Re: Backup.

2025-04-06 Thread peter
From: "Thomas Schmitt" Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:49:10 +0200 > You could give the backups volume ids which tell the date. > > -volid BOB_"$(date '+%Y_%m_%d_%H%M%S')" > ... Just ran this shell function with no difficulty evident. Fi

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-04-05 Thread songbird
Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hi, > > backup2l is simple and has been reliable for me for years. > > Cheers, > Jerome interesting, at first glance it might help me out, but i don't know for sure. i'm a bit worried though that the debian package doesn't look like it is actively maintained. i have ol

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-04-02 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 3/14/25 2:25 AM, Chris Green wrote: Nicolas George wrote: tim wade (HE12025-03-14): besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? Ahem. rsync is not a backup tool. rsync can be *part of* a backup tool, for example in rsnapshot, or manually with filesystem

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-22 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hi Again, On 22/03/2025 15:14, songbird wrote: Jerome BENOIT wrote: songbird wrote: ... ultimately i really need a way to do backups that will deduplicate I do not see what you mean. my old backups are not incremental so they will contain a lot of files that would be identical copi

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-22 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Ho, On 22/03/2025 21:54, songbird wrote: Jerome BENOIT wrote: ... Not compressing the tarballs is possible. i don't think it is really deduplicating but that is ok for now. what i've been playing with this afternoon seems to be going ok. i'm not sure i have a daily run that is working

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-22 Thread songbird
Jerome BENOIT wrote: ... > Not compressing the tarballs is possible. i don't think it is really deduplicating but that is ok for now. what i've been playing with this afternoon seems to be going ok. i'm not sure i have a daily run that is working since i don't always leave my machine on, but

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-22 Thread songbird
Jerome BENOIT wrote: > songbird wrote: ... >>ultimately i really need a way to do backups that will >> deduplicate > > I do not see what you mean. my old backups are not incremental so they will contain a lot of files that would be identical copies to other backups. >> and must be 100% bul

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-22 Thread Jerome BENOIT
x27;t look like it is actively maintained. It does not look like either that it needs a major fix. Note that the upstream material is as fresh as the package. I see this as a stability factor: this is what you ask for a backup tool. i have old backups in tar format. will backup2l allow thos

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-22 Thread songbird
Tim Woodall wrote: > On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Russell L. Harris wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 02:07:53PM +0800, tim wade wrote: >>> I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. >>> It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. >> >> I use git. I keep

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-22 Thread songbird
n the same storage device as your > original files only safeguards your data against your own mistakes. This > is analogous to the (opposite) misconception that RAID systems serve as > a backup solution; they only protect against hardware failures of one or > more disks, and happily mirro

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-16 Thread Todd Zullinger
ore foo $ ls -l foo -rw-r--r--. 1 todd todd 0 Mar 16 09:50 foo > As for timestamps, it records the last commit timestamp, > which may be a "good enough" approximation of the mtime or > not. Notably, for use in a backup system, git doesn't set the timestamp to the last

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-16 Thread tomas
On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 07:51:24AM +, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Sun, 16 Mar 2025, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Git *does* preserve permissions [1]. For the ownerships (and more accurate > > mtime, atime and ctime) cf. etckeeper. > > > Git only tracks the execute bit. And because it always writ

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-16 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Git *does* preserve permissions [1]. For the ownerships (and more accurate mtime, atime and ctime) cf. etckeeper. Git only tracks the execute bit. And because it always writes a new file rather than truncate then write by most editors, the permissio

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread tomas
On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 08:36:48PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 01:18:45PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > On 3/15/25 12:50, Tim Woodall wrote: > > > git fails to preserve ownership, permissions or timestamps. While this > > > may not be relevant to your usecase,

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread tomas
On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 07:50:27PM +, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Russell L. Harris wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 02:07:53PM +0800, tim wade wrote: > > > I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. > > > It's currently in the siz

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread Ryan Nowakowski
I use rdiff-backup. It does incremental backups. On March 14, 2025 1:07:53 AM CDT, tim wade wrote: >Hello > >I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. >It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. > >besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? > >Thank you. >

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread David Christensen
On 3/15/25 13:36, Andy Smith wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 01:18:45PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: I am curious -- if I make my /etc directory tree into a version control system working directory (Git or otherwise), please explain how this would be catastrophic. /etc has things in it which

