Re: Mailing list in nomail

Hellow Greg and there, > Me too. Works perfectly in slrn (except for the occasional encrypted > article that this software can't decrypt into decipherable). Oh, that's really good news^^^ Thank you for introducing slrn. Sincerely, Gnus fan Byunghee

Re: Mailing list in nomail

(re-send email due to some spam rule) Hellow Eric and there, Eric S Fraga writes: > Response below/inline for email Leandro Noferini wrote: >> (original email sent 4 Mar 2025 at 12:20) >> >> Ciao a tutt*, >> >> is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain >> subscribed but

Re: Mailing list in nomail

On 2025-03-16, Byunghee HWANG wrote: >> >> Depending on what tools you use to read your emails, if they support >> NNTP (newsgroups), you can access this "mailing list" via the >> gmane.linux.debian.user newsgroup. This is how I access the list. > > Also i like gmane.linux.debian.user newsgroup.

Re: Mailing list in nomail

Le 3/4/25 à 16:46, Yassine Chaouche a écrit : I'd even extrapolate to other websites like the stackoverflow network, where most people are here to get answers, not to give answers. From my point of view and personal experience IRC is a little different. Maybe because it's in realtime, sometimes

Re: Mailing list in nomail

Le 3/4/25 à 16:06, Nicolas George a écrit : Yassine Chaouche (HE12025-03-04): I see this as a "forum" mode It is not called “forum mode”, it is called “egoistic mode”, because the poster expects other people will read their messages and provide help but is not willing to do the same for others

Re: Mailing list in nomail

On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 03:47:11PM +0100, Yassine Chaouche wrote: [...] > So in order to do this you need to stay subscribed (to eventually send mail), ...as has been stated elsewhere, you don't need to be subscribed to send mail to debian-user@ Which is pretty heroic these days, so I commend t

Re: Mailing list in nomail

Yassine Chaouche (HE12025-03-04): > I see this as a "forum" mode It is not called “forum mode”, it is called “egoistic mode”, because the poster expects other people will read their messages and provide help but is not willing to do the same for others in return. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Mailing list in nomail

Le 3/4/25 à 14:49, Eric S Fraga a écrit : What are you trying to achieve? I just do not understand what it means to be subscribed but not want to see any messages. Seems like a contradiction? Not necessarily, no. I see this as a "forum" mode where you only receive e-mail for discussions in wh

Re: Mailing list in nomail

The Wanderer writes: [...] > The context I'm aware of in which such a thing would be useful is > mailing lists which condition some capability (posting, or access to > read the archives, or some other such thing) on being subscribed. > > AFAIK, debian-user does not do this, so I don't see a reas

Re: Mailing list in nomail

On 2025-03-04 at 08:49, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Response below/inline for email Leandro Noferini wrote: > >> (original email sent 4 Mar 2025 at 12:20) >> >> Ciao a tutt*, >> >> is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain >> subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? >

Re: Mailing list in nomail

Hi, On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 01:49:31PM +, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Response below/inline for email Leandro Noferini wrote: > > (original email sent 4 Mar 2025 at 12:20) > > is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain > > subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? > > W

Re: Mailing list in nomail

Response below/inline for email Leandro Noferini wrote: > (original email sent 4 Mar 2025 at 12:20) > > Ciao a tutt*, > > is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain > subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? What are you trying to achieve? I just do not understand w

Re: Mailing list in nomail

On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 12:20:03PM +0100, Leandro Noferini wrote: > Ciao a tutt*, > > is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain > subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? Asking for help to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org just lists "help", "subscribe" and "unsu

Re: Mailing list in nomail

Le 3/4/25 à 12:20, Leandro Noferini a écrit : Ciao a tutt*, is possible to set this mailling list in "nomail" mode to remain subscribed but to not receive anymore messages? Just create a mail filter that drops mail coming from debian-user@lists.debian.org, but remember to remove it if you dec

Deleting/removing content from Debian mailing lists [WAS Re: Mailing list conduct and long threads]

On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 02:02:45PM +0800, hlyg wrote: > is it possible for moderator to remove posts that go astray too far when > archiving? > Hi hlyg, The Debian lists don't work quite that way. It's quite hard to establish that there's nothing useful even in the longest threads. Also, Debian a

Re: Mailing list conduct and long threads [WAS new computer arriving soon etc.]

is it possible for moderator to remove posts that go astray too far when archiving?

