Re: wireless broadband providers exist

Jeff writes: > I would probably contact the FCC and see what their [the FTC] position > is when a city attempts to grant a monopoly to a service provider. Cities can decide who they allow to string cables over or under their streets. They can't regulate radio, though. > It does not affect your d

Re: wireless broadband providers exist

pocket writes: > wireless "high-speed" Internet access is prohibited as stated in the > agreement (made in the year 1995) between city council and time warner > who was bought out by charter/spectrum That's binding on the city government, not on you. In the USA the city can deny a wireless provid

Re: wireless broadband providers exist

On 12/20/23 20:45, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:04 PM Pocket wrote: On 12/20/23 19:48, The Wanderer wrote: On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high sp

Re: wireless broadband providers exist

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:04 PM Pocket wrote: > > > On 12/20/23 19:48, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: > > Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > > Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high > speed internet in the area I res

Re: wireless broadband providers exist

On 12/20/23 20:28, Felix Miata wrote: Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 19:55 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high speed internet in the area I reside in. That's how it was where I l

Re: wireless broadband providers exist

Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 19:55 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): >>> Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high >>> speed internet in the area I reside in. That's how it was where I live now when I moved here, whe

Re: wireless broadband providers exist

On 12/20/23 19:48, The Wanderer wrote: On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high speed internet in the area I reside in. No other providers are allowed. That could be a hi

Re: wireless broadband providers exist

On 12/20/23 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high speed internet in the area I reside in. No other providers are allowed. That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where y

Re: wireless broadband providers exist

On 2023-12-20 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote: > Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > >> Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high >> speed internet in the area I reside in. >> >> No other providers are allowed. > > That could be a historical concept, depen

Re: wireless broadband providers exist (was: lists)

Pocket composed on 2023-12-20 17:55 (UTC-0500): > Actually I can not change as the ISP has exclusive rights to the high > speed internet in the area I reside in. > > No other providers are allowed. That could be a historical concept, depending exactly on where you live. Some of us mericans who

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

Am Freitag, dem 14.07.2023 um 21:52 +0200 schrieb zithro: > On 14 Jul 2023 10:53, Joe wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 09:27:12 +0200 > > Bruno Kleinert wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm looking for a wireless way to measure temperature and humidity > > > indoor with hardware off the shelf a

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

I was just researching this myself a couple of days ago, and spent several hours going down a rabbit hole. It seems that many folks are going the way of using an open source solution, Home Assistant (aka, HA), (https://www.home-assistant.io/). Even to the point where I found that folks that used t

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

zithro wrote: > On 14 Jul 2023 10:53, Joe wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 09:27:12 +0200 > > Bruno Kleinert wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'm looking for a wireless way to measure temperature and humidity > >> indoor with hardware off the shelf and software included in Debian > >> 12 bookwor

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:52:01 +0200 zithro wrote: > > Joe, out of curiosity, what are you using to display the graphs ? > If you didn't read above, I'm using jpgraph, a PHP lib. > Basic stuff, Imagick which is a PHP binding to some ImageMagick functions. -- Joe

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

On 14 Jul 2023 10:53, Joe wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 09:27:12 +0200 Bruno Kleinert wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a wireless way to measure temperature and humidity indoor with hardware off the shelf and software included in Debian 12 bookworm. Sensors --> Radio --> Receiver --> Any typical P

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2023 14 Jul 02:37 -0500, Bruno Kleinert wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm looking for a wireless way to measure temperature and humidity > > indoor with hardware off the shelf and software included in Debian > > 12 bookworm. > > Off the shelf the Davis Vantage Pro 2 is

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 3:37 AM Bruno Kleinert wrote: > > I'm looking for a wireless way to measure temperature and humidity indoor > with hardware off the shelf and software included in Debian 12 bookworm. > > Sensors --> Radio --> Receiver --> Any typical PC interface, e.g., USB, > Ethernet. >

