Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-06 Thread Anssi Saari
Eben King writes: > xev works as not-root, so X clients in general work. So how do I get > around this? Installing not-Wayland is an option, but I probably should > replace it with some WIMP interface so if I need it, it's there. Thanks. So, as xev works, X forwarding works and it's not your

Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-05 Thread Eben King
On 4/4/25 17:00, Eben King wrote: Also it suspends the OS after a few minutes, so I gotta find out where that's controlled. /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults looks to be a likely candidate, as in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/748759/disabling-suspend-etc-on-debian-12 I changed it

Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 8:37 PM Eben King wrote: > > On 4/4/25 16:41, George at Clug wrote: > > > > [...] > > If you need to reboot to complete the installation > > # systemctl reboot > > shutdown doesn't. I mean it acts like it does, goes through the > motions, and ends up with a computer that's

Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/04/2025 04:00, Eben King wrote: Also it suspends the OS after a few minutes, so I gotta find out where that's controlled. Either your desktop environment or systemd had a hope to reduce your electricity bills. Check power management setting for both. For the latter see /etc/systemd/slee

Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-04 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 18:13:40 -0400 Eben King wrote: > > Not necessarily. I routinely ssh into all my computers, to their > > root and user accounts, > > So you ssh-login as root, or do you login as a user then su to root? I log in as root. "ssh r...@dragon.example.com". -- Does anybody read

Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-04 Thread Eben King
On 4/4/25 18:08, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 17:00:09 -0400 Eben King wrote: to run synaptic you would need to do this on the computer itself, not remotely unless you are using a remote X or Wayland client like VNC. So ssh is right out? That sucketh much. It's not all X cli

Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-04 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 17:00:09 -0400 Eben King wrote: > > to run synaptic you would need to do this on the computer itself, > > not remotely unless you are using a remote X or Wayland client like > > VNC. > > So ssh is right out? That sucketh much. It's not all X clients that > don't work, so w

Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-04 Thread Eben King
On 4/4/25 16:41, George at Clug wrote: Hi, I believe you are using a terminal from another computer, and not using a remote X or Wayland client like VNC? (e.g. "I usually access it via ssh") That is correct, ssh in bash in xfce4-terminal in XFCE in X11 under kernel 6.1.0-32-amd64. If so

Re: X client from Wayland to X11 through ssh

2025-04-04 Thread George at Clug
Hi, I believe you are using a terminal from another computer, and not using a remote X or Wayland client like VNC? (e.g. "I usually access it via ssh") If so, please use apt to install software. for example, become root $ sudo -i or just su (which is what I use) $ su After logging in as root

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-11-03 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 4:04 PM Christian wrote: > [...] > Well yes, and it's pretty confusing because I disabled secure boot, and > the problems remained. Which makes me really clueless, because there is > not much information left on the dmesg. Maybe its something with BIOS or > ACPI? By adding l

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-11-03 Thread Christian
So far I couldn't see anything in my cmdline which is kernel_lockdown related. If this means that you already looked into /proc/cmdline then i am out of ideas why the kernel log reported [   47.042454] Lockdown: Xorg: raw io port access is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7 Turns out,

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Christian wrote: > So far I couldn't see anything in my > cmdline which is kernel_lockdown related. If this means that you already looked into /proc/cmdline then i am out of ideas why the kernel log reported > > [   47.042454] Lockdown: Xorg: raw io port access is restricted; see man > >

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 12:25 PM Christian wrote: > > Hello Kevin, thank you for support. I choosed Nvidia again deliberately > because I want to play with Tesorflow, Scikit-Learn and GPT. And yes I > had my experiences with Nvidia over the year as well. But I decided to > take Nvidia again. Maybe

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
30 Oct 2024 16:25:58 Christian : > I choosed Nvidia again deliberately because I want to play with Tesorflow, > Scikit-Learn and GPT. Or perhaps game. People seem to forget that 20 years ago Nvidia was the only supporter of full featured gpu drivers on Linux. Have you tried disabling secure bo

