On Wed 18 Sep 2019 at 12:06:00 (-), Curt wrote:
> On 2019-09-17, Sven Joachim wrote:
> > On 2019-09-17 11:10 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, the only link *needed* is init, hence its dependency on package
> >> init, whose sole function is to keep the number of init configurations
>
On 2019-09-17, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2019-09-17 11:10 -0500, David Wright wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, the only link *needed* is init, hence its dependency on package
>> init, whose sole function is to keep the number of init configurations
>> more than zero and less than two.
>>
>> The rest of those l
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 05:06:52PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
[...]
> I can't believe people are still adding cruft to sysv-rc helpers in 2019.
Luckily, "real world" is much more colourful and diverse than your
(or my -- or anyone's!) beliefs ;-)
Cheers
-- tomás
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On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:59:53PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2019-09-17 09:13 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv
> > i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv
> >
> > OK... I'll admit, I do not quite understand that dependency.
>
> The udev init scrip
On 2019-09-17 09:13 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:11:33PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>> What causes systemd-sysv to be installed?
>
> wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv
> i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv
>
> OK... I'll admit, I do not quite understand that dep
On 2019-09-17 11:10 -0500, David Wright wrote:
>
> Well, the only link *needed* is init, hence its dependency on package
> init, whose sole function is to keep the number of init configurations
> more than zero and less than two.
>
> The rest of those links just mean that I can read, say, a 60 lin
On Tue 17 Sep 2019 at 13:29:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 06:25:05PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > Upgrades from wheezy to jessie did not change the init system because
> > libpame-systemd had the dependency
> >
> > systemd-shim (>= 8-2) | systemd-sysv
>
> https://www.debi
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 06:25:05PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> Upgrades from wheezy to jessie did not change the init system because
> libpame-systemd had the dependency
>
> systemd-shim (>= 8-2) | systemd-sysv
https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#issues-sys
On Tue 17 Sep 2019 at 09:13:30 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:11:33PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > What causes systemd-sysv to be installed?
>
> wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv
> i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv
>
> OK... I'll admit, I do not quite under
On Tue 17 Sep 2019 at 10:37:15 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 23:31:23 +0100, Roger Lynn wrote:
>
> > I have three Stretch AMD64 systems with sysvinit - a desktop and laptop
> > running KDE and a headless server. Is there any information available
> > anywhere to tell me what will ha
On Tue 17 Sep 2019 at 09:45:21 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 09:40:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > I believe its name was chosen with
> > insufficient consideration, and is not in fact derived from its
> > function.
>
> You're not looking closely enough.
>
> > $ apt-
On 2019-09-17, The Wanderer wrote:
>>> Yes, but unless I'm greatly misunderstanding matters, /sbin/init is
>>> not specific to sysvinit.
>> That's okay, as I never came close to claiming it was. But you focus
>> uniquely upon this "point," while ignoring the part about the "links
>> needed for s
On 2019-09-17 at 09:45, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 09:40:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> I believe its name was chosen with
>> insufficient consideration, and is not in fact derived from its
>> function.
>
> You're not looking closely enough.
>
>> $ apt-file show systemd
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 09:40:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> I believe its name was chosen with
> insufficient consideration, and is not in fact derived from its
> function.
You're not looking closely enough.
> $ apt-file show systemd-sysv
> systemd-sysv: /sbin/halt
> systemd-sysv: /sbin/init
On 2019-09-17 at 09:28, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-09-17, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>>> Why he would say "despite its name" eludes this correspondent,
>>> because the package has *everything* to do with sysvinit,
>>> providing as it does the "links needed for systemd to replace
>>> sysvinit. Installing
On 2019-09-17, The Wanderer wrote:
>> Why he would say "despite its name" eludes this correspondent,
>> because the package has *everything* to do with sysvinit, providing
>> as it does the "links needed for systemd to replace sysvinit.
>> Installing systemd-sysv will overwrite /sbin/init with a
On 2019-09-17 at 09:13, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:11:33PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>
>> What causes systemd-sysv to be installed?
>
> wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv
> i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv
>
> OK... I'll admit, I do not quite understand that de
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:11:33PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> What causes systemd-sysv to be installed?
wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv
i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv
OK... I'll admit, I do not quite understand that dependency. But
what I really need to do is check this on a je
On 2019-09-17 at 04:09, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-09-16, Brian wrote:
[that on some earlier date which has been clipped out, someone else -
who happens to be The Wanderer - wrote:]
>>> The dist-upgrade will have resulted in installing the
>>> systemd-sysv package, which (despite its name) has nothi
On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 23:31:23 +0100, Roger Lynn wrote:
> I have three Stretch AMD64 systems with sysvinit - a desktop and laptop
> running KDE and a headless server. Is there any information available
> anywhere to tell me what will happen when I attempt to upgrade them to
> Buster? The release n
On 2019-09-16, Brian wrote:
>>
>> The dist-upgrade will have resulted in installing the systemd-sysv
>> package, which (despite its name) has nothing to do with sysvinit; it is
>> the package which sets systemd as the primary / active / default init
>> system.
>>
>> Installing sysvinit-core will
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:17 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> >> If you want to keep sysvinit, here's the order of events:
> >>
> >> change sources from stretch to buster
> >
> > Fine.
> >
> >> apt update
> >
> > Splendid.
> >
> >> apt dist-upgrade
> >
> > Great.
> >
> >> apt install sysvinit-core
> >
Quoting Brian (2019-09-17 00:11:33)
> On Mon 16 Sep 2019 at 15:16:34 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> > On 2019-09-16 at 15:07, Brian wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 21:52:50 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > >
> > >> Roger Lynn wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I have three Stretch AM
On 2019-09-16 at 18:11, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 16 Sep 2019 at 15:16:34 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2019-09-16 at 15:07, Brian wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 21:52:50 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
apt install sysvinit-core
>>>
>>> What happens if this is not done?
>>
>> Next time yo
On Mon 16 Sep 2019 at 15:16:34 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2019-09-16 at 15:07, Brian wrote:
>
> > On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 21:52:50 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> >> Roger Lynn wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have three Stretch AMD64 systems with sysvinit - a desktop and
> >>> laptop run
On 2019-09-16 at 15:07, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 21:52:50 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
>> Roger Lynn wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have three Stretch AMD64 systems with sysvinit - a desktop and
>>> laptop running KDE and a headless server. Is there any
>>> information available anywhere
On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 21:52:50 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Roger Lynn wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have three Stretch AMD64 systems with sysvinit - a desktop and laptop
> > running KDE and a headless server. Is there any information available
> > anywhere to tell me what will happen when I attempt to
Quoting Dan Ritter (2019-09-16 03:52:50)
> Roger Lynn wrote:
> > The KDE systems have systemd-shim installed, which is not present in
> > Buster. Is this going to cause problems? Will the server be okay?
> > Should I just stay with Stretch until Bullseye is released or
> > consider moving to De
Roger Lynn wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have three Stretch AMD64 systems with sysvinit - a desktop and laptop
> running KDE and a headless server. Is there any information available
> anywhere to tell me what will happen when I attempt to upgrade them to
> Buster? The release notes don't mention it and oth
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