On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 02:48:44PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> John Hasler writes:
> > Lisi writes:
> > > It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the
> > > countries that constitute the UK] are merely States
> >
> > It is a complete misunderstanding that the states tha
John Hasler writes:
> Lisi writes:
> > It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the
> > countries that constitute the UK] are merely States
>
> It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute the USA
> are merely provinces.
and none of them comes in .deb .
Lisi writes:
> It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the
> countries that constitute the UK] are merely States
It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute the USA
are merely provinces.
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On 9/18/2014 1:53 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Sorry, John. But we should be going OT
>
> On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
>> Lisi writes:
>>> There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
>>> Wales and England.
>>
>> In roughly the same sense in which
On 18/09/14 at 01:33pm, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful "list master" - is
> trying to stop this?
+1
>
> This exchange of what
On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful "list master" -
is trying to stop this?
This exchange of whatever is really *totally* OT, if that word has any
meaning at all.
p.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 06:42:29AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
> > Ahem. *Northern* Ireland.
> >
> > *Ireland*, unqualified, is the name of the second largest of the British
> > Isles, and of the parliamentary republic which occupies five-si
On 18/09/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> Sorry, John. But we should be going OT
>>
>> On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
>>> Lisi writes:
>>> > There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
>>> > Wales and England.
>>>
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Sorry, John. But we should be going OT
>
> On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
>> Lisi writes:
>> > There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
>> > Wales and England.
>>
>> In roughly the same sense in which ther
Sorry, John. But we should be going OT
On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
> Lisi writes:
> > There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
> > Wales and England.
>
> In roughly the same sense in which there are fifty countries in the USA.
No. They
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
> Ahem. *Northern* Ireland.
>
> *Ireland*, unqualified, is the name of the second largest of the British
> Isles, and of the parliamentary republic which occupies five-sixths of
> that island.
Mea culpa! I stand corrected. But at that ra
Lisi writes:
> There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
> Wales and England.
In roughly the same sense in which there are fifty countries in the USA.
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Just sail on over to this side of the pond. We can park you close to
Florida. The weather is fine save for a minor summer/autumn storm
every few years. We need a crisis like adding a 51st star to the
flag, but that's minor. Just be sure to bring the Triumph factory
along with you! It would be
On 17/09/14 22:54, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Ah! That is the first time you, or anyone else, ha(ve)(s) even hinted at
England. And there is no English Parliament, so I don't know how you
Antipodeans hear anything from non-existent English Parliamentary parties.
There is a UK Parliament, an Irish Stormo
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 21:20:19 Bret Busby wrote:
> Out here in the federation of penal colonies - the anti-poads, what we
> have heard, of the arguments and predictions of the leaders of the
> parliamentary parties of the english parliament, makes it appear that
> the english parliament be
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2014 18:06:12 Bret Busby wrote:
>> And, in a couple of days time, we get to find whether the term
>> "british" will just be a historical thing.
>
> No, the island isn't going to disappear! It may just have more than one
> sovereign stat
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 05:13:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> 2014/09/15 2:53 "Bartosz Olender" :
> >
> > I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by
> > following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and
> > see that the benefits of switching to it outc
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:34:19 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> The
> island dates back to the end of the last Ice Age.
And, sometimes, its mentality too ;-p)
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On Wednesday 17 September 2014 18:06:12 Bret Busby wrote:
> And, in a couple of days time, we get to find whether the term
> "british" will just be a historical thing.
No, the island isn't going to disappear! It may just have more than one
sovereign state in it. The Union is quite recent. The
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2014 16:54:02 Curt wrote:
>> On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> > > I think that was humor (smiley).
>> >
>> > Really? I did not see any.
>>
>> Yes, that's obvious enough.
>>
>> > > I was going to ask you what the whole
>> > > t
Lisi Reisz writes:
> Sorry Gian Uberto Lauri, this is an international list, but it is also an
> English speaking one. Native speakers will occasionally stray into humour
> which is not obvious to all nationalities.
I knew I should have not opened this e-mail according to the "Never
argue...
Curt writes:
> > Still can't see the humor. Maybe you guys have something strong to share...
>
> Merely a cinematic reference.
My error, they told me! Never argue...
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On Wednesday 17 September 2014 16:54:02 Curt wrote:
> On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > > I think that was humor (smiley).
> >
> > Really? I did not see any.
>
> Yes, that's obvious enough.