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Christian
Hello Kevin, thank you for support. I choosed Nvidia again deliberately because I want to play with Tesorflow, Scikit-Learn and GPT. And yes I had my experiences with Nvidia over the year as well. But I decided to take Nvidia again. Maybe there are more people like me, giving up the installatio

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Christian
Hello Timothy, I did so. I used Debian Testing/Trixie, which I also use on my current old system (build 2015) with apt pinning and everything... The ISO I used was debian-live-testing-amd64-xfce.iso. BR Christian On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 10:58 AM Christian wrote: Hi Thomas, thank you for you

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 10:58 AM Christian wrote: > Hi Thomas, thank you for your help. So far I couldn't see anything in my > cmdline which is kernel_lockdown related. And I grep'ed the whole /etc > and /boot directory recursively. Nothing. And neither in the dmesg, > there is no "lsm=" line. On

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 11:27 AM Christian wrote: > > Hello out there, I have an issue with my new Debian installation. I > > choose stable for now, to keep it simple. So used the stable > > installation ISO to install Debian on a MSI Z690-A with a Intel Core > > I7-14700 and a GeForce RTX 4060Ti

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Christian
Hello out there, I have an issue with my new Debian installation. I choose stable for now, to keep it simple. So used the stable installation ISO to install Debian on a MSI Z690-A with a Intel Core I7-14700 and a GeForce RTX 4060Ti. The Nouveau driver did not work with this card so I installed the

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-30 Thread Christian
Hi Thomas, thank you for your help. So far I couldn't see anything in my cmdline which is kernel_lockdown related. And I grep'ed the whole /etc and /boot directory recursively. Nothing. And neither in the dmesg, there is no "lsm=" line. Only in the kernel .config is CONFIG_SECURITY_LOCKDOWN=y,

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-29 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> NVIDIA is a major pain in the ass with Linux. Which is why I do not >> use them. > Actually this is more Linux being a major pain in the ass to Nvidia. Hmm... I haven't seen any sign that Nvidia suffers much, so I think it's more clearly a pain inflicted on Linux. Stefan

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-29 Thread Kevin Chadwick
29 Oct 2024 17:38:39 Timothy M Butterworth : > NVIDIA is a major pain in the ass with Linux. Which is why I do not > use them. Actually this is more Linux being a major pain in the ass to Nvidia. When secure boot is enabled lockdown is automatically enabled. Really debian should provide an Nvid

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-29 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 6:56 AM Christian wrote: > Hello out there, I have an issue with my new Debian installation. I > choose stable for now, to keep it simple. So used the stable > installation ISO to install Debian on a MSI Z690-A with a Intel Core > I7-14700 and a GeForce RTX 4060Ti. The Nou

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

2024-10-29 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Christian wrote: > [   47.042454] Lockdown: Xorg: raw io port access is restricted; see man > kernel_lockdown.7 > I think it's still SecureBoot, but what is it this time? Can anyone help At least the above log snippet seems to be related to SecureBoot. In https://manpages.debian.org/bookwo

Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

2023-09-13 Thread D. R. Evans
Felix Miata wrote on 9/12/23 11:51: You really should eliminate that xorg.conf file, and if the problem continues, don't assume it's the kernel driver at fault. Just report a bug if so inclined. Where would depend on behavior after removing xorg.conf. If it fixes the problem, there is almost a

Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

2023-09-12 Thread Felix Miata
D. R. Evans composed on 2023-09-12 11:12 (UTC-0600): > Felix Miata wrote: > From the rest of your post, it sounds like everything is as it should be, > except that I should probably remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. And I could > also re-install the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau without effecti

Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

2023-09-12 Thread D. R. Evans
Felix Miata wrote on 9/11/23 19:57: You did it. You made the switch. But see below. (There are multiple components to GPU support in Linux.) (There is no "the" nouveau "driver". Graphics support is in the hands of multiple software components, several of which incorporate the string "nouvea

Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

2023-09-11 Thread Felix Miata
You did it. You made the switch. But see below. (There are multiple components to GPU support in Linux.) (There is no "the" nouveau "driver". Graphics support is in the hands of multiple software components, several of which incorporate the string "nouveau" in naming.) D. R. Evans composed

Re: X-post: Public library wifi oddity, Linux vs Android

2023-08-11 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-08-11, Ottavio Caruso wrote: >> "community" libraries offer free wifi, courtesy (?) of *cough* O2. Tech >> support is non-existent. If it works it works, if it doesn't, tough. >> The last few weeks I noticed wifi performance degrading. Today, I couldn't >> even connect the wifi networ

Re: X coordinates displayed interactively.