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 01:18:45PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 3/15/25 12:50, Tim Woodall wrote: > > git fails to preserve ownership, permissions or timestamps. While this > > may not be relevant to your usecase, for example backing up /etc would > > be catastrophic (which is why we h

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread David Christensen
On 3/15/25 12:50, Tim Woodall wrote: git fails to preserve ownership, permissions or timestamps. While this may not be relevant to your usecase, for example backing up /etc would be catastrophic (which is why we have etckeeper) I am curious -- if I make my /etc directory tree into a version c

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Russell L. Harris wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 02:07:53PM +0800, tim wade wrote: I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. I use git. I keep terminal open running a ssh connection open to the backup system. Whenever I

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? > I use borg. It stores files in its own archive format with > deduplication and compression. 4 backups of 32G /+/home of my old > netbook created every month stored in ~11GB backup directory. > Slow

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-14, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hello, > > On 14/03/2025 14:39, Greg wrote: >> On 2025-03-14, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> backup2l is simple and has been reliable for me for years. >> >> Is that a Debian package? > > Yep, here is its tracker page: I was looking for *backup21* rat

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri Mar 14, 2025 at 9:14 PM GMT, Stefan Monnier wrote: I use Bup, which provides a fairly similar featureset to Borg (tho doesn't support encryption yet). AFAIK the main difference is that instead of its own archive format, Bup uses the Git repository format. Can bup purge old backups? --

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hi, backup2l is simple and has been reliable for me for years. Cheers, Jerome On 14/03/2025 07:07, tim wade wrote: Hello I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup?

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread Henrik Ahlgren
is is analogous to the (opposite) misconception that RAID systems serve as a backup solution; they only protect against hardware failures of one or more disks, and happily mirror all your mistakes for you. Proper backup system need to protect your data from most (ideally all) data loss scenarios. Fortunat

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-15 Thread jeremy ardley
On 15/3/25 17:22, Henrik Ahlgren wrote: Moreover, storing Git repositories on the same storage device as your original files only safeguards your data against your own mistakes. This is analogous to the (opposite) misconception that RAID systems serve as a backup solution; they only protect

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread David Christensen
On 3/13/25 23:07, tim wade wrote: Hello I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? Thank you. "Incremental backup" implies "full backup" --

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 07:53:09PM -0400, Default User wrote: On 2025-03-14 [FR], Russell Harris wrote: I use git. I keep terminal open running a ssh connection open to the backup system. Whenever I wish to save the state of the system, I switch to the terminal and execute git commit. To

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Default User
On 2025-03-14 [FR], Russell Harris wrote: I use git. I keep terminal open running a ssh connection open to the backup system. Whenever I wish to save the state of the system, I switch to the terminal and execute git commit. To check the previous state of a file, Emacs provides git-timemachine

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Chris Green
tim wade wrote: > Hello > > I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. > It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. > > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment > backup? > Most of the replies so far seem to have ignored 'incremen

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello, On 14/03/2025 14:39, Greg wrote: On 2025-03-14, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hi, backup2l is simple and has been reliable for me for years. Is that a Debian package? Yep, here is its tracker page: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/backup2l Cheers, Jerome

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
ased backups (where I used a plain `rsync` to update the off-site backup), that's blazingly fast and cheap (my Bup/Rsync repositories live in resource constrained machines (BananaPi)). I used to update the off-site backup once a week at a carefully chosen time to minimize disruption, wher

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 02:07:53PM +0800, tim wade wrote: I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. I use git. I keep terminal open running a ssh connection open to the backup system. Whenever I wish to save the state of the system, I swit

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Henrik Ahlgren
and using less CPU (especially on the server to > which I send my backups) than the rsync system I used before. Borg is implemented in Python, which may not be the fastest language. Borg is fast enough for most common use cases, though it may struggle to scale with very large datasets. Backup is a

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
Jonathan Dowland [2025-03-14 22:03:21] wrote: > On Fri Mar 14, 2025 at 9:14 PM GMT, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I use Bup, which provides a fairly similar featureset to Borg (tho >> doesn't support encryption yet). AFAIK the main difference is that >> instead of its own archive format, Bup uses the G

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Nicolas George
David Christensen (HE12025-03-14): > "Incremental backup" implies "full backup" -- e.g. make full backups on > Sunday nights and make incremental backups Monday through Saturday nights, > etc.. Or a full backup in 2025 and the next one in 3025, which is functionally