>
> > > I was going to ask you what the whole
> > > the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I d
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >
> > I think that was humor (smiley).
>
> Really? I did not see any.
Yes, that's obvious enough.
> > I was going to ask you what the whole
> > the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I didn't.
> Still can't see the humor. Maybe you guys have someth
Curt writes:
> On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > >
> > > Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this? :)
> >
> > Nothing. I was talking about GNU/Linux.
> >
>
> I think that was humor (smiley).
Really? I did not see any.
> I was going to ask you what the whole
> the th
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On 09/17/2014 at 04:13 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> Guys we've got better things to do than get sucked into this kind
> of quibbling.
>
> Steve's working on alternatives to debian+systemd.* and I'm trying
> to figure out what useful function systemd and
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >
> > Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this? :)
>
> Nothing. I was talking about GNU/Linux.
>
I think that was humor (smiley). I was going to ask you what the whole
the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I didn't.
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Chris Bannister writes:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:20:46PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >
> > Often in the past young people arrived screaming "We have the great
> > new thing that will change all", and a lot of "great new things" were
> > lost in time like tears in rain...
>
> Ummm
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:20:46PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> Often in the past young people arrived screaming "We have the great
> new thing that will change all", and a lot of "great new things" were
> lost in time like tears in rain...
Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this?
W dniu 17.09.2014 10:13, Joel Rees pisze:
>
> Very nice social engineering job. Turned into a nice tarpit, too.
>
You are really overrating my ability, all I wanted to do was to share my
opinion and start a mature discussion about why systemd is not welcome
in the Linux community. And honestly
Joel Rees writes:
> Steve's working on alternatives to debian+systemd.* and I'm trying to
> figure out what useful function systemd and friends really perform so that
> we can make something that the developers can use instead. Steve seems to
> be having more success than I.
Nice to read this!
2014/09/15 2:53 "Bartosz Olender" :
>
> I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by
> following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and
> see that the benefits of switching to it outclass the negatives.
> Therefore I want to poke my three cents into th
Steve Litt writes:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:20:46 +0200
> "Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote:
>
>
> > Often in the past young people arrived screaming "We have the great
> > new thing that will change all", and a lot of "great new things" were
> > lost in time like tears in rain...
>
> Let's n
Bret Busby wrote:
On 16/09/2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Bret Busby wrote:
Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who
may be seeking
On 16/09/2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Bret Busby wrote:
>
>>
>> Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
>> a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
>> like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who
>> may be seeking adv
On 9/16/14, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
>> > I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
>> > hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of t
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:36:51 -0700
Don Armstrong wrote:
> Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
Let it be, at this rate there will be blood (a lot) for Halloween ;-)
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On 09/16/2014 01:36 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote:
dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault,
his problem.
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
Threat? I couldn't figure out what he was saying, exce
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:12:44 +0100
Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:49:21 +0100
> Joe wrote:
>
> Sorry about that, Claws seems to have developed hiccups, and has been
> firmly thumped on the back...
LOL, Claws sucks, but it's the best email client available.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:20:46 +0200
"Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote:
> Often in the past young people arrived screaming "We have the great
> new thing that will change all", and a lot of "great new things" were
> lost in time like tears in rain...
Let's not make it about age. I bet I can find twenty
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:49:21 +0100
Joe wrote:
Sorry about that, Claws seems to have developed hiccups, and has been
firmly thumped on the back...
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> So... to whomever it was that said GNU is irrelevant, or words to
> that effect... Debian, and most (all?) Linux distros are very much
> dependent on GNU. Arguably, Debian is more intertwined with GNU than
> with the Linux kernel (ca
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote:
> dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault,
> his problem.
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Doug writes:
> > > On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > >
> > > > And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we
> > > > already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoy
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Doug writes:
> > > On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > >
> > > > And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we
> > > > already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoy
On 16/09/14 17:43, Andre N Batista wrote:
I find your lack of imagination disturbing. So disturbing that I here
and now propose a better approach: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and
point these threads as his fault, his problem. For years to come people
would remember what happens to those who try
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Doug writes:
> On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> > And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
> > were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
> > some command in an improved Unix experience.
> >
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:54:12AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
> > > I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
> > > hand I think discussing thi
Doug writes:
> On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> > And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
> > were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
> > some command in an improved Unix experience.
> >
> AH! You said it yourself! ".
On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
some command in an improved Unix experience.
AH! You said it yourself! "...an improved _Unix_ experience."