2022-06-21 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2022-06-19 18:38:50 +0200, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: > A simple solution would be something like the one described in > > https://askubuntu.com/questions/346913/show-realtime-mouse-cursor-coordinates-cursor-mod-overlay-also-copy-to-c I've added my own, complete solution: xterm -geometry 9x1+

Re: X coordinates displayed interactively.

2022-06-19 Thread Andreas Rönnquist
On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 08:52:02 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: >Hi, > >Is there a X utility which displays coordinates of the mouse pointer >interactively? Updating coordinates constantly as the mouse is moved. > >CADD software does that within the application but I'm interested in >the X display.

Re: X coordinates displayed interactively.

2022-06-19 Thread mick crane
On 2022-06-19 16:52, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: Hi, Is there a X utility which displays coordinates of the mouse pointer interactively? Updating coordinates constantly as the mouse is moved. CADD software does that within the application but I'm interested in the X display. Thx, ..

Re: x-window-manager alternative missing

2021-07-02 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-07-02 at 12:01, Siard wrote: > The Wanderer: > >> What package, or packages, set(s) up the x-window-manager alternative >> and define(s) symlinks for it? > > To set the default x-window-manager, you can use: > ># update-alternatives --config x-window-manager As far as I'm aware, tha

Re: x-window-manager alternative missing

2021-07-02 Thread Siard
The Wanderer: > What package, or packages, set(s) up the x-window-manager alternative > and define(s) symlinks for it? To set the default x-window-manager, you can use: # update-alternatives --config x-window-manager To only see the available (i.e. installed) x-window-managers: $ update-a

Re: x-window-manager alternative missing

2021-07-02 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-07-02 at 11:39, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jul 02, 2021 at 11:14:22AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> What package, or packages, set(s) up the x-window-manager >> alternative and define(s) symlinks for it? > > I take it from the content that I snipped that you're looking for a > list

Re: x-window-manager alternative missing

2021-07-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jul 02, 2021 at 11:14:22AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > What package, or packages, set(s) up the x-window-manager alternative > and define(s) symlinks for it? I take it from the content that I snipped that you're looking for a list of window managers, and not a technical explanation of how

Re: x-window-manager alternative missing

2021-07-02 Thread David Wright
On Fri 02 Jul 2021 at 11:14:22 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > What package, or packages, set(s) up the x-window-manager alternative > and define(s) symlinks for it? > > I'm building a new computer, and setting up my (Debian-based) preferred > configuration on it, and I've just discovered that ther

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-07-01 Thread Dan Ritter
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > > There are a bunch of loonies out there who don't like other > > people based on gender, sex, skin color, religion, geography, or > > merely the fact that their computer is unsecured. > > > > Thanks, I didn't know the word loonies applied to yoursel

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, > If I'm asking for help, I don't want to hear "try this, it's > dangerous" unless all other possibilities have been exhausted. > > If you want to start a thread "dangerous things to do to risk > your data", that's fine. Would you be stuck in something like YOU = ALL OTHER BEING ? Can you le

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] - continue

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, > > > And there's most people on earth who don't give a minute thinking about > this. > > Ask any business manager, he doesn't give much interest in his computer > installation, as long one thing goes, what is it ? That the system > permit core operation for the company and profit conti

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, Note : Sorry Andrei if this message may seem to be wrote directly to you because in fact it's written to all the "you" around who may feel concerned. You got a direct reply because I was replying to your message. Again, this could be something not to be done. On 2021-06-30 7:58 p.m., Andrei

