On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:12:09 -0700, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Paul Morgan: >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:10:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote: >> >> > Paul Morgan writes: >> >> Having said that, when I see a watch, it convinces me of the existence of >> >> the watchmaker >> > >> > And when you view the watchmaker as a watch do you see an infinite >> > regression of watchmakers? >> >> 1. I don't view the watchmaker "as a watch". >> 2. The watchmaker is extrauniversal by definition, and anything >> extrauniversal is unknowable. Cause and effect may be a local phenomenon. > > Anything extrauniversal can have no effect on that universe. Variable > is out of scope. That much is knowable. > > Hence, existence or not of proposed watchmaker is irrelevant to > anything inside that universe. See "Brief History of Time" - Hawking.
You, too are incorrect (IMO, of course). And again perfectly entitled to your beliefs. I have arrived at mine through decades of reading (including Hawking) and thinking, and I am disinclined to argue. I have no desire to convince anyone of anything. As I said in my original post, it is simply a personal view, hoping thereby to avoid attack or argument. -- ....................paul "Don't be so humble. You're not that great." (Golda Meir) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