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

* On 2023 14 Jul 02:37 -0500, Bruno Kleinert wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking for a wireless way to measure temperature and humidity > indoor with hardware off the shelf and software included in Debian 12 > bookworm. Off the shelf the Davis Vantage Pro 2 is probably one of the most popular. I hav

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

On 14/7/23 15:27, Bruno Kleinert wrote: Do you have any hardware recommendations and can you share experience? The big problem is power at the collection point. Some people use a solar panel and batteries but other options are available Once you know your power budget you can use a variet

Re: Wireless temperature & humidity measurement

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 09:27:12 +0200 Bruno Kleinert wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking for a wireless way to measure temperature and humidity > indoor with hardware off the shelf and software included in Debian 12 > bookworm. > > Sensors --> Radio --> Receiver --> Any typical PC interface, e.g., > U

Re: Wireless card driver bug

Hi Maximiliano 10.09.2022 19:46 tarihinde Maximiliano Estudies yazdı: I want to use the reportbug feature but I don't know which package I should enter. Anyone else having similar issues? My system settings: Linux version 5.18.0-4-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc-11 (Debian 11.3.0-5

Re: Wireless card driver bug

On 9/10/22 19:46, Maximiliano Estudies wrote: Hi, I seem to have hit a bug with the wireless card driver of my laptop. This happened twice already, my laptop became unresponsive and I couldn't issue any sudo commands. After hard rebooting the laptop I see this entries in the syslog: Sep 10 14:5

Re: Wireless Connectivity - Hot Spot vs Corp

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Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Ma, 06 aug 19, 08:34:20, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 06 Aug 2019 at 08:44:41 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 05 aug 19, 14:55:11, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > I think it's made clear in the tomás quotation, about 18 lines above > > > Richard's citation of the same. Regardless, the

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Tue 06 Aug 2019 at 08:44:41 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 05 aug 19, 14:55:11, David Wright wrote: > > > > I think it's made clear in the tomás quotation, about 18 lines above > > Richard's citation of the same. Regardless, the OP is connecting two > > machines (requiring firmware) ru

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Lu, 05 aug 19, 14:55:11, David Wright wrote: > > I think it's made clear in the tomás quotation, about 18 lines above > Richard's citation of the same. Regardless, the OP is connecting two > machines (requiring firmware) running DEs on stretch, and has an > 8-port switch lying around too, so no

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Mon 05 Aug 2019 at 12:43:20 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, August 04, 2019 11:16:09 AM Richard Hector wrote: > > On 5/08/19 12:07 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 12:58:14PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > > >> what sort of cable ? > > >> If ethernet, machine

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Sunday, August 04, 2019 11:16:09 AM Richard Hector wrote: > On 5/08/19 12:07 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 12:58:14PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > >> what sort of cable ? > >> If ethernet, machine to machine directly seem to recall you might > >> want a cross over cable.

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On 5/08/19 12:07 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 12:58:14PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > >> what sort of cable ? >> If ethernet, machine to machine directly seem to recall you might >> want a cross over cable. >> Can chop cable in two and connect the >> red to green, >> green t

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Sun, Aug 04, 2019 at 12:58:14PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > what sort of cable ? > If ethernet, machine to machine directly seem to recall you might > want a cross over cable. > Can chop cable in two and connect the > red to green, > green to red, > red stripy to green stripy > green stripy to r

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On 2019-07-29 17:56, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/29/2019 10:51 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/29/2019 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: [snip] Since your machines are very close together, take a look at USB to USB networking. Did ;} One of the first things I thought of as I date back days of

3 phase power converters (was: Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?))