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Hans
> A tool that cannot be automated is not a backup tool. > > Corollary: a GUI-only tool is not a backup tool. > > Regards, You are making it too easy for you. A tool, than can be configured with a GUI can of course run automated. Ask Microsoft or Apple! But there are also tools,

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 14:07:53 +0800 tim wade wrote: > I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. > It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. > > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment > backup? I use and recommend amanda and rsnapshot, both a

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Chris Green
I said there are two similar but separately coded versions. The hourly backup one is a bash script and two python scripts (prebak.py and postbak.py). The daily backup one uses an rsync server on the remote machine where the backups are stored but is otherwise pretty similar to the hourly backup one. -- Chris Green ·

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Greg
On 2025-03-14, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hi, > > backup2l is simple and has been reliable for me for years. Is that a Debian package?

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Nicolas George
Hans (HE12025-03-14): > Depends on, what you prefer: in console, or with GUIn as conjob or whatever A tool that cannot be automated is not a backup tool. Corollary: a GUI-only tool is not a backup tool. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Loris Bennett
Chris Green writes: > tim wade wrote: >> Hello >> >> I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. >> It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. >> >> besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment >> backup? >> >

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread gene heskett
On 3/14/25 05:40, Chris Green wrote: tim wade wrote: Hello I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? Most of the replies so far seem to have ignored 'in

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Hans
Depends on, what you prefer: in console, or with GUIn as conjob or whatever There is "borgbackup2" in my mind, as well as "backintime-qt" (for wide ways of settings), and for the easiest way, I suggest "deja-dup". Hans

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread debian-user
Harri Suutari wrote: > On 14/03/2025 08.07, tim wade wrote: > > > > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment > > backup? > > Dirvish - "Disk based virtual image network backup system." > >     Dirvish can create user br

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Harri Suutari
On 14/03/2025 08.07, tim wade wrote: besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? Dirvish - "Disk based virtual image network backup system."     Dirvish can create user browseable (daily) backup directories. Duplicity - "Encrypted incremental

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Chris Green
Nicolas George wrote: > tim wade (HE12025-03-14): > > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? > > Ahem. rsync is not a backup tool. > > rsync can be *part of* a backup tool, for example in rsnapshot, or > manually with filesystem sn

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Henrik Ahlgren
"Gareth Evans" writes: > It's not truly "incremental", though combines compression, > deduplication and optional encryption, which may improve on that. Not "incremental" in the traditional tape-backup sense, which requires periodic full backups. A

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Loris Bennett
Hi Tim, tim wade writes: > Hello > > I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. > It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. > > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment > backup? > > Thank you. I have a Raspberry Pi running Nextclo

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Nicolas George
tim wade (HE12025-03-14): > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? Ahem. rsync is not a backup tool. rsync can be *part of* a backup tool, for example in rsnapshot, or manually with filesystem snapshots, but rsync alone does not allow you to recover a f

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 2:08?AM tim wade wrote: I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? I use Duplicity to bac

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Gareth Evans
rg locally, but it needs to run in server mode on the backup target, so requires to be installed there or to have a binary at --remote-path if specified. This effectively limits remote provider options in comparison to eg. restic which might also be worth looking at. https://restic.net A now

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Stanislav Vlasov
пт, 14 мар. 2025 г. в 11:08, tim wade : > I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. > It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. > > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment > backup? I use borg. It stores files in its own archive format wi

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-14 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 2:08 AM tim wade wrote: > Hello > > I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. > It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. > > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment > backup? > chiark-backup and amanda both wo

Re: increment backup of home dir

2025-03-13 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 2:08 AM tim wade wrote: > > I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. > It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. > > besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment > backup? I use Duplicity to backup a webserver and MySQL da

increment backup of home dir

2025-03-13 Thread tim wade
Hello I plan to make increment backup for my home dir. It's currently in the size of 1xx GB. besides rsync, do you know any other software/service for increment backup? Thank you.

