On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 07:34:58PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:59:33PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> > lists) is wise.
> >
> > Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Medi
On 7/10/25 16:37, rickm...@shaw.ca wrote:
On 2025-07-10 04:57, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On 7/9/25 22:14, Rick Macdonald wrote:
In 30 years I've never seen an isolated network. May I ask how this
might be done?
An alternative example (with no Wi-Fi):
* One switch or hub. Connect to power.
On 7/10/25 04:07, songbird wrote:
hello all, some questions at last... it's been a while. :)
I was able to get some SSD replacements and want to add them
to my existing setup,
Be sure to do a secure erase before you put the SSD's into service:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Erase
On 11/07/2025 02:13, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Wolf wrote:
My default settings in EFI was Thunderbolt security: OFF.
Today, I changed security from OFF to "User Authorization" and now keyboard
is working.
I tested changing back from "User Authorization" to OFF and the keyboard
became unusable again.
On Jul 11, 2025, Andrew Makhorin wrote:
> I encountered a serious bug on moving files from one folder to another
> with standard "Files" application in Gnome. Namely, when the number of
> files in the distination folder is about 4,500, the "Files" application
> deadly hangs, and only restaring the
On 2025-07-10 04:57, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 23:23:29 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 7/9/25 22:14, Rick Macdonald wrote:
>>> In 30 years I've never seen an isolated network. May I ask how this
>>> might be done?
>> Assuming an Internet gateway with 4 LAN ports and Wi-
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 7:09 PM wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> >> once alternatives are provided and
> >> decently supported, people actively choose not to use email.
> >
> > *Some* people may choose that.
> >
> >
I encountered a serious bug on moving files from one folder to another
with standard "Files" application in Gnome. Namely, when the number of
files in the distination folder is about 4,500, the "Files" application
deadly hangs, and only restaring the system helps. The files are mainly
pdf documen
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
>> once alternatives are provided and
>> decently supported, people actively choose not to use email.
>
> *Some* people may choose that.
>
> The rest of us will stay here.
>
agreed
there are thos
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 3:10 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> > Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> > > lists) is wise.
> > >
> > > Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Media and
> > > Chat, for
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> once alternatives are provided and
> decently supported, people actively choose not to use email.
*Some* people may choose that.
The rest of us will stay here.
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:59:33PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> lists) is wise.
>
> Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Media and
> Chat, for Gen-Z. However, I don't believe it is an either/or
> pro
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> lists) is wise.
>
> Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Media and
> Chat, for Gen-Z. However, I don't believe it is an either/or
> proposition. Debian should support email, mailing
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 3:10 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> > lists) is wise.
> >
> > Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Media and
> > Chat, for Gen-Z. However, I don't believe it is a
Hi,
Wolf wrote:
> My default settings in EFI was Thunderbolt security: OFF.
> Today, I changed security from OFF to "User Authorization" and now keyboard
> is working.
> I tested changing back from "User Authorization" to OFF and the keyboard
> became unusable again.
(So Thunderbolt is off, not t
On Jul 10, 2025, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 09:44:05AM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > What "trend"? That kids don't use (or perhaps understand) stuff they've
> > had no real *need* of yet?
>
> The trend that people increasingly do not use email as a means of
> collaborati
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 12:19 PM Andy Smith wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:48:18AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if they
> > need us to answer questions that should be fine.
>
> I think it's worth considering the fact th
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 04:57:43PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> OK, but take it further: these people who are not using email, are
> they actually likely to use a real computer for anything at all other
> than playing games? Their communication will be carried out using the
> mobile phone permanently g
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 1:39 PM Charles Curley
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:58:03 +0200
> hw wrote:
>
> > When running it on Debian, filezilla shows a password request for
> > anonymous logins, and the login fails. This is not what the man page
> > says. The ftp user doesn't have a passwor
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:58:03 +0200
hw wrote:
> When running it on Debian, filezilla shows a password request for
> anonymous logins, and the login fails. This is not what the man page
> says. The ftp user doesn't have a password anyway. Apparently,
> Debians pure-ftpd version doesn't understan
On 7/10/25 18:58, hw wrote:
On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 16:28 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 11:45 AM BST, hw wrote:
Right. Anonymous logins are allowed and I have created a system account
'ftp', and it still doesn't work. It keeps asking for a password when
trying to log in
On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 16:28 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 11:45 AM BST, hw wrote:
> >
> > Right. Anonymous logins are allowed and I have created a system account
> > 'ftp', and it still doesn't work. It keeps asking for a password when
> > trying to log in as 'anonymous'
On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 16:46 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 3:25 PM BST, hw wrote:
> > So am I to assume that it's broken on Debian
>
> The problem could be the presence of /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/NoAnonymous,
> which causes the start-up wrapper to pass -E (= --noanonymous) t
> them, or overly paternalistic like the FSF¹.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
> ¹ "Don't protect your web site from AI bot DDoS with Anubis because
>Anubis uses Javascript which is the devil!!"
