Karsten M. Self wrote:
# aptitude install mencal
...now if we can just get Bill and Steve's start days
According to my wife I don't have a stop day. :P
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on Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 07:21:15AM -0600, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> David Mandelberg wrote:
>
> >William Ballard wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Quit PMSing.
> >>
> >>
> >Want to forward this to debian-women? That's one of the most sexist things
> >I've
> >heard (no, I don't usually hang out
David Mandelberg wrote:
William Ballard wrote:
Quit PMSing.
Want to forward this to debian-women? That's one of the most sexist things I've
heard (no, I don't usually hang out on USENET or irc).
The funny thing is, after I read Ballard's blurb, another post mentioned
the Debian package
William Ballard wrote:
> Quit PMSing.
Want to forward this to debian-women? That's one of the most sexist things I've
heard (no, I don't usually hang out on USENET or irc).
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 07:10:56PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> of Knoppix and other live CD Debian derivatives are that they are better
> than Debian at detecting and configuring things and that if they can detect
> and configure themselves to some piece of hardware it should be possible
> for a
William Ballard wrote:
Listen, jackass, pretty much any time you speak up it's bitching.
Yup, all my questions about how to do things were just bitching.
I said "let's not think Knoppix is perfect" and I gave two examples.
Yes, you did so as if the person you were replying to had said that
On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 06:54:18PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> William Ballard wrote:
> >Fat lot of good that did me when I took Knoppix on two representative
> >computers and it didn't work.
>
> So? What's your point exactly aside from bitching to bitch? Like I
> said, setting up a strawma
William Ballard wrote:
Fat lot of good that did me when I took Knoppix on two representative
computers and it didn't work.
So? What's your point exactly aside from bitching to bitch? Like I
said, setting up a strawman to knock down doesn't prove anything.
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 06:31:33PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>For every anecdotal story of some hardware not being detected you'd have
> to conceed at least as many, if not more, anectodal stories of hardware
> that would be detected and configured.
Fat lot of good that did me when I took Kno
William Ballard wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 04:32:25PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
advances. Pretty much all the "Live CD" distros (Knoppix, Mepis,
Gnoppix, LNX-BBC, Damn Small Linux, etc.) automatically detect hardware
and configure themselves to it, booting to a desktop or command prompt
i
on Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 08:00:17PM -0500, William Ballard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 04:32:25PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > advances. Pretty much all the "Live CD" distros (Knoppix, Mepis,
> > Gnoppix, LNX-BBC, Damn Small Linux, etc.) automatically detect hardware
On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 04:32:25PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> advances. Pretty much all the "Live CD" distros (Knoppix, Mepis,
> Gnoppix, LNX-BBC, Damn Small Linux, etc.) automatically detect hardware
> and configure themselves to it, booting to a desktop or command prompt
> in a couple of mi
on Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 03:17:47PM -0500, Christian Convey ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>For instance, if Linux would just say, "Hey, you plugged in a USB device
> >>that I don't really know how to use. I can tell it's a mouse of some
> >>sort, but I don't know how to use it.
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:56:39 -0500, Christian Convey
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And it really is the case that I've never happened to see a blue screen
> of death on my XP system. I agree that old versions of Windows had this
> problem. But I'm just comparing the most recent versions of Window
On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 14:29 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 22:44 +0200, ocl wrote:
> >>It's not that we won't want to let /them/ *ever* use such
> >>devices, the imperative thing is who + where + when.
>
> > Some places *do* want such restrictions.
>
>
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 22:44 +0200, ocl wrote:
It's not that we won't want to let /them/ *ever* use such
devices, the imperative thing is who + where + when.
Some places *do* want such restrictions.
Web Cafes come to mind.
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On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 22:44 +0200, ocl wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote on 2004-12-16 18:20:
> >>IMO, anything that is likely to bring in, or take out data (inc.
> >>binaries) needs to be authorized and authenticated. Linux is no
> >>exception.
> >
> > Here, Linux is at an advantage, since if "IT" doesn
Ron Johnson wrote on 2004-12-16 18:20:
IMO, anything that is likely to bring in, or take out data (inc.
binaries) needs to be authorized and authenticated. Linux is no
exception.