Re: why do errors stop during backup

2024-12-03 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> i have an old pci analog video capture card that uses bttv >> it fills the log with timeout errors, 1 or 2 per minute >> bttv: 2: timeout: drop=725178 irq=4905870/4927747, risc=2014e424, bits: HSYNC >> each night i run a backup with rsync >> during that backup

Re: Backup mysql

2024-12-02 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 06:51:34AM +0800, Bitfox wrote: > I run mysql on debian. Do you? Or do you run MariaDB? Debian supplies MariaDB but it is possible to get MySQL from elsewhere. > I want to backup the tables for database grants and authentication. What > tables should

Backup mysql

2024-12-02 Thread Bitfox
I run mysql on debian. I want to backup the tables for database grants and authentication. What tables should I pick to backup then? Thank you.

re: why do errors stop during backup

2024-12-02 Thread fxkl47BF
> i have an old pci analog video capture card that uses bttv > it fills the log with timeout errors, 1 or 2 per minute > bttv: 2: timeout: drop=725178 irq=4905870/4927747, risc=2014e424, bits: HSYNC > each night i run a backup with rsync > during that backup time there are no bt

why do errors stop during backup

2024-11-29 Thread fxkl47BF
i have an old pci analog video capture card that uses bttv it fills the log with timeout errors, 1 or 2 per minute bttv: 2: timeout: drop=725178 irq=4905870/4927747, risc=2014e424, bits: HSYNC each night i run a backup with rsync during that backup time there are no bttv errors the cameras

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi, On Thu Nov 21, 2024 at 6:30 AM GMT, David Wright wrote: > But can I ask you why you stopped using f=f when you changed address. It wasn't a change of address, but a change of MUA or MUA config. I certainly had it enabled at some point with mutt, and I changed the way I used mutt (from mostly

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread gene heskett
On 11/21/24 19:01, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 18:32:38 -0500, gene heskett wrote: The =20 tells me its been converted to html style encoding some where. No, =20 is "quoted printable" encoding. It's extremely common for email; it can be used whenever the source content is HTM

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread David Wright
On Wed 20 Nov 2024 at 11:35:28 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > On 11/20/24 10:49, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 19:41:25 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > > > On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > > > Your sig separator arrives here as "--". If it leaves you as "-- ", > > > > which it seems

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 18:32:38 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > The =20 tells me its been converted to html style encoding some where. No, =20 is "quoted printable" encoding. It's extremely common for email; it can be used whenever the source content is HTML or plain text or a calendar invitation o

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread gene heskett
On 11/21/24 10:00, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 15:31, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 15:16, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no traili

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 21 Nov 2024 at 10:11:56 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 20/11/2024 22:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, eben wrote: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > This line has one

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 21 Nov 2024 at 14:38:02 (-0500), eben wrote: > On 11/21/24 11:46, eben wrote: > > On 11/21/24 11:07, eben wrote: > >> On 11/20/24 10:13, eben wrote: > >> > >>> Just for kicks: > >>> This line has no trailing spaces. > >>> This line has one trailing space. > >>> This line has two trailing spa

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/21/24 11:46, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/21/24 11:07, e...@gmx.us wrote: >> On 11/20/24 10:13, e...@gmx.us wrote: >> >>> Just for kicks: >>> This line has no trailing spaces. >>> This line has one trailing space. >>> This line has two trailing spaces. >> >> OK, I changed "mail.html_compose" fr

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:46:01 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, >This is a long line that is more than seventy-two characters that >should end with a space. It is wrapped on my end. > >This is a long line that is more than seventy-two characters that >should end with two spaces. It is al

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/21/24 11:07, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 10:13, e...@gmx.us wrote: > >> Just for kicks: >> This line has no trailing spaces. >> This line has one trailing space. >> This line has two trailing spaces. > > OK, I changed "mail.html_compose" from true to false.  Now to see if it > makes a di

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:07:07 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, >This line has no trailing spaces. >This line has one trailing space. >This line has two trailing spaces. No trailing spaces anywhere. Sorry. :-( -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}"

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/21/24 11:07, e...@gmx.us wrote: OK, I changed "mail.html_compose" from true to false.  Now to see if it makes a difference: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces. Narrator: It did not.

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 10:13, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces. OK, I changed "mail.html_compose" from true to false. Now to see if it makes a difference: This line has no trailing spaces. This line

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread tomas
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:00:11AM -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 15:31, gene heskett wrote: > > On 11/20/24 15:16, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > > On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread Max Nikulin
On 21/11/2024 10:11, Max Nikulin wrote: Eben, you may try to inspect sources of your messages ([Ctrl+U]) from sent and draft folders. Interesting, signature separator is lost by gmane, see w3m -m 'nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.linux.debian.user/622024' however it is present in USENET group and w

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 15:31, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 15:16, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing s