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 30 iun 21, 11:44:42, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > Now here's what will amaze you... > You can do the same with a computer. > Take risk... > Make your computer unusable... Sure, it's a great learning experience. > Type "alias cd=rm -rf" In my opinion it's generally a bad ide

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 30 iun 21, 11:02:43, Thompson, Brian wrote: > > Is this mailing list usually used for philosophical debates, persuasion, and > primitive name-calling? Genuinely curious so that I can unsub if it is. It happens more or less every time during the freeze, as there are less problems to solve

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 30 iun 21, 05:57:19, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > > On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> > >>> I can only hope that one day someone will

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Brian
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 23:40:54 +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2021-06-30 18:56, Brian wrote: > > > > "f" word is very ancient English word which gives added emphasis > > > especially > > > when unexpected > > > Doesn't bother me but as you say is inappropriate on mailing list > > > and I'm > > > s

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread mick crane
On 2021-06-30 18:56, Brian wrote: "f" word is very ancient English word which gives added emphasis especially when unexpected Doesn't bother me but as you say is inappropriate on mailing list and I'm sure it's a one-off. It is inappropriate anywhere in public. You are not bothered by this?

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Joe
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 09:33:37 -0400 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > There's a old saying that state : > "Give someone a fish, feed him for the day, teach him how to fish, > feed him for life". > > That must be something that doesn't apply anymore. It never did. The second clause is

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Brian
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 14:27:16 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: [...] > There are a bunch of loonies... A very nineteenth centrury word. This bunch of people have views that are due to some mental illness? Maybe a touch of empathy would not go unnoticed. [...] -- Brian.

Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

2021-06-30 Thread Brian
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 14:45:57 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > [1] I'm somewhat of a language nerd. I do love all words! Words are words. They exist. So why do they disappear from the language? I would suggest some consideration about using "cretin", "moron" and "lunatic" in public. Their histo

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > > For people that I consider part of my community, I feel a higher > > standard of care is in order. > > > Haven't you ever tried to think of computing as a "no risk involved" > possibility ? > > If I accept that I may risk rendering the system u

Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

2021-06-30 Thread Brian
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 14:45:57 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:31:37PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > > On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > >On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > >[...] > > > > > >>DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Brian
On Wed 30 Jun 2021 at 13:31:37 +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y > > > > > > That was the fucking point. > > > > Calm down.

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-30 11:59 a.m., Dan Ritter wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> Now here's what will amaze you... >> You can do the same with a computer. >> Take risk... >> Make your computer unusable... >> Type "alias cd=rm -rf" >> Open all the ports and get hacked. >> Open all the p

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Thompson, Brian
On 30 Jun 2021, at 10:44, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Hi, To summarize, there are basically two sane approaches to remote X clients: "Two sane approach" ? Okay, there's only two approach YOU believe in. That's it. There's at least a dozen of way to install a X11 network system

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Now here's what will amaze you... > You can do the same with a computer. > Take risk... > Make your computer unusable... > Type "alias cd=rm -rf" > Open all the ports and get hacked. > Open all the ports and not get hacked. > Take risk and loose not much be

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, > > To summarize, there are basically two sane approaches to remote X clients: > "Two sane approach" ? Okay, there's only two approach YOU believe in. That's it. There's at least a dozen of way to install a X11 network system. You don't have any a power to judge other than your own self. Y

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 11:07:24AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 04:35:13PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > BTW: the problematic thing is called "xhost +", not "xhost +x", which > > won't work... > > > > tomas@trotzki:~$ xhost + x > > xhost: bad hostname "x" > > >

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 04:35:13PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > BTW: the problematic thing is called "xhost +", not "xhost +x", which > won't work... > > tomas@trotzki:~$ xhost + x > xhost: bad hostname "x" > > ...unless there's a host in your network named "x" :-) xhost was mentioned b

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 09:16:37AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, [...] > I didn't have in mind any type of murder or long lasting damage of any soft. Still, it's a pretty violent metaphor, I think we can agree on that. And perhaps somewhat off-tone for a mailing list with r