Just wanted to mention for anyone that might need 3 phase power in a home environment, there are ways to convert 120/240 "single phase" power to, for example, 208 or 480 volt 3 phase power if you have a need and don't require too much horsepower, and at a cost of much less than the $20,000 that

Re: Useful links - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 10:39:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 10:26:34 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: [A lot of snipping] > > For current situation WEP (though antique/limited) is adequate. > > What happened to "A concern is security issues" above? The OP acknowledges the d

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On 2019-08-03 19:10, Joe wrote: Three phases allows lower currents in the cables than a single-phase motor of the same power, and can run on three wires only, without the need for a neutral wire. There's no need for any 'syncing'. In a three-phase power system, the voltage between two phases is

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Sat, 03 Aug 2019 17:28:24 +0100 mick crane wrote: > On 2019-07-30 13:30, Matthew Crews wrote: > > On 7/29/19 12:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > >> On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 20:43:04 (+0100), Joe wrote: > >>> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:26:14 -0500 John Hasler > >>> wrote: > >>> > They don't h

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On 2019-07-30 13:30, Matthew Crews wrote: On 7/29/19 12:57 PM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 20:43:04 (+0100), Joe wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:26:14 -0500 John Hasler wrote: They don't have to be on the same branch circuit: just on the same "phase"[1]. There is probably a gad

Re: Useful links - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Sb, 03 aug 19, 10:26:34, Richard Owlett wrote: > > For current situation WEP (though antique/limited) is adequate. WEP is known to be crackable, since years ago. I'm guessing with current hardware it should be quite easy. > > Why not just buy an inexpensive wireless router? > > That questi

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 22:09:45 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/29/2019 04:08 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 11:56:25 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 07/29/2019 10:51 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > On 07/29/2019 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > [snip] >

Re: Useful links - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 10:26:34 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 08/03/2019 09:53 AM, Lee wrote: > > On 8/3/19, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 07/29/2019 05:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > Sneakernet for file transfer has become annoying. > > > > Ethernet is undesirable in my environment so

Re: Useful links - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 08:18:13 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/29/2019 05:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > Sneakernet for file transfer has become annoying. > > Ethernet is undesirable in my environment so I am only interested > > is wireless. > > I have only a few machines a max of 6' apart

Re: Useful links - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On 08/03/2019 09:53 AM, Lee wrote: On 8/3/19, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/29/2019 05:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Sneakernet for file transfer has become annoying. Ethernet is undesirable in my environment so I am only interested is wireless. I have only a few machines a max of 6' apart. My us

Re: Useful links - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On 8/3/19, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/29/2019 05:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> Sneakernet for file transfer has become annoying. >> Ethernet is undesirable in my environment so I am only interested is >> wireless. >> I have only a few machines a max of 6' apart. >> My usage would typically be

Useful links - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On 07/29/2019 05:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Sneakernet for file transfer has become annoying. Ethernet is undesirable in my environment so I am only interested is wireless. I have only a few machines a max of 6' apart. My usage would typically be peer-to-peer but I want to communicate betwee

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:01:40 +0100 Joe wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:06:08 -0400 > Celejar wrote: > > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:57:25 +0300 > > Reco wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > WPA2's (that's your conventional WiFi standard) secure > > > configuration is fiendishly difficult. > > > > I

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 09:32:32 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:30:05PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > > > You have authentication frames that can be intercepted (so WPA > > > > > > > passphrase can be bruteforced). > > > > > > > > > > > > Lots of things (such as TLS, ssh) can theore

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 10:50:00 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 09:41:30AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Jo, 01 aug 19, 09:32:32, Reco wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:30:05PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, that is what I do (guest network, networ

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Thursday 01 August 2019 13:06:41 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, August 01, 2019 09:41:45 AM David Wright wrote: > > Like a real locomotive, genuine '2-phase' electrical power has one > > phase leading the other by 90°, and motors powered by it will be > > self-starting. (Steam locomot

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 12:48:32 -0400 Doug McGarrett wrote: > On 07/31/2019 09:08 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > An update | correction | recollection ;-) > > > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:34:43 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I have seen diagrams in NEC code books for a different arrangem

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

Hmm. And as anybody old enough to have grown up on "Emergency!" (and to remember a rescue involving a worker caught in a vinyl record press), if you reverse any two of the three hot wires on a 3-phase motor, you reverse the direction of rotation. Which caused a rather amusing malfunction at th

