AM, David Guntner wrote: > > > > Yea, but you see (well, I suppose that the people like you who continue to > > think this list is for anything you feel like posting about *don't* see it), > > *this* list is for

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 08:41:59 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 14:36:20 -0700, David Guntner wrote: > > > >> Yea, yea, yea, killfiles. We shouldn't *have* to use them to manage > >> the content on a list that's supposed to be abou

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Ric Moore
On 08/26/2014 05:21 PM, AW wrote: Info on the think system... http://members.shaw.ca/trishmau/thinksystem/musicman.htm Have fun. I am SO stealing that! Ric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: Really? What are "debian discussions"? The original post seemed devoid of any such target; it was simply a link. To some material that at least one list member (me) found very useful and informative. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practic

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Tue 26 Aug 2014 at 19:08:32 -0400, Doug wrote: On 08/26/2014 05:36 PM, David Guntner wrote: /snip/ The whole systemd debate on *debian-user list* is ridiculous anyway, IMO. Some people really like it, and some people really hate it, and it rages on and on and on - and ultimat

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 08/26/2014 05:21 PM, AW wrote: > >> Info on the think system... >> http://members.shaw.ca/trishmau/thinksystem/musicman.htm >> >> Have fun. > > I am SO stealing that! Ric Ah, the irony. Follow up, if anyone dares, on off-topic, not on user.

Wifi configuration GUI for Xorg?

2014-08-26 Thread John Conover
Is there a Wifi configuration GUI for Xorg that doesn't run Gnome, Lxde, Xfce, or KDE? Thanks, John -- John Conover, cono...@rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listma

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:18:23 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > To some material that at least one list member (me) found very useful > and informative. You're not alone. I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one thing: I don't want this on my machines, especially on serve

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/26/14, goli...@riseup.net wrote: > Choose your side on the Linux divide > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Choose your side on the Linux divide > From: Steve Litt > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:44:23 -0400 > Message-id: <20140825184423.56668...@mydesq2.doma

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Gary Dale
On 27/08/14 01:09 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/26/14, goli...@riseup.net wrote: Choose your side on the Linux divide To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Choose your side on the Linux divide From: Steve Litt Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:44:23 -0400 Message-i

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread golinux
On Tue, 8/26/14, B wrote: Subject: Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014, 11:16 PM On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:18:23 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: To some material that at least one list member (me) found very useful and inf

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 00:07:11 -0500 goli...@riseup.net wrote: > As systemd continues to send its tentacles deeper into your system and > applications, your computer will be pretty useless without it. Where > the fleeing refugees go remains to be determined. Perhaps Debian will > come to its se