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 09:33:37AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, [...] > I was the stupid and dumb person who started talking about "the classic > way" of authentication using X11. Uh, whatever. I don't think you're stupid. I don't think *you* think you're stupid. So I'm ig

Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, >> [1] I'm somewhat of a language nerd. I do love all words! >> > I too am a language nerd. It is terribly fascinating how a particular > word, regardless of things like history and etymology can come to be > considered a "bad word" all on its own in any context. Other words are > "bad" only

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-06-30 at 09:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-06-30 5:57 a.m., The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> Yes, whatever great idea you have, even if others are wrong in >>> what they say. Nothing justify being r

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-30 5:59 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [...] > >> DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y >> >> That was the fucking point. > > Calm down. I understand security is close to your heart, > but there's no need to b

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-30 5:57 a.m., The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> >>> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> I can only hope that one day someone w

Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

2021-06-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 02:45:57PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:31:37PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > > On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > >On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > >[...] > > > > > >>DO NOT USE xhost + WITH s

Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...]

2021-06-30 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 01:31:37PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > >[...] > > > >>DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y > >> > >>That was the fucking point. > > > >Calm down. I underst

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread mick crane
On 2021-06-30 10:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y That was the fucking point. Calm down. I understand security is close to your heart, but there's no need to be so vitriolic and borderli

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y > > That was the fucking point. Calm down. I understand security is close to your heart, but there's no need to be so vitriolic and borderline insulting about it. There are nicer way

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> >>> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a >>> shovel in the face because yo

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-06-30 at 05:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> >>> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a >>> shovel in the face because yo

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:23:49AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> > >> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a shovel in > >> t

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> >> I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a shovel in >> the face because you said something wrong. This will be a great day and >> you'll get back what

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 29 iun 21, 17:08:16, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > I can only hope that one day someone will knock you off with a shovel in > the face because you said something wrong. This will be a great day and > you'll get back what you serve to others. Seriously? > This is a figure of

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-30 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 29 iun 21, 04:56:55, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > On 2021-06-28 11:13 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > (Avoid ANY proposed solution that talks about xhost. Seriously.) > > > Yes, solutions using xhost maybe a bit a pain in the ass but they are > also some of the nice one th

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi my friend, On 2021-06-29 4:58 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:46:48PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> I've read back the whole series of message and no one ever said anything >> that is somewhat possible to be interpreted as >> using xhost +x with SSH

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:46:48PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > I've read back the whole series of message and no one ever said anything > that is somewhat possible to be interpreted as > using xhost +x with SSH -X https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/06/msg00900.html

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, >> that's how you learned things back in the early 1990s, that's your right, >> but I hope you will at least point out how INCREDIBLY INSECURE this is, > > I never said in no situation something like "use xhost +". > The same way as I never said to unblock all the ports on your router or > to

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-29 2:43 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > DO NOT USE xhost + WITH ssh -X OR ssh -Y > > That was the fucking point. WoW... Take it *easy* there... > Now, if you want to advocate that people should use xhost + because I never talked about xhost myself. And the only thing I said was that

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Lucas Castro
Jesus h Em 29 de junho de 2021 15:58:49 BRT, "Andrew M.A. Cater" escreveu: >On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > On 2021-06-29 1:27 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater >wrote: >> > >> ssh -Y is similar to ss

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 02:43:28PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On 2021-06-29 1:27 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > >> ssh -Y is similar to ssh -X but does some authentication - yuu don't have > > >> to use xhost+ or similar.

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
> On 2021-06-29 1:27 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > >> ssh -Y is similar to ssh -X but does some authentication - yuu don't have > >> to use xhost+ or similar. > > > > You don't use xhost with ssh -X, either. At least, not expli

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-29 1:27 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> ssh -Y is similar to ssh -X but does some authentication - yuu don't have >> to use xhost+ or similar. > > You don't use xhost with ssh -X, either. At least, not explicitly.