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On 07/31/2019 09:08 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: An update | correction | recollection ;-) On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:34:43 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen diagrams in NEC code books for a different arrangement to get 120 volt 3 phase power, but I don't recall ever actually encou

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Thu 01 Aug 2019 at 13:06:41 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, August 01, 2019 09:41:45 AM David Wright wrote: > > Like a real locomotive, genuine '2-phase' electrical power has one > > phase leading the other by 90°, and motors powered by it will be > > self-starting. (Steam loco

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Thursday, August 01, 2019 09:41:45 AM David Wright wrote: > Like a real locomotive, genuine '2-phase' electrical power has one > phase leading the other by 90°, and motors powered by it will be > self-starting. (Steam locomotives have double-acting pistons, so they > can choose the direction of

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

rhkra...@gmail.com writes: > An update | correction | recollection ;-) > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:34:43 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I have seen diagrams in NEC code books for a different arrangement to > get > > 120 volt 3 phase power, but I don't recall ever actually encountering > t

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Tue 30 Jul 2019 at 11:34:43 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > […] > The key thing is that those hot wires are carrying power that is 120 degrees > out of phase with the other two wires. (One of the key advantages of this > arrangement is that it makes it easy to create a rotating magnetic

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

Michael Stone writes: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 02:15:44PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 30 Jul 2019 at 08:49:43 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 08:46:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 18:00:25 (-0400), Gene Heskett wr

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

Hi. On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 09:41:30AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 01 aug 19, 09:32:32, Reco wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:30:05PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > > Well, that is what I do (guest network, network for devices that don't > > > support 802.11ac), and it doe

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Jo, 01 aug 19, 09:32:32, Reco wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:30:05PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > Well, that is what I do (guest network, network for devices that don't > > support 802.11ac), and it does add some complexity, but I wouldn't > > call it "fiendishly difficult" - I don't have

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:30:05PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > > You have authentication frames that can be intercepted (so WPA > > > > > > passphrase can be bruteforced). > > > > > > > > > > Lots of things (such as TLS, ssh) can theoretically be brute forced - > > > > > the question is whethe

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:35:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:44:23 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 02:32:25PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 31 Jul 2019 at 16:07:33 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote:

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

rhkramer writes: > Oh, wow, how quickly I forget -- I did encounter systems like that, > often for lighting in industrial applications, And, further, iirc, we > could (and did) buy and install florescent light (and maybe HID?) > fixtures designed to work on 208 volts, which we connected phase to >

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:44:23 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 02:32:25PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 31 Jul 2019 at 16:07:33 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > mathematical analysis of how much hardware would be necessary t

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:23:40 +1200 Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > On 01/08/2019 01:44, Reco wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 02:32:25PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >> On Wed 31 Jul 2019 at 16:07:33 +0300, Reco wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > mathematical analy

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:07:33 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:43:48 +0300 > > Reco wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 07:06:08PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:57

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On 01/08/2019 01:44, Reco wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 02:32:25PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Wed 31 Jul 2019 at 16:07:33 +0300, Reco wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: mathematical analysis of how much hardware would be necessary to crack a good WPA2 password. I've s

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

An update | correction | recollection ;-) On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:34:43 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I have seen diagrams in NEC code books for a different arrangement to get > 120 volt 3 phase power, but I don't recall ever actually encountering that > in real life. Oh, wow, how quickly

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Mi, 31 iul 19, 04:43:31, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > > >> You have several encryption algorithms, but: > >> a) They are not equally good. > > Of course not - they never are ;) The trick is to pick a good one, and for > > wifi, that's WPA2 using AES. > > Indeed, if one uses AES instead of PSK then

RE: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

Helllo Celejar, >> WPA2's (that's your conventional WiFi standard) secure configuration >> is fiendishly difficult. > I take your point, but "fiendishly difficult"? I think you're exaggerating. I think so too, WPA2 has been around for a rather long time and all software knows about it. >> You

