On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 06:38:04AM +0200, Borden wrote:
> > In fact, annoying volunteers tends to reduce their voluntarism...
>
> That's fair. But people age [...]
Folks, I'm out of this discussion anyway, but please: change
your subject line.
Be considerate towards the original poster and don't
> In fact, annoying volunteers tends to reduce their voluntarism...
That's fair. But people age and, if they're any good at what they do, have less
time to volunteer as they get busier and promote through their career.
So how do you encourage new volunteers to join and replace veterans? How do y
On 9/30/21, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 08:46:35PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>>Do you really mean that in the open source world, there is - and should
>>be - no expectation that a contributor who supplies a patch to a
>>prominent public project that is rejected should receive at
On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 08:46:35PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
Do you really mean that in the open source world, there is - and should
be - no expectation that a contributor who supplies a patch to a
prominent public project that is rejected should receive at least some
sort of explanation for the deci
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 03:50:35AM +0200, Borden wrote:
> >>
> >> You really should consider stopping to reply and leave things as they
> >> are.
> >
> >I agree, it's time to stop this thread, I am satisfied with things how they
> >are.
>
> And nobody's learnt anything [...]
Yes, I, at least, le
>>
>> You really should consider stopping to reply and leave things as they
>> are.
>
>I agree, it's time to stop this thread, I am satisfied with things how they
>are.
And nobody's learnt anything. The overwhelming consensus is that the class
system works and that anyone who thinks otherwise is
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 16:34:43 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 07:10:08AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
...
> > or at least consider it
> >and have the courtesy to tell me why they can't or won't accept the
> >patch.
>
> I'm sorry, neither the Xen maintainers nor any ot
On 9/28/2021 11:34 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 07:10:08AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
As the original poster, I can say this hits the nail on the head.
Most definitely, Andy Smith and others claim a right to call
newcomers like me a laughingstock, damned, etc., on the
On 9/28/2021 10:23 AM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
Chuck Zmudzinski wrote on 28/09/2021 at 13:10:08+0200:
On 9/27/2021 9:18 PM, Borden wrote:
I sympathise with your frustrations.
The open source "community" - especially Debian - is not known for
its civility. There have been numerous article
Borden wrote:
> Empathy is the ability to step outside your own experience to see the
> world from someone else's perspective. It's an evolved human attribute
> that separates us from other animals, I've read.
Well, still your perception is quite different than someone else. For me
debian user is
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 07:10:08AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
As the original poster, I can say this hits the nail on the head. Most
definitely, Andy Smith and others claim a right to call newcomers like
me a laughingstock, damned, etc., on the basis of their supposed
god-like status.
...
> We must live in different worlds, then.
Unless you're writing from the multiverse (in which case there are many people
who _really_ want to meet you), we live in very much the same world. Empathy is
the ability to step outside your own experience to see the world from someone
else's perspect
Chuck Zmudzinski wrote on 28/09/2021 at 13:10:08+0200:
> On 9/27/2021 9:18 PM, Borden wrote:
>> I sympathise with your frustrations.
>>
>> The open source "community" - especially Debian - is not known for
>> its civility. There have been numerous articles (and backlashes)
>> identifying the ram
On 9/27/2021 9:18 PM, Borden wrote:
I sympathise with your frustrations.
The open source "community" - especially Debian - is not known for its
civility. There have been numerous articles (and backlashes) identifying the rampant
misogyny, racism, arrogance, murder and general rudeness amongst
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 03:18:56AM +0200, Borden wrote:
> I sympathise with your frustrations.
>
> The open source "community" - especially Debian - is not known for its
> civility [...]
We must live in different worlds, then.
Things go wrong from time to time, but we keep trying. Intervening in
I sympathise with your frustrations.