Here, Linux is at an advantage, since if "IT" doesn't want lusers
to to able to use thumb drives, iPods, external USB/ie
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 19:54 -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
Christian Convey wrote:
[snip]
An additional comment: Anyone wishing to fund/support a developer's work
on any particular type of hardware certainly can. Rarely does anyone do
it, however.
You think IBM doesn
On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 07:44 +0200, ocl wrote:
> William Ballard wrote on 2004-12-16 07:31:
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 07:13:18AM +0200, ocl wrote:
> >
> >>This opinion of mine will be valid (AFAIC) until
> >>
> >>a) there is a way to authenticate these PnP devices
> >>
> >>b) someone comes up a w
On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 09:30 -0200, Mario Menezes wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:56:39 -0500, Christian Convey
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
[snip]
> Linux kernel support hardware architectures like (paste from $KERNEL/arch):
> alpha cris ia64 m68knommu ppcsh sparc64 x86_64
> arm
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 19:54 -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
> Christian Convey wrote:
>
[snip]
> An additional comment: Anyone wishing to fund/support a developer's work
> on any particular type of hardware certainly can. Rarely does anyone do
> it, however.
You think IBM doesn't pay people to work o
Christian Convey wrote:
Do you guys have any reflections on why, for technical / social / market
/ whatever reasons, this difference exists between the two OS's exists?
And are those differences necessary or accidental?
Just FYI: here's a summary of the answers I've heard. Hope it's helpful.
So
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 4:07 pm, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> Games. Most games are still written for Windows. It is changing
> somewhat now (with UT, NWN and others being made for Linux as well).
> But, it will still be a long time in coming before that aspect
> changes.
To be fair, you're
William Ballard wrote on 2004-12-16 07:31:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 07:13:18AM +0200, ocl wrote:
This opinion of mine will be valid (AFAIC) until
a) there is a way to authenticate these PnP devices
b) someone comes up a workable solution that enables per-user
authorization for these PnP devices [i
Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi guys,
>
> Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug
> issues, getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4
> etc. This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be useful, or
> to make sound/video work.
>
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 07:13:18AM +0200, ocl wrote:
> This opinion of mine will be valid (AFAIC) until
>
> a) there is a way to authenticate these PnP devices
>
> b) someone comes up a workable solution that enables per-user
>authorization for these PnP devices [in a single-sign-on
>envi
You should not use Debian. Find a less geek-oriented distro. We
won't mind. Honestly.
Heh heh - I was waiting for an email like this. Et tu, Ron? ;)
First off, I was talking about a distro that non-techies could use. My
initial inquiry was (to paraphrase):
Is the need for manual configurat
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
> Hi guys,
> Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev /
> hotplug issues, getting to know modprobe, modules.conf,
> alsaconf, XF86Config-4 etc. This was all to get a digicam
> and a flashdrive to be useful, or to make sound/video
> work
Christian Convey wrote:
I'd really like to advocate Linux more to friends and family, but I just
don't feel like I can recommend the OS to non-techies until dealing with
hardware gets easier.
A number of good other comments I agree with on this thread.
An additional comment: Anyone wishing to fun
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 2:51 pm, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> > > when you play with linux, you have 2**N possible kernels
> > > where "N" is the various modules that is turned on or off
> >
> > No, still one kernel, different drivers.
>
> i suppose, i
From: Christian Convey
[...]
By "easier" I mean, for instance:
- All digital photo apps are able to see a camera.
Wait a minute. This is a new demand. Here you can see how Debian differs
from the mentioned "non-geek" distros, and I'll try to explain that there is
no arrogance in this distinction.
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 10:56, Christian Convey wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug issues,
> getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4 etc.
> This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be useful, or to make
> soun
Robert Parker wrote:
On Thursday 16 December 2004 04:28, Christian Convey wrote:
But to be fair, that hasn't been my experience with Windows XP at all.