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 02:32:25PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Wed 31 Jul 2019 at 16:07:33 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > mathematical analysis of how much hardware would be necessary to crack > > > a good WPA2 password. I've seen lots of sites

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed 31 Jul 2019 at 16:07:33 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > mathematical analysis of how much hardware would be necessary to crack > > a good WPA2 password. I've seen lots of sites explaining how to use > > hashcat with a GPU, and various real-w

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

Hi. On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 07:58:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:43:48 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 07:06:08PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:57:25 +0300 > > > Reco wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > WPA2

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:43:48 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 07:06:08PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:57:25 +0300 > > Reco wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > WPA2's (that's your conventional WiFi standard) secure configuration is > > > fiendishly difficu

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:47:13 +1000 Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 30.07.19 11:34, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Most residential power in the US is created using a single phase > > transformer (so called because (1) it only takes power from one of > > the 3 phases mentioned above and (2) darn -- i

Re: 3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On 30.07.19 11:34, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Most residential power in the US is created using a single phase transformer > (so called because (1) it only takes power from one of the 3 phases mentioned > above and (2) darn -- it's a bitch getting old. Tell me about it. ;-) I'd offer that (2) i

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

Hi. On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 07:06:08PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:57:25 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > ... > > > WPA2's (that's your conventional WiFi standard) secure configuration is > > fiendishly difficult. > > I take your point, but "fiendishly difficult"? I think yo

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:06:08 -0400 Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:57:25 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > ... > > > WPA2's (that's your conventional WiFi standard) secure > > configuration is fiendishly difficult. > > I take your point, but "fiendishly difficult"? I think you're > exaggerat

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:57:25 +0300 Reco wrote: ... > WPA2's (that's your conventional WiFi standard) secure configuration is > fiendishly difficult. I take your point, but "fiendishly difficult"? I think you're exaggerating. > You have beacon frames that are broadcasted without any encryption

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Tue 30 Jul 2019 at 20:25:11 (+0100), Joe wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:15:44 -0500 David Wright > wrote: > > > > ¹ Ignorance of the law is no defence, but it can be expensive > > to obtain something like the building regs in the UK. > > Whereas your local library should have a current copy

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Tue 30 Jul 2019 at 15:41:50 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: [snip] > Why would having different phases on different circuits be a problem? > It's pretty common IMO, because you want the load balanced between > them. (Unless the concern is that the crazy UK circuit loops will get > crosswired?) I

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 02:15:44PM -0500, David Wright wrote: On Tue 30 Jul 2019 at 08:49:43 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 08:46:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 18:00:25 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 29 July 2019 17:26:17 ghe wrote: >

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:15:44 -0500 David Wright wrote: > > ¹ Ignorance of the law is no defence, but it can be expensive > to obtain something like the building regs in the UK. Whereas your local library should have a current copy of the Wiring Regulations. I rewired my first house at sixteen,

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Tue 30 Jul 2019 at 08:49:43 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 08:46:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 18:00:25 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Monday 29 July 2019 17:26:17 ghe wrote: > > > > On 7/29/19 1:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > > > Irr

3 phase power (was Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

I was trained as an electrical engineer, and I'd love to be able to clarify the situation, I'm not sure I can without using far too many words. 3 phase power (around the world as far as I know) consists of (usually) 3 wires carrying electrical power at a given frequency (in the US, 60 Hz., in s

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Tue 30 Jul 2019 at 14:30:50 (+0200), Matthew Crews wrote: > On 7/29/19 12:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 20:43:04 (+0100), Joe wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:26:14 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > >> > >>> They don't have to be on the same branch circuit: just on the same >

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On Tuesday 30 July 2019 08:30:50 Matthew Crews wrote: > On 7/29/19 12:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 20:43:04 (+0100), Joe wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:26:14 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > >>> They don't have to be on the same branch circuit: just on the same > >>> "phase

