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From: "Paul Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 09:11
Subject: Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved
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is an interest
On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 20:22, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Monday 08 December 2003 21:49, Oliver Elphick wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 18:12, s. keeling wrote:
>
> [...]
> > eternal power and deity; demonstrated,
> > among other things, by the immense and beautiful complexity of living
> > systems.
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:24:14 +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Monday 08 December 2003 21:34, Paul Morgan wrote:
>
>> paul
>>
>> "Don't be so humble. You're not that great."
>> (Golda Meir)
>
> What is really interesting is who did she say that to?
Apparently, quite a few pe
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:32:27 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul Morgan writes:
>> You are incorrect. But perfectly entitled to your beliefs.
>
> No belief is involved.
You are perfectly entitled to believe that :>
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(Golda
Paul Morgan writes:
> You are incorrect. But perfectly entitled to your beliefs.
No belief is involved.
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On Monday 08 December 2003 21:34, Paul Morgan wrote:
> paul
>
> "Don't be so humble. You're not that great."
> (Golda Meir)
What is really interesting is who did she say that to?
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On Monday 08 December 2003 21:49, Oliver Elphick wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 18:12, s. keeling wrote:
[...]
> eternal power and deity; demonstrated,
> among other things, by the immense and beautiful complexity of living
> systems. Paul cited DNA. On a "higher" level, photosynthesis and
> blo
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:12:09 -0700, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Paul Morgan:
>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:10:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>>
>> > Paul Morgan writes:
>> >> Having said that, when I see a watch, it convinces me of the existence of
>> >> the watchmaker
>> >
>> > And when you vie
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:11:46 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul Morgan writes
>> 1. I don't view the watchmaker "as a watch".
>
> What reason can you give for placing your "watchmaker" in a special class?
>
>> 2. The watchmaker is extrauniversal by definition, and anything
>> extrauniversal is u
On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 18:12, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Paul Morgan:
...
> Anything extrauniversal can have no effect on that universe. Variable
> is out of scope. That much is knowable.
That's just wordplay. You implicitly define extrauniversal as meaning
altogether outside and not inte
Paul Morgan writes
> 1. I don't view the watchmaker "as a watch".
What reason can you give for placing your "watchmaker" in a special class?
> 2. The watchmaker is extrauniversal by definition, and anything
> extrauniversal is unknowable.
Occam's Razor.
> Cause and effect may be a local pheno
Incoming from Paul Morgan:
> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:10:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>
> > Paul Morgan writes:
> >> Having said that, when I see a watch, it convinces me of the existence of
> >> the watchmaker
> >
> > And when you view the watchmaker as a watch do you see an infinite
> > regressio
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:10:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul Morgan writes:
>> Having said that, when I see a watch, it convinces me of the existence of
>> the watchmaker
>
> And when you view the watchmaker as a watch do you see an infinite
> regression of watchmakers?
1. I don't view the wat
Paul Morgan writes:
> Having said that, when I see a watch, it convinces me of the existence of
> the watchmaker
And when you view the watchmaker as a watch do you see an infinite
regression of watchmakers?
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 04:05:36 +, ben_foley wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 11:23:31AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> david attenborough is one of the few honest humans on the planet. anyone
> who tries to tell you that he's full of shit is missing the point of
> being here, to begin with. the elegance o
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 11:23:31AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 09:57:49AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, I have definitely had dogs who had a sense of torture -- lock
> > them outside for a few hours and they would whine, and whine, and whine
> > about being tortur
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 09:57:49AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
> Anyway, I have definitely had dogs who had a sense of torture -- lock
> them outside for a few hours and they would whine, and whine, and whine
> about being tortured by not being allowed inside
I saw my dog get embaressed onc
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 at 11:17 GMT, Klaus Imgrund penned:
> On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:23 am, Tom wrote:
>
>
>> Have you ever seen a dog play with a mouse by torturing it?
>
> Animals don't have a concept of torture. Most pets rarely kill
> anything and are almost as clueless how to go about i
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 06:17:12AM -0500, Klaus Imgrund wrote:
> On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:23 am, Tom wrote:
>
>
> > Have you ever seen a dog play with a mouse by torturing it?
>
> Animals don't have a concept of torture.
I don't much care what you want to call it -- point is they do it.
Ki
On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:23 am, Tom wrote:
> Have you ever seen a dog play with a mouse by torturing it?
Animals don't have a concept of torture.
Most pets rarely kill anything and are almost as clueless how to go about it
as I am with fixing my box.
They are merely what appears to be crue
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 06:16:15PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> >
> Heidegger, not Kant is the one with the answer here.
> 'Dasein', - Man, the being for whom being is a question.
> With all due respect to cats and dogs.
Have you ever seen the "Intelligence" episode of "Trials of Life" ?
Have yo
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:32:46 -0700
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 at 05:57 GMT, Paul E Condon penned:
> >
> > As the most recent user of this phrase on this list, let me join
> > this discussion:
> >
> > The sense in which I meant 'know history' was to know w
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:14:16 -0700
Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 05:40:32AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 02:25:18PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > > On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 at 21:13 GMT, csj penned:
> > > >>
> > > >> As usual, sc
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 at 05:57 GMT, Paul E Condon penned:
>
> As the most recent user of this phrase on this list, let me join this
> discussion:
>
> The sense in which I meant 'know history' was to know what has
> happened in prior times when a certain course of action or a certain
> line of reaso
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 05:40:32AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 02:25:18PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 at 21:13 GMT, csj penned:
> > >>
> > >> As usual, science fiction was here before. C.F., _The Songs of
> > >> Distant Earth_ by Arthur C.
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 05:40:32AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 02:25:18PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 at 21:13 GMT, csj penned:
> > >>
> > >> As usual, science fiction was here before. C.F., _The Songs of
> > >> Distant Earth_ by Arthur C.
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 02:25:18PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 at 21:13 GMT, csj penned:
> >>
> >> As usual, science fiction was here before. C.F., _The Songs of
> >> Distant Earth_ by Arthur C. Clarke.
> >
> > You do remember that the first generation colonists in the
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 at 21:13 GMT, csj penned:
>>
>> As usual, science fiction was here before. C.F., _The Songs of
>> Distant Earth_ by Arthur C. Clarke.
>
> You do remember that the first generation colonists in the novel were
> "manufactured" from gene samples and raised by machines that taugh
On 6. December 2003 at 11:07AM -0800,
Jason Newquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > Friends of mine postulated the idea of having "politician
> > > duty" in much the same was as we have jury duty ... you get
> > > a letter one day telling you it's
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Friends of mine postulated the idea of having "politician duty" in much
> > the same was as we have jury duty ... you get a letter one day telling
> > you it's your turn to serve. Pretty sure this was done in at least one
> > ancient govt ... think
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 01:29:31PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 17:56 GMT, Paul Johnson penned:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1
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> > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:13:33PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> >> Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, a
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