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 04:33:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > ssh -Y is similar to ssh -X but does some authentication - yuu don't have > to use xhost+ or similar. You don't use xhost with ssh -X, either. At least, not explicitly. ssh takes care of that for you. In fact, on Debian, ssh -X

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 12:13:53PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-06-29 5:52 a.m., IL Ka wrote: > > > > > > There's plenty of book you can find by searching on Google with the > > subject "X11 architecture" or something similar. > > > > There is a classi

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-29 5:52 a.m., IL Ka wrote: > > > There's plenty of book you can find by searching on Google with the > subject "X11 architecture" or something similar. > > There is a classic "Definitive Guides to the X Window System" series. > https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/x-windo

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread IL Ka
> > > > There's plenty of book you can find by searching on Google with the > subject "X11 architecture" or something similar. > > There is a classic "Definitive Guides to the X Window System" series. https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/x-windows-system/9780937175835/ Also https://www.oreilly.com/

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-29 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-28 11:13 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:46:01PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> On 2021-06-28 10:12 p.m., Rick Thomas wrote: >>> I'd love to be able to do that! E.g. a headless machine with plenty of RAM >>> and CPU power to run Mate, b

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:46:01PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-06-28 10:12 p.m., Rick Thomas wrote: > > I'd love to be able to do that! E.g. a headless machine with plenty of RAM > > and CPU power to run Mate, but located in a locked building on the other > > side of

Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer]

2021-06-28 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-06-28 10:12 p.m., Rick Thomas wrote: > On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote: >>> X clients like MATE don't directly depend on an X server, because in >>> theory, the X server could be on a different machine. > > I'd love to be able to do that! E.g. a headless machine

Re: X starting but nothing shows on the screen

2020-07-10 Thread Tony Rowe
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Re: X starting but nothing shows on the screen

2020-07-10 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
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Re: X starting but nothing shows on the screen

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Re: X starting but nothing shows on the screen

2020-07-06 Thread Sven Joachim
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Re: X framebuffer problem on AMD Picasso

2020-04-13 Thread Klaus Jantzen
On 4/12/20 2:47 AM, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I haven't posted for a long time! I just successfully did my first UEFI installation. It's a new AMD machine with.  X is failing to start.  I have solved a number of related problems within online information including finding the firmware-amd-graphi

Re: X framebuffer problem on AMD Picasso [fixed]

2020-04-12 Thread Paul Scott
On 4/12/20 11:23 AM, Paul Scott wrote: On 4/12/20 3:10 AM, Paul Scott wrote: On 4/11/2020 5:47 PM, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I haven't posted for a long time! I just successfully did my first UEFI installation. It's a new AMD machine with.  X is failing to start.  I have solved a number of rela

Re: X framebuffer problem on AMD Picasso [fixed]

2020-04-12 Thread Paul Scott
On 4/12/20 3:10 AM, Paul Scott wrote: On 4/11/2020 5:47 PM, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I haven't posted for a long time! I just successfully did my first UEFI installation. It's a new AMD machine with.  X is failing to start.  I have solved a number of related problems within online information i

Re: X framebuffer problem on AMD Picasso [fixed]

2020-04-12 Thread Paul Scott
On 4/11/2020 5:47 PM, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I haven't posted for a long time! I just successfully did my first UEFI installation. It's a new AMD machine with.  X is failing to start.  I have solved a number of related problems within online information including finding the firmware-amd-grap

Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives

2020-04-06 Thread Nicolas George
Andrei POPESCU (12020-04-06): > Probably a case of competing standards. That, and a case of gambit pileup when software try to be smart, to out-smart the other software implementing the other standards to make them interact with their own, while the other software do exactly the same, and end up b

Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives

2020-04-06 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 06 apr 20, 09:46:50, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-06, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >> This is getting well beyond Debian, but why would GNU/Linux in general have > >> so many overlapping ways to register default applications? > > > > Probably a case of competing standards. > > Seems more like t

Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives

2020-04-06 Thread Curt
On 2020-04-06, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> This is getting well beyond Debian, but why would GNU/Linux in general have >> so many overlapping ways to register default applications? > > Probably a case of competing standards. Seems more like the distinction between a user-defined preference (*Prefe

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