Re: Mailing List

On Sun 03 Dec 2023 at 10:01:25 (+0100), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > I'm subscribed, but I don't receive that badge of honour. > > This is from my other post in this thread—no LDOSUBSCRIBER: > > > > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=CAPINIT,FOURLA, > > > HE

Re: Mailing List

On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 20:39:51 (+), piorunz wrote: > On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) > > > > Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have > > the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-

Re: Mailing List

Hi, David Wright wrote: > I'm subscribed, but I don't receive that badge of honour. > This is from my other post in this thread—no LDOSUBSCRIBER: > > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=CAPINIT,FOURLA, > > HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,LDO_WHITELIST,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, > >

Re: Mailing List

On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 17:24:53 (+0100), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? > > I got your message via the list. > > > Have received any messages since Nov 30 > > Normal traffic yesterday and today, i'd say. > > > I can not tell if I am still subsc

Re: Mailing List

On 12/1/23 11:36, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Pocket wrote: Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? Have received any messages since Nov 30 I can not tell if I am still subscribed I get Error: Overload On thehttps://lists.debian.org/users.html page Looks like I

Re: Mailing List

On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:39:51PM +, piorunz wrote: > On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) > > > > Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have > > the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the

Re: Mailing List

piorunz writes: > On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >>> Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) >> >> Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have >> the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-Spam-Status header). >> >> Cheers > > Oh, ok

Re: Mailing List

On Fri 01 Dec 2023 at 16:32:44 (+), Joe wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:12:56 +0100 > Marco Moock wrote: > > Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe: > > > > > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the > > > next three were on 29th at > > > 08:39 > > > 13:14 > > > 15:5

Re: Mailing List

On 01/12/2023 16:15, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) Not necessarily, you can post here as a non-subscriber. Actually I have the hunch that the OP is not subscribed (going by the X-Spam-Status header). Cheers Oh, ok, I didn't know that. That's why the

Re: Mailing List

Pocket wrote: > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? > > Have received any messages since Nov 30 > > I can not tell if I am still subscribed > > I get > > Error: Overload > > On the https://lists.debian.org/users.html page Your message made it to the list. Various people c

Re: Mailing List

On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:12:56 +0100 Marco Moock wrote: > Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe: > > > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the > > next three were on 29th at > > 08:39 > > 13:14 > > 15:55 > > then normal flow was resumed, which is typically about 50 mess

Re: Mailing List

Hi, > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? I got your message via the list. > Have received any messages since Nov 30 Normal traffic yesterday and today, i'd say. > I can not tell if I am still subscribed The "From:" address poc...@columbus.rr.com seems not to be recognized a

Re: Mailing List

On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 03:24:33PM +, piorunz wrote: > On 01/12/2023 15:05, Pocket wrote: > > Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? > > > > Have received any messages since Nov 30 > > > > I can not tell if I am still subscribed > > Your message is here, so you are subscribed

Re: Mailing List

Am 01.12.2023 um 15:55:41 Uhr schrieb Joe: > I received a message timed 22:52 on 28th, the last that day, the next > three were on 29th at > 08:39 > 13:14 > 15:55 > then normal flow was resumed, which is typically about 50 messages per > day. > > So yes, there was a problem. > Times UTC by the wa

Re: Mailing List

Am 01.12.2023 um 10:05:02 Uhr schrieb Pocket: > I get > > > Error: Overload > > On the https://lists.debian.org/users.html page Works perfectly fine for me.