The open source "community" - especially Debian - is not known for its
civility. There have been numerous articles (and backlashes) identifying the
rampant misogyny, racism, arrogance, murder and general rudeness amongst its
members and leaders. If you're ex
rhkra...@gmail.com writes:
On Sunday, September 26, 2021 08:45:13 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 07:00:06AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD,
> > but without explaining what it meant -- those sites that
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 07:51:18PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
Ahh, looking harder, apparently means: For Avoidance Of Doubt (chiefly
British)
It certainly clarified things. :-D
On 9/25/21 5:10 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2021-09-25 at 20:00, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 07:51:18PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 07:43:04 PM rhkra...@gmail.com
wrote:
I had to look up the meaning of FAOD. Are you kidding me? What
di
On 2021-09-26 at 08:45, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 07:00:06AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD, but
>> without explaining what it meant -- those sites that you have to actually go
>> to to find the mea
On Sunday, September 26, 2021 08:45:13 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 07:00:06AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD,
> > but without explaining what it meant -- those sites that you have to
> > actually go to
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 07:00:06AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD, but
> without explaining what it meant -- those sites that you have to actually go
> to to find the meaning. I skipped over those to find a hit that actual
On 9/26/2021 7:28 AM, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
On 9/26/2021 7:18 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:58:44 PM Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
I am truly sorry, are there second chances in the Debian Community?
I hope and trust so -- I've had to make use of them more than on
On 9/26/2021 7:18 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:58:44 PM Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
I am truly sorry, are there second chances in the Debian Community?
I hope and trust so -- I've had to make use of them more than once ;-)
... That is why defamation is not the
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:58:44 PM Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> I am truly sorry, are there second chances in the Debian Community?
I hope and trust so -- I've had to make use of them more than once ;-)
> ... That is why defamation is not the only
> issue to discuss here. The other is priva
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 08:10:31 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> rhkramer correctly identified it in the most recent reply: "For
> Avoidance of Doubt". It hadn't occurred to me that it wouldn't be
> readily recognizable in these circles, or that Google wouldn't find it
> easily. (I may actually be
On 2021-09-25 at 20:00, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 07:51:18PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 07:43:04 PM rhkra...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>> I had to look up the meaning of FAOD. Are you kidding me? What
>>> did I do or say to get a respo
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 07:51:18PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 07:43:04 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 25, 2021 06:32:16 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> > > FAOD,
> >
> > I had to look up the meaning of FAOD. Are you kidding me? What did I
On 2021-09-25 at 19:51, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 07:43:04 PM rhkra...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 06:32:16 PM The Wanderer wrote:
>>> FAOD,
>>
>> I had to look up the meaning of FAOD. Are you kidding me? What
>> did I do or say to
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 07:43:04 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 06:32:16 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> > FAOD,
>
> I had to look up the meaning of FAOD. Are you kidding me? What did I do
> or say to get a response like that?
>
> I may have misunderstood which
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 06:32:16 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-09-25 at 09:06, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, September 24, 2021 05:31:47 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> >> Based on what I've found in digging earlier, as well as the name
> >> mentioned by Andy Smith in his reply, I th
On 2021-09-25 at 09:06, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 05:31:47 PM The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> Based on what I've found in digging earlier, as well as the name
>> mentioned by Andy Smith in his reply, I think it's probably
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?b
Chuck,
I’ve been following this email thread. I’m a nobody here but: you can’t
change the past but you control the future. People make mistakes in how
things are handled. But you can avoid them in the future.
I say this as an extrovert in a senior IT position and I've been known to
be “animated”
On 9/25/2021 10:02 AM, Andy Smith wrote:
Hello,
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 09:06:34AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, September 24, 2021 05:31:47 PM The Wanderer wrote:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994899 - specifically.
the first reply (comment 10).
[…]
I've r
Hello,
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 09:06:34AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 05:31:47 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994899 - specifically.
> > the first reply (comment 10).
[…]
> I've read over message #5, and without b
On Friday, September 24, 2021 05:31:47 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> Based on what I've found in digging earlier, as well as the name
> mentioned by Andy Smith in his reply, I think it's probably
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994899 - specifically.
> the first reply (comment 10).
On 9/24/21 05:45, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the
> Debian bug tracking system which is hosted
> on a public, Debian website in response to a
> bug report I made.
>
> Since Debian's policy is to keep everything
> on its website public, and I was told every
The Wanderer writes:
> On 2021-09-24 at 14:00, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>> Chuck Zmudzinski writes:
>>
>>> I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the Debian bug tracking
>>> system which is hosted on a public, Debian website in response to
>>> a bug report I made.
>>
>> Bug number?