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread John Crawley
On 21/11/2024 15:10, gene heskett wrote: That doesn't affect the dozens of miss-configured email agents here that violate those SOP's for text emails. My mail filter for debian-user seems to be working OK, everything sent to the right place. Maybe it's because I have fewer filters than you (3

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-21 Thread gene heskett
On 11/20/24 23:46, John Crawley wrote: On 21/11/2024 05:31, gene heskett wrote: Which is what I am sending from latest t-bird in what I think is plain text, as below, and it works, my too long comment is not greyed out in the incoming echo from the listserver. You should see it incoming but no

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread David Wright
On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 15:32:47 (+), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue Nov 19, 2024 at 3:02 PM GMT, eben wrote: > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > > attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you see? > > I'm afraid not. Looking at your

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread gene heskett
On 11/21/24 01:10, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 23:46, John Crawley wrote: On 21/11/2024 05:31, gene heskett wrote: Which is what I am sending from latest t-bird in what I think is plain text, as below, and it works, my too long comment is not greyed out in the incoming echo from the listse

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread John Crawley
On 21/11/2024 05:31, gene heskett wrote: Which is what I am sending from latest t-bird in what I think is plain text, as below, and it works, my too long comment is not greyed out in the incoming echo from the listserver. You should see it incoming but not in a reply you make that quotes my ms

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-11-20 at 12:08, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 11:37, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2024-11-20 at 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: >>> Does anyone using Thunderbird _not_ get trailing spaces stripped, >>> or is it just me? >> >> I don't (see signature below), but it may be worth noting that I

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/11/2024 22:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, eben wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed This line has one trailing space. [...] This line has two leading and two trailing spaces.

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread David Wright
On Wed 20 Nov 2024 at 11:35:28 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > > So, naturally you use an editor to compose your posts. > > Not sure why you would assume that, but let's run with it. How would I > configure Tbird do do such a thing? I see no relevant settings for "editor" > or "path" but maybe they're

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread gene heskett
On 11/20/24 15:16, gene heskett wrote: On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces.

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread gene heskett
On 11/20/24 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces. In the message I received, none of th

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:08:02 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: > Anyone know how to > get a pure text version, if such a thing exists? Possibly storing one's emails in maildir format. Each email is its own raw text file. Suitable grepping or use of mairix or the like should then locate particular messages

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:08:02PM -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 11:37, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2024-11-20 at 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > > > On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > If I had to guess, I would guess that Thunderbird is composing > > > > HTML email, and

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 11:37, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-11-20 at 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: If I had to guess, I would guess that Thunderbird is composing HTML email, and then translating it to plain text, with trailing spaces being lost during that translation.

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Just for kicks: This line has no trailing spaces. This line has one trailing space. This line has two trailing spaces. In the message I received, none of these lines have any trailing spaces. D

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 09:49:58AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 19:41:25 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > > On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 eben@… wrote: > > > > > > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 10:49, David Wright wrote: On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 19:41:25 (-0500), eben@… wrote: On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: Your sig separator arrives here as "--". If it leaves you as "-- ", which it seems to be based on your attached image, I'm not sure what's happening. I guess u

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-11-20 at 11:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/20/24 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> If I had to guess, I would guess that Thunderbird is composing >> HTML email, and then translating it to plain text, with trailing >> spaces being lost during that translation. Including the trailing >> space

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread David Wright
On Tue 19 Nov 2024 at 19:41:25 (-0500), eben@… wrote: > On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 eben@… wrote: > > > > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > > > attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:13:20 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > Just for kicks: > This line has no trailing spaces. > This line has one trailing space. > This line has two trailing spaces. In the message I received, none of these lines have any trailing spaces. If I had to guess, I would guess that

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-20 Thread eben
On 11/20/24 00:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 07:41:25PM -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k attachme

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread Eric S Fraga
Response below/inline for email e...@gmx.us wrote: > (original email sent 19 Nov 2024 at 10:02) > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you see? Your post/email comes through without the space after t

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread tomas
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 07:41:25PM -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 > > e...@gmx.us wrote: > > > > Hello e...@gmx.us, > > > > > That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k > > > attachment. This mess

Re: mail sig separator (was Re: BD backup?)

2024-11-19 Thread eben
On 11/19/24 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:02:59 -0500 e...@gmx.us wrote: Hello e...@gmx.us, That is what I see in the message to which you replied. See the <1k attachment. This message also has a space. Is that not what you see? I see what Jonathan sees. Your sig separ

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