Re: Mailing List

On 01/12/2023 15:05, Pocket wrote: Anyone one else having trouble with the mailing list? Have received any messages since Nov 30 I can not tell if I am still subscribed Your message is here, so you are subscribed :) -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal oper

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 8/14/23 12:24, zithro wrote: On 12 Aug 2023 04:39, gene heskett wrote: On 8/11/23 21:10, Larry Martell wrote: Larry, whom I've known for 20 years, is only echoing.   Are you really an engineer ?! No, I am not an EE, but I am a Certified Electronics Technician, a much rarer breed of cat

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 Bret Busby wrote: On 14/8/23 03:36, davidson wrote: On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 12:12:49AM +, davidson wrote: The foregoing demonstration is meant to show how, using alpine's threaded mode, I minimise my irritation with threads

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 4:33 PM davidson wrote: [...] Somebody else posts a red-herring link, to a mailing list concerning the linux distro called Alpine Linux. [3] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/08/msg00355.html Then Greg points out, in re

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 12 Aug 2023 04:39, gene heskett wrote: On 8/11/23 21:10, Larry Martell wrote: Larry, whom I've known for 20 years, is only echoing. Are you really an engineer ?! No, I am not an EE, but I am a Certified Electronics Technician, a much rarer breed of cat than your run of the mill EE.  W

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 14/8/23 03:36, davidson wrote: On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 12:12:49AM +, davidson wrote: The foregoing demonstration is meant to show how, using alpine's threaded mode, I minimise my irritation with threads that I find irrelevant to my interests

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 4:33 PM davidson wrote: > [...] > Somebody else posts a red-herring link, to a mailing list concerning > the linux distro called Alpine Linux. > [3] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/08/msg00355.html > > Then Greg points out, in reply to the red-herring poster, tha

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 12:12:49AM +, davidson wrote: >> The foregoing demonstration is meant to show how, using alpine's >> threaded mode, I minimise my irritation with threads that I find >> irrelevant to my interests > > Unfortunately no mat

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 2023-08-12, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > In the US, the banks are laxed. Banks claim they don't want to lose > customers with inconveniences. I understand things are different from > Europe. It's a two-edged sword, though: I had to purchase a new smart phone in order to continue banking with one

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

Hello, On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 12:12:49AM +, davidson wrote: > The foregoing demonstration is meant to show how, using alpine's > threaded mode, I minimise my irritation with threads that I find > irrelevant to my interests Unfortunately no matter how advanced your MUA is, it doesn't help aga

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 10:18 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > [...] > No one of us is perfect: the temptation to just add a bit more when you > are irritated or something is wrong on the internet can be very strong. > > Obligatory xkcd cartoon: https://xkcd.com/386 Yeah, some threads refuse to die.

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

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Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

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Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:17 PM David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 11 Aug 2023 at 17:39:28 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > The recommended procedure usually w

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 8/12/23 12:18, Curt wrote: On 2023-08-12, Larry Martell wrote: Larry didn't write the next quote, he was echoing the OP which I snipped. Who is a random person to you? You're new to this list, so you have no clue who is who here. Larry did write this: Gene may be many things, bu

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 04:17:33PM -, Curt wrote: > But what I want to know is: if you misspell "unsubscribe" in your > subscription cancellation email to the appropriate Debian user list > address, what happens? Just tried it. The misspelled request is not processed, and you get a generic "h

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 2023-08-12, Larry Martell wrote: > > > Who is a random person to you? You're new to this list, so you have > no clue > who is who here. > Gene may be many things, but he's not random. He's *old*, though, so I think certain breaks are to be given on that account. But what I want to know is:

Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 08:53:43AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > Could the List administrators please shut down both this thread and the > "unubscribe" thread? > Sadly, this list isn't fully moderated: the only way to stop any particular thread is not to contribute to it. I spend some t

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 05:39:28PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > The recommended procedure usually works, unless the user is now using a > > > different browser or ha

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Fri 11 Aug 2023 at 17:39:28 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > The recommended procedure usually works, unless the user is now using a > > > different browser or has

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 8/11/23 21:10, Larry Martell wrote: Larry, whom I've known for 20 years, is only echoing. Are you really an engineer ?! No, I am not an EE, but I am a Certified Electronics Technician, a much rarer breed of cat than your run of the mill EE. We teach EE's how to get their hands dirty i

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 6:03 PM zithro wrote: > On 11 Aug 2023 23:39, gene heskett wrote: > > No its not Tomas, everytime ff issues an update, I have to go thru all > > the bs of proving I am me to my bank, and its been that way for at least > > a decade. > > With all due respect, can you stop sp

List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 12/8/23 08:08, zithro wrote: On 11 Aug 2023 23:39, gene heskett wrote: No its not Tomas, everytime ff issues an update, I have to go thru all the bs of proving I am me to my bank, and its been that way for at least a decade. With all due respect, can you stop spreading misinformation to th