So I'm doubtful that the users' simplicity offered by Windows has
crashiness as a necessary consequence.
To be equally fair, Windows XP is a lot m
Robert Parker wrote:
My son installed the next but latest Suse. It does just work so far as it is
concerned but it will give trouble if you are dual booting Windows. It leaves
the Windows partition unbootable because it rewrites the CHS record to
something Windows doesn't like. Likewise Fedora 2
On Thursday 16 December 2004 05:02, Christian Convey wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > You should have a go at Mandrake, never had any problem with recongnizing
> > hardware. Very good for easy-peasy installations and for friends and
> > family who do not want to have hassle.
>
> Thanks, I'll l
On Thursday 16 December 2004 04:28, Christian Convey wrote:
>
>
> But to be fair, that hasn't been my experience with Windows XP at all.
> So I'm doubtful that the users' simplicity offered by Windows has
> crashiness as a necessary consequence.
To be equally fair, Windows XP is a lot more difficu
Alvin Oga wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Sam Watkins wrote:
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:55:55PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
being GPL is "dangerous" ... the big boyz with $$$ can do and will
do what they want with all the (free) r/d work for the past few decades
Huh? I thought the GPL was s
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Sam Watkins wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:55:55PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > being GPL is "dangerous" ... the big boyz with $$$ can do and will
> > do what they want with all the (free) r/d work for the past few decades
>
> Huh? I thought the GPL was supposed to prot
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > when you play with linux, you have 2**N possible kernels
> > where "N" is the various modules that is turned on or off
>
> No, still one kernel, different drivers.
i suppose, in my view, "one linux kernel", but with the gazillion
modules, which make
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 14:34 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 December 2004 12:01 pm, Alvin Oga wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think I agree. I'm talking about cases where a good driver
> > > exists in both Windows and Linux. My questio
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 12:01 pm, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
>
> > I don't think I agree. I'm talking about cases where a good driver
> > exists in both Windows and Linux. My question is: given an existing
> > good driver, why is there more manual
Paul Smith wrote:
then there's only one place to go:
http://ubuntu.com/
I've played with this on a few test systems and I really like everything
about it, including their philosophy which is very close to Debian's
(makes sense since many Debian developers work for them).
Same here. Last
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:55:55PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> being GPL is "dangerous" ... the big boyz with $$$ can do and will
> do what they want with all the (free) r/d work for the past few decades
Huh? I thought the GPL was supposed to protect against such! Unless they buy
the copyright, wh
If you're looking for the power of Debian packaging with the
installation, support, timely releases, etc. of something like Mandrake,
then there's only one place to go:
http://ubuntu.com/
I've played with this on a few test systems and I really like everything
about it, including their philos
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 01:02:22PM -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
> I've also heard that SuSE is pretty good in the "it just works"
> category. Do you have a sense of why I might prefer one over the
> other?
I installed SuSE 10 on a test box ~3 months ago. I was pretty
impressed.
I also install
You should have a go at Mandrake, never had any problem with recongnizing
hardware. Very good for easy-peasy installations and for friends and family
who do not want to have hassle.
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On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 14:03 -0600, Jacob S wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:48:23 -0500
> Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jacob S wrote:
[snip]
> As Jon Dowland said in a previous e-mail, the Linux programmers that
> have gotten us this far are doing the programming "Usually unpai
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 15:17 -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>For instance, if Linux would just say, "Hey, you plugged in a USB device
> >>that I don't really know how to use. I can tell it's a mouse of some
> >>sort, but I don't know how to use it. What's the name of a module
Christian Convey wrote:
I don't think I agree. I'm talking about cases where a good driver
exists in both Windows and Linux. My question is: given an existing
good driver, why is there more manual work to get a device like a
trackball useable under Linux rather than Windows?
Where I'm going i
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > How in the heck do you buy a distro? It's all (well, 99.99%) GPL.