>
> Based on
Joe Pfeiffer schrieb:
> Bug number?
994899
Are you still at it?
Have you not heard of the Streisand effect?
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On 2021-09-24 at 14:00, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Chuck Zmudzinski writes:
>
>> I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the Debian bug tracking
>> system which is hosted on a public, Debian website in response to
>> a bug report I made.
>
> Bug number?
Based on what I've found in digging earlier,
Hello,
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 03:34:28PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> My question though is, can emails be deleted from the debian
> archive of the mailing list (and comments from the debian bug
> list?)?
I've seen spam emails deleted from the list archives and from bug
logs; there is even
Hello Chuck Zmudzinski.
On 24/09/2021 18:37, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
However, if Debian refuses to remove defamatory comments,
perhaps Debian could be held liable if Debian refuses to remove
comments at a person's request if the comments truly harm a
person's good reputation and, for example, d
On 24/09/2021 20:34, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail"
Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived,
potentially
cached by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can
do to
ensure that all copies anywher
On Friday, September 24, 2021 01:55:41 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Can I suggest you read the FAQ posted to this list monthly by me.
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/09/msg6.html is the latest
> copy.
>
> The last point about deleting emails and personal details is relevant,
>
Chuck Zmudzinski writes:
> I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the
> Debian bug tracking system which is hosted
> on a public, Debian website in response to a
> bug report I made.
Bug number?
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 01:37:45PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 9/24/2021 8:04 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 07:45:03 -0400
> > Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> >
> > Hello Chuck,
> >
> > > happened to me, but I would not be surprised
> > > if in the U.S. eventually Debian will
On Fri, 2021-09-24 at 13:37 -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> Who would hire me if they read what is now being said about me by Andy Smith,
> et. al. on Debian's web pages.
Lots of people. Anyone who would not hire you based on your bug report,
or what others have said about you and your but re
Respectful sir, please review what you just wrote on a public facing page.
I for one would not want you in my work place.
Best Wishes with your job search.
BTW: the internet is Forever. It can't be cancelled.
On September 24, 2021 10:38:01 AM Chuck Zmudzinski
wrote:
On 9/24/2021 8:04 AM, B
On 9/24/2021 8:04 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 07:45:03 -0400
Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
Hello Chuck,
happened to me, but I would not be surprised
if in the U.S. eventually Debian will get sued
unless it scrubs its website of some of the
In the USA, Section 230 covers this; Debia
On 9/24/2021 8:04 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 07:45:03 -0400
Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
Hello Chuck,
happened to me, but I would not be surprised
if in the U.S. eventually Debian will get sued
unless it scrubs its website of some of the
In the USA, Section 230 covers this; Debia
Hi Chuck
On 2021/09/24 13:45, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the
Debian bug tracking system which is hosted
on a public, Debian website in response to a
bug report I made.
Since Debian's policy is to keep everything
on its website public, and I was told every
m
On 9/24/2021 10:10 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote:
Hi Chuck
On 2021/09/24 13:45, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the
Debian bug tracking system which is hosted
on a public, Debian website in response to a
bug report I made.
Since Debian's policy is to keep everythin
On 9/24/2021 9:19 AM, Andy Smith wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 07:45:03AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the Debian bug tracking
system
That is an interesting point of view, but I think you were simply
accused of being factually wrong and creating a poo
On 9/24/2021 9:19 AM, Andy Smith wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 07:45:03AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the Debian bug tracking
system
That is an interesting point of view, but I think you were simply
accused of being factually wrong and creating a poo
On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 07:45:03 -0400
Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
Hello Chuck,
>happened to me, but I would not be surprised
>if in the U.S. eventually Debian will get sued
>unless it scrubs its website of some of the
In the USA, Section 230 covers this; Debian can't be held liable for
comments made
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 07:45:03AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the Debian bug tracking
> system
That is an interesting point of view, but I think you were simply
accused of being factually wrong and creating a poor quality bug
report. It was your choic
I was accused in public of wrongdoing on the
Debian bug tracking system which is hosted
on a public, Debian website in response to a
bug report I made.
Since Debian's policy is to keep everything
on its website public, and I was told every
message I send regarding Debian must be
put on Debian's p
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