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 11 Aug 2023 23:39, gene heskett wrote: No its not Tomas, everytime ff issues an update, I have to go thru all the bs of proving I am me to my bank, and its been that way for at least a decade. With all due respect, can you stop spreading misinformation to this list ? Not only this has nothi

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 12/8/23 06:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 05:39:28PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] The recommended procedure usually works, unless the user is now using a different

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 05:39:28PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > The recommended procedure usually works, unless the user is now using a > > > different browser or ha

Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio

On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] The recommended procedure usually works, unless the user is now using a different browser or has installed a new version of the OS. Sorry, Gene, this is plain wrong. The way it works

Re: Mailing list usage questions

>> If I'm not wrong, RFC compliance may even be required in some areas (via >> contracts). > That might happen, but it wouldn't be a great idea from a legal > standpoint: RFCs are often ambiguous in surprising ways. Most contracts are ambiguous in surprising ways anyway :-) Stefan

Re: Mailing list usage questions

zithro wrote: > On 13 Apr 2023 01:15, Dan Ritter wrote: > > zithro wrote: > > > On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ? > > > > Sort of. > > > > At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take > > notes. Not quite c

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 13 Apr 2023 01:15, Dan Ritter wrote: zithro wrote: On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote: RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ? Sort of. At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take notes. Not quite certain of how accurately he had transcribed things, he

Re: Mailing list usage questions

zithro wrote: > On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ? Sort of. At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take notes. Not quite certain of how accurately he had transcribed things, he typed up "Request For Comments" at th

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:04:42PM +0200, zithro wrote: So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider (in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ? Why do you sound surprised? This is how everything works. Everyt

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 12 Apr 2023 19:20, John Hasler wrote: zithro writes: To not have to handle issues with security or availability of an own mail server. I use pobox.com's paid service. Email is their business. I run Postfix locally using the Pobox server as a smarthost and use Fetchmail to download my mail

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:04:42PM +0200, zithro wrote: > So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider > (in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ? Why do you sound surprised? This is how everything works. Everything.

Re: Mailing list usage questions

[Note: I snipped everything for easier read, and replied to the most recent email] Thank you all for your constructive answers ! This was a really interesting read. So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider (in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ?

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 12 Apr 2023 19:56, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:40:45PM +0200, zithro wrote: [...] But they don't work for you. Well, in a sense, yes, and freely ^^ You don't want to be convinced No, that's not how life works. How pretentious is that sentence ... Nonetheless, I

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:16:08PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:06 PM wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised > > > when unexpected things h

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed 12 Apr 2023 at 14:02:39 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:52 PM wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer > > > wrote: > > > > ... > > > > Some mail services apparently treat this

Re: Mailing list usage questions

to...@tuxteam.de writes: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer > > wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that > > > look like duplicates of ones you already h

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:06 PM wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > [...] > > > If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised > > when unexpected things happen. > > Unexpected things happen to me all the time -- the least of them are

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:38:37 -0400 Jeffrey Walton wrote: Hello Jeffrey, >I don't think I would blame GMail for that. Maybe it's the sender's MUA? It's well known that google discard what they see as 'duplicate' messages. It is nothing to do with the sender's MUA. Always remember google's 'ema

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: [...] > If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised > when unexpected things happen. Unexpected things happen to me all the time -- the least of them are related to Message-IDs. My Message-IDs are fine, thanky

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:52 PM wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that > > > look like duplicates of ones you

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:40:45PM +0200, zithro wrote: [...] > > But they don't work for you. > > Well, in a sense, yes, and freely ^^ You don't want to be convinced, I don't want to be convinced, so let's be nice to the rest of humankind and shut up now. [...] > Ah ah, this answer ... "I kn

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer wrote: > > > > ... > > Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that > > look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a > > feature; Gm

Re: Mailing list usage questions

zithro writes: > To not have to handle issues with security or availability of an own > mail server. I use pobox.com's paid service. Email is their business. I run Postfix locally using the Pobox server as a smarthost and use Fetchmail to download my mail every five minutes. Best of both worlds,

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer wrote: > > ... > Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that > look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a > feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as > with this mailin