>
> I dunno. Ask Novell.
being GPL is "dangerous" ... the big boyz with $$$ can do and will
do what they want with all the (free) r/d work for the past few de
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 12:10 -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
[snip]
> i'm waiting for the next generation (non-linux) kernel to come out
> that will fix the "linux kernel problems" which is growing into
> giant monster, and it's approaching its "getting too old
Jacob S wrote:
You used a usb trackball as an example in a previous e-mail. But you
also mentioned how it might prompt you for the driver. That helps prove
another person's point about how the hardware vendors write the drivers
for Windows, but not for Linux. Linux programmers have to spend time
wr
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 13:11 -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
> Steven Jones wrote:
> > lol.
> >
> > Sorry win2k/XP cannot find any diskspress f3 to exit and reboot
> >
> > Sorry your hardware is not supported by win2k/win2k3.
> >
> > This product is obsolete we will not be releasing dr
Ron Johnson wrote:
How in the heck do you buy a distro? It's all (well, 99.99%) GPL.
I dunno. Ask Novell.
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Mark Roach wrote:
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 11:56 -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
Hi guys,
Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug issues,
getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4 etc.
This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be useful, or to mak
Ron Johnson wrote:
For instance, if Linux would just say, "Hey, you plugged in a USB device
that I don't really know how to use. I can tell it's a mouse of some
sort, but I don't know how to use it. What's the name of a module that I
should try for it?" then it would be a lot more like my Windows
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 11:56 -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug issues,
> getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4 etc.
> This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be useful, or to make
> so
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Ron Johnson wrote:
> This has been argues 100,000 times in the past 10 years. One
> word: volunteers. Two words: Open Source.
and will continue to be "discussed"
> There are multiple projects for a bunch of reasons:
>
> "I can do a better job."
>
> "Having multiple c
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 12:01 -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
[snip]
>
> gateway will be bought out by a big or small fish to merge
> with a linux distro to keep both entities alive
>
>
> the business news was leaking a "dangling carrots" that sun is
> l
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
> I don't think I agree. I'm talking about cases where a good driver
> exists in both Windows and Linux. My question is: given an existing
> good driver, why is there more manual work to get a device like a
> trackball useable under Linux rather
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 14:48 -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
> Jacob S wrote:
> > You used a usb trackball as an example in a previous e-mail. But you
> > also mentioned how it might prompt you for the driver. That helps prove
[snip]
> For instance, if Linux would just say, "Hey, you plugged in a USB
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 09:50 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Christian Convey wrote:
> > But to be fair, that hasn't been my experience with Windows XP at all.
> > So I'm doubtful that the users' simplicity offered by Windows has
> > crashiness as a necessary consequence.
>
> Of course with WinXP
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:48:23 -0500
Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jacob S wrote:
> > I think the question answers itself when they have to stop adding
> > features just so they can work on bugs and security holes. And they
> > did make that announcement not all that long ago.
>
> I
Apparently, _Christian Convey_, on 15/12/04 14:48,typed:
Jacob S wrote:
You used a usb trackball as an example in a previous e-mail. But you
also mentioned how it might prompt you for the driver. That helps prove
another person's point about how the hardware vendors write the drivers
for Windows, b
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 12:23 -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
> Alvin Oga wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi guys,
> >>
> >>Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug issues,
> >>getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4
Paul Johnson wrote:
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 8:56 am, Christian Convey wrote:
As much as I like Linux and its ideals, I thought to myself, "I've
never had to deal with issues like these in Windows. I buy a product,
plug it in, and almost always, it just works."
Well, duh. You were shop
Jacob S wrote:
I think the question answers itself when they have to stop adding
features just so they can work on bugs and security holes. And they did
make that announcement not all that long ago.
I think I understand. You're saying that we only have 'x' programmer
hours, and we need to spend it
Windows is no guarantee of ease. A friend of mine and I bought
comparable computers two years ago, both Sony Vaio, mine a laptop and
his a tower.
I erased WinXP immediately, and would demand a refund if I thought I
had a Linux users chance in Redmond of success. It runs beautifully,
Debian har
Steven Jones wrote:
lol.
Sorry win2k/XP cannot find any diskspress f3 to exit and reboot
Sorry your hardware is not supported by win2k/win2k3.