(Emp
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:00:40AM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> Sorry? Should we add some dressing to the barbecue? O.K. I am not an
> English native speaker.
Not a good idea, it only causes eye watering smoke to billow everywhere.
You are better off adding dressing to the food once it has
Bret Busby wrote:
Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who
may be seeking advice and assistance with day to day, layman type
opera
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 05:16:32PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>
> Sorry, I see only that he represented his views, which also happens to
> coincide with my own. Please, if you have to label someone, you've lost your
> argument's points from the get-go. :) Ric
Also his views were known long before 19
On 09/16/2014 09:56 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 15/09/2014, Bartosz Olender wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Plan 9 is considered a "spiritual successor" to UNIX with it's
>> principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still
>> researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can pu
Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
> > I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
> > hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of time – as
> > it won´t change anything.
>
>
On 15/09/2014, Bartosz Olender wrote:
>
> Plan 9 is considered a "spiritual successor" to UNIX with it's
> principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still
> researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can push
> this UNIX concept, I don't think we will see a
> On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
> > Bartosz Olender writes:
> > > Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion
> > > reminding that "GNU is *Not* Unix"
> >
> > May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive
> > expansion of GNU?
> Most of
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:38:18 -1000 Joel Roth sent:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 06:08:49PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > Charlie writes:
> > > Though I'm not a programmer and really know very little about
> > > Debian [as someone once said - the lifetime learning experience]
> > > imagine the install
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 06:08:49PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Charlie writes:
> > Though I'm not a programmer and really know very little about Debian
> > [as someone once said - the lifetime learning experience] imagine the
> > installer could present a choice of systemd or sys** whatever? The
>
Charlie writes:
> Though I'm not a programmer and really know very little about Debian
> [as someone once said - the lifetime learning experience] imagine the
> installer could present a choice of systemd or sys** whatever? The
> wiki could point out advantages and disadvantages of both?
That is b
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
> I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
> hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of time – as
> it won´t change anything.
I'm uncertain if that's correct. It certainly highlights some features
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:16:32 -0400
Ric Moore wrote:
> Sorry, I see only that he represented his views, which also happens to
> coincide with my own. Please, if you have to label someone, you've
> lost your argument's points from the get-go. :) Ric
I don't wanna stigmatize anybody; what I'd like
Am Montag, 15. September 2014, 21:55:29 schrieb Joe:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:32:45 +0200
>
> Bartosz Olender wrote:
> > W dniu 15.09.2014 19:39, Joe pisze:
> > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
> > >
> > > Doug wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
> > >>> Ba
On 09/15/2014 11:33 AM, B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug wrote:
Most of us are no interested in what Stallman or whoever created back
in 1995. We don't think of Linux as GNU.
Ahhh, so you are the declared and _democratically elected_ spokesman
of, let's say 80% of the Lin
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:32:45 +0200
Bartosz Olender wrote:
> W dniu 15.09.2014 19:39, Joe pisze:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
> > Doug wrote:
> >
> >> On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
> >>> Bartosz Olender writes:
> >>> > Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this d
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:32:45 +0200
Bartosz Olender wrote:
> I am not defending systemd programmers but, could you clarify what do
> you exactly mean by bad programming practices?
Creating weird situations about things that used to work well
for _years_ (eg: the kernel debug switch), then put the
W dniu 15.09.2014 19:39, Joe pisze:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
> Doug wrote:
>
>> On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
>>> Bartosz Olender writes:
>>> > Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion
>>> > reminding that "GNU is *Not* Unix"
>>>
>>> May I recall
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug wrote:
> On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
> > Bartosz Olender writes:
> > > Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion
> > > reminding that "GNU is *Not* Unix"
> >
> > May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the r
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug wrote:
> Most of us are no interested in what Stallman or whoever created back
> in 1995. We don't think of Linux as GNU.
Ahhh, so you are the declared and _democratically elected_ spokesman
of, let's say 80% of the Linux community (shit, I should read mor
On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Bartosz Olender writes:
> Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding
> that "GNU is *Not* Unix"
May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive
expansion of GNU?
Most of us are no interested in what S
Bartosz Olender writes:
> Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding
> that "GNU is *Not* Unix"
May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive
expansion of GNU?
> and because of that we should have the freedom
> to create better solutions, rather
I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by
following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and
see that the benefits of switching to it outclass the negatives.
Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding
that "GNU is *Not* Uni
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