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 12 Apr 2023 18:12, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:00:25PM +0200, zithro wrote: On 12 Apr 2023 11:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: Hello Andrew, If yo

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:00:25PM +0200, zithro wrote: > On 12 Apr 2023 11:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 + > > > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > > > > > Hello Andrew, > > > > > > > If you are su

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 12 Apr 2023 11:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: Hello Andrew, If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see a copy turn up in your mailing list ma

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 12 Apr 2023 13:54, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see a copy turn up in your mailing list mails Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly using google. Now why would you want to do that? I have experience. Gmail

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 12 Apr 2023 04:12, The Wanderer wrote: Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as with this mailing list) the incoming copy

Re: Mailing list usage questions

>> >If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see >> >a copy turn up in your mailing list mails >> >> Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly using google. > > Now why would you want to do that? I have experience. Gmail eat one message if that is dupli

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 + > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > Hello Andrew, > > >If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see > >a copy turn up in your mailing list mails > > Unless your email provid

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: Hello Andrew, >If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see >a copy turn up in your mailing list mails Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly using google. -- Regards _ "Valid

Re: Mailing list usage questions

Tom Furie wrote: > It occurs to me that I'm not even aware of what list management > software these lists are managed with anymore. | All original Debian mailing lists are run on a special server, using an | automatic mail processing software called SmartList.

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 2023-04-11 at 16:22, zithro wrote: > Hello all, > > I have two questions about the Debians ML usage. > > 1. when subscribing, the confirmation message says "By default, copies > of your own submissions will be returned." > What is the meaning of "default" and "returned" here ? > I understand

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:51:43PM +0200, zithro wrote: > I already sent "help" to the ML but it did not provide any hints. > Hence my question here ; ) Oh! Yes, I see the reply to that message is much less useful than it once was... Previously it would supply a list of commands for subscription m

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:22:59PM +0200, zithro wrote: > Hello all, > > I have two questions about the Debians ML usage. > > 1. when subscribing, the confirmation message says "By default, copies of > your own submissions will be returned." > What is the meaning of "default" and "returned" here

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On 11 Apr 2023 22:39, Tom Furie wrote: In the headers of every mail on debian lists are some "List-*" headers. In there you can find an address and subject to get help on list commands etc. (At least, I assume it still works. I haven't used it in a long time and didn't bother to check before writ

Re: Mailing list usage questions

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:22:59PM +0200, zithro wrote: > I have two questions about the Debians ML usage. > > 1. when subscribing, the confirmation message says "By default, copies of > your own submissions will be returned." > What is the meaning of "default" and "returned" here ? > I understand

Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 14:45:57 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > [1] I'm somewhat of a language nerd. I do love all words! Words are words. They exist. So why do they disappear from the language? I would suggest some consideration about using "cretin", "moron" and "lunatic" in public. Their histo

Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 14:45:57 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:31:37PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > > On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > >On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > >[...] > > > > > >>DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh

Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

Hi, >> [1] I'm somewhat of a language nerd. I do love all words! >> > I too am a language nerd. It is terribly fascinating how a particular > word, regardless of things like history and etymology can come to be > considered a "bad word" all on its own in any context. Other words are > "bad" only

Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 02:45:57PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:31:37PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > > On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > >On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > >[...] > > > > > >>DO NOT USE xhost + WITH s

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:59:21 +1000 Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Just now discovered a mutt feature which blows all the "web forum" > competition away: > > -V > > Note, as opposed to -v > > I.e. "fold"/ unfold all threads - and when you enter a thread/ read > it's first msg, that thread is auto unfo

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 02:04:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: And note the keyboard bindings, "split thread" and delete attachments features here: https://heipei.net/2009/09/10/mutt-threading-like-a-pro/ These are features that are not present in upstream mutt, fwiw, but patched into the Deb

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 01:59:21PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Just now discovered a mutt feature which blows all the "web forum" > competition away: > > -V > > Note, as opposed to -v > > I.e. "fold"/ unfold all threads - and when you enter a thread/ read > it's first msg, that thread is aut

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Just now discovered a mutt feature which blows all the "web forum" competition away: -V Note, as opposed to -v I.e. "fold"/ unfold all threads - and when you enter a thread/ read it's first msg, that thread is auto unfolded. As good as it gets... and better than javascript web online only firet

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