This product is obsolete we will not be releasing drivers for win2k win2k3, buy
a new controller for just $999.
The updated Certified Micro
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:11:52 -0500
Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steven Jones wrote:
> > lol.
> >
> > Sorry win2k/XP cannot find any diskspress f3 to exit and
> > reboot
> >
> > Sorry your hardware is not supported by win2k/win2k3.
> >
> > This product is obsolete we
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 8:56 am, Christian Convey wrote:
> As much as I like Linux and its ideals, I thought to myself, "I've
> never had to deal with issues like these in Windows. I buy a product,
> plug it in, and almost always, it just works."
Well, duh. You were shopping for hardw
Jacob S wrote:
The Windows approach is fine, if you have the patience to deal with a
lot of crashes, blue screens and problems without a seeming reason,
cause or solution. This is great for non-mission critical stuff. The
Linux approach is fine if you have geeks for friends or enough money to
pay f
Christian Convey wrote:
Yeah, but I doubt Window's support for DRM is closely related to the
relative ease with which Windows users can introduce and use new hardware.
Actually, it is. The whole issue is the ease of use on using the system.
Having the machine tell me "Nono, be a good boy and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You should have a go at Mandrake, never had any problem with recongnizing
hardware. Very good for easy-peasy installations and for friends and family
who do not want to have hassle.
Thanks, I'll look into it.
I used to use Mandrake pretty happily, but then I had problems
Steve Lamb wrote:
Of course with WinXP you have DRM and the dreaded 3-strikes problem.
They might have licked that crashing problem (har, rght) and just
traded it in for their own set of shackles. I have no experience with
XP becuase of it.
Yeah, but I doubt Window's support for DRM is
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:28:16 -0500
Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jacob S wrote:
> > The Windows approach is fine, if you have the patience to deal with
> > a lot of crashes, blue screens and problems without a seeming
> > reason, cause or solution. This is great for non-mission cri
just installed has just fried your
raid5 array
;]
regards
Thing
-Original Message-
From: Steve Lamb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 6:51 a.m.
To: debian-user
Subject: Re: Hardware hassles: Linux vs. Windows
Christian Convey wrote:
> But to be fair, t
Christian Convey wrote:
But to be fair, that hasn't been my experience with Windows XP at all.
So I'm doubtful that the users' simplicity offered by Windows has
crashiness as a necessary consequence.
Of course with WinXP you have DRM and the dreaded 3-strikes problem.
They might have licked
hi ya christian
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
> I used Sarge's new installer, which I think most people reckon to be
> pretty good. And yet I've still had these issues.
i dont like sarge's (new) installer which is basically the same
as the previous installers with a few (major)
Alvin Oga wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
Hi guys,
Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug issues,
getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4 etc.
This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be useful, or to make
sound/video
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:56:06 -0500
Christian Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug
> issues, getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4
> etc. This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be usefu
Sam Watkins wrote:
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:56:06AM -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
As much as I like Linux and its ideals, I thought to myself, "I've never
had to deal with issues like these in Windows. I buy a product, plug it
in, and almost always, it just works."
Well, PC hardware is desig
Sam Watkins wrote:
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:56:06AM -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
As much as I like Linux and its ideals, I thought to myself, "I've never
had to deal with issues like these in Windows. I buy a product, plug it
in, and almost always, it just works."
Well, PC hardware i
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Christian Convey wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug issues,
> getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4 etc.
> This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be useful, or to make
> sound/video wo
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 11:56 -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug issues,
> getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4 etc.
> This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be useful, or to make
> so
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:56:06AM -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
> As much as I like Linux and its ideals, I thought to myself, "I've never
> had to deal with issues like these in Windows. I buy a product, plug it
> in, and almost always, it just works."
Well, PC hardware is designed to work w
Hi guys,
Recently I've spent a lot of time digging through udev / hotplug issues,
getting to know modprobe, modules.conf, alsaconf, XF86Config-4 etc.
This was all to get a digicam and a flashdrive to be useful, or to make
sound/video work.
As much as I like Linux and its ideals, I thought to my
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