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

Matthew writes: > In the US most 240V outlets are 3 phase... They are 240 V center-tap grounded. That is what is provisioned to most residences in the USA, usually from a single-phase transformer on a pole (or on a pad if distribution is underground). 120 V branch circuits are distributed equal

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 08:46:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote: On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 18:00:25 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 29 July 2019 17:26:17 ghe wrote: > On 7/29/19 1:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > > Irrelevant in a domestic setting: it's illegal to have more than one > > phase in an

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Erik writes: > Here in Australia we also have only "240v", generally closer to 230v > nowadays, and domestic 3 phase is no big deal, just a couple of > thousand dollars more, as it's just a 3 phase cable, 3 fuses on the > pole instead of 1... In low density areas in the USA there isn't always thre

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On 7/29/19 12:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 20:43:04 (+0100), Joe wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:26:14 -0500 John Hasler wrote: >> >>> They don't have to be on the same branch circuit: just on the same >>> "phase"[1]. There is probably a gadget available that bridges the >>

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On 29.07.19 20:46, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 18:00:25 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 29 July 2019 17:26:17 ghe wrote: > > > > > On 7/29/19 1:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > > Irrelevant in a domestic setting: it's illegal to have more than one > > > > phase in an ord

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

Dan Ritter wrote: > These operate at extremely low speed and are generally a > terrible choice. > > However, you have a history of trying to avoid the good > decisions that people steer you towards, so I encourage you to > give Bluetooth a miss entirely and go for an infrared LAN with > a ceiling

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:46:36 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 18:00:25 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 29 July 2019 17:26:17 ghe wrote: > > > > > On 7/29/19 1:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > > Irrelevant in a domestic setting: it's illegal to have more > > > > th

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On 07/29/2019 04:08 PM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 11:56:25 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/29/2019 10:51 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/29/2019 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: [snip] Since your machines are very close together, take a look at USB to USB networking. Did

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Monday, July 29, 2019 09:34:25 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > john doe wrote: > > What about Powerline (PLC), any better then Wireless with regard to > > security? > > All the useful Powerline devices are either connected to your > hosts via WiFi or ethernet, so that leaves them out. > > In a single-f

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 18:00:25 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 29 July 2019 17:26:17 ghe wrote: > > > On 7/29/19 1:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > Irrelevant in a domestic setting: it's illegal to have more than one > > > phase in an ordinary house. > > > > FYI, and significantly OT: > >

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On Monday 29 July 2019 17:26:17 ghe wrote: > On 7/29/19 1:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > > Irrelevant in a domestic setting: it's illegal to have more than one > > phase in an ordinary house. > > FYI, and significantly OT: > > I don't think that's true in the US. Not in Austin, Texas anyway. > Sever

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On 7/29/19 1:57 PM, David Wright wrote: > Irrelevant in a domestic setting: it's illegal to have more than one > phase in an ordinary house. FYI, and significantly OT: I don't think that's true in the US. Not in Austin, Texas anyway. Several years ago I knew a woman down there who said she had

Re: PROGRESS!! - was {Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?}

On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 11:56:25 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/29/2019 10:51 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 07/29/2019 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > [snip] > > > Since your machines are very close together, take a look at USB to USB > > > networking. > > > > Did ;} One of the firs

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 21:02:45 (+0100), Joe wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:57:38 -0500 David Wright > wrote: > > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 20:43:04 (+0100), Joe wrote: > > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:26:14 -0500 John Hasler > > > wrote: > > > > They don't have to be on the same branch circuit: just

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 10:26:14 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > They don't have to be on the same branch circuit: just on the same > "phase"[1]. There is probably a gadget available that bridges the > signal between phases. > > [1] They aren't really phases but everyone calls them that. Yes, the po

Re: Wireless home LAN - WiFi vs Bluetooth?

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:57:38 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Mon 29 Jul 2019 at 20:43:04 (+0100), Joe wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:26:14 -0500 John Hasler > > wrote: > > > They don't have to be on the same branch circuit: just on the same > > > "phase"[1]. There is probably a gadget availa

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