[ Hmm... not sure what's paternalistic about the choice the FSF
sysadmins make r
> We're talking in this thread about people potentially interested in
> Debian, as opposed to Windows or other Linux distros. I'm suggesting
> that all these people will be comfortable with email, mailing lists
Comfortable with email: possibly (tho maybe they don't like using it).
But IME most us
On 11/7/25 00:04, Andy Smith wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 11:50:41PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
On 10/7/25 23:10, Andy Smith wrote:
I'm telling you how things are
Those are the words that are problematic - "I am the absolute authority and
the absolute expert regarding what is happenin
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 03:48:52PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
[...]
> As an aside, sudo-rs is packaged as of Debian 13 (trixie, currently
> testing) and I've been using it for a week now without complaints. sudo
> fans might like to give it a go.
Now, now. Is it Rust -- or Go?
[SCNR]
--
t
Hello,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 11:50:41PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 10/7/25 23:10, Andy Smith wrote:
> > I'm telling you how things are
>
> Those are the words that are problematic - "I am the absolute authority and
> the absolute expert regarding what is happening..."
Things that are facts:
Hi,
I concur with others that it sounds like you simply don't have sudo
installed.
As an aside, sudo-rs is packaged as of Debian 13 (trixie, currently
testing) and I've been using it for a week now without complaints. sudo
fans might like to give it a go.
It replicates the functionality and conf
On 10/7/25 23:10, Andy Smith wrote:
I'm telling you how things are
Those are the words that are problematic - "I am the absolute authority
and the absolute expert regarding what is happening..."
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 3:25 PM BST, hw wrote:
So am I to assume that it's broken on Debian
The problem could be the presence of /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/NoAnonymous,
which causes the start-up wrapper to pass -E (= --noanonymous) to the
daemon. Try removing that file and restarting the daemon.
I
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 04:25:56PM +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 03:19:40PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > > The likes of facebook are steering people away from email as they want
> > > to keep a
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 04:00:09PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> And are new computer users not pretty much compelled to set up a
> Microsoft email address? It's getting more difficult to avoid.
> Certainly a mobile phone user will be required to have an email address.
I think today's computer users re
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 11:45 AM BST, hw wrote:
Right. Anonymous logins are allowed and I have created a system account
'ftp', and it still doesn't work. It keeps asking for a password when
trying to log in as 'anonymous' or 'ftp'.
Conventionally, when logging into an anonymous ftp server, as
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 03:19:40PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > The likes of facebook are steering people away from email as they want
> > to keep all interaction within their eco system - email is something
> > that let
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> The likes of facebook are steering people away from email as they want
> to keep all interaction within their eco system - email is something
> that lets people escape from them.
I would dispute your claim that email is the
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 09:44:05AM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote:
> What "trend"? That kids don't use (or perhaps understand) stuff they've
> had no real *need* of yet?
The trend that people increasingly do not use email as a means of
collaboration. I'm sorry if that is unwelcome to you, but it's
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:58:10AM -0400, songbird wrote:
> Dan Purgert wrote:
> > Longterm (powered-off) backup is actually better on spinning rust; as
> > SSD are somewhat more susceptible to bit-rot when powered off.
>
> these will always be regularly powered on even if they are
> not mo
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 13:14:49 +
Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:48:18AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if
> > they need us to answer questions that should be fine.
>
> I think it's worth considerin
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 07:07:03AM -0400, songbird wrote:
> in previous years I recall that there was some recommendation to leave
> some part of the SSD unallocated and not formatted as part of a file
> system so any parts that failed as bad blocks or wore out could be
> allocated from these
On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 13:52 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 01:41:51PM +0200, hw wrote:
> > On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 12:55 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > I'd have a look at /var/log/auth.log, or however this is spelt in
> > > systemd-ese these days.
> >
>
>> I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally say
>> things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam login
>> code". It's not that they are non-technical or uninterested in
>> technology, it's that specifically email is an unknown and unwieldy
>> tool for them
Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Jul 10, 2025, songbird wrote:
>> hello all, some questions at last... it's been a while. :)
>>
>> I was able to get some SSD replacements and want to add them
>> to my existing setup, but in previous years I recall that there
>> was some recommendation to leave some par
On Jul 10, 2025, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:48:18AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if they
> > need us to answer questions that should be fine.
>
> I think it's worth considering the fact that new co
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 01:14:49PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally say
> things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam login
> code". It's not that they are non-technical or uninterested in
> technology, it's that speci
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 06:57:10 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 23:23:29 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> > On 7/9/25 22:14, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> > > In 30 years I've never seen an isolated network. May I ask how
> > > this might be done?
> >
> > Assuming an Internet ga
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:48:18AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if they
> need us to answer questions that should be fine.
I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
increasingly less likely to use
Lee Winter writes:
> [A1] is that netinstall left /etc/sudoers missing and /etc/sudoers.d/README
> empty -- there are no users at all. But that
> README file contains a strong recommendation for using visudo, which no
> longer exists.
visudo is included in the sudo package. I'd expect you have
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 07:13:48AM -0400, Lee Winter wrote:
> Got a dell 5400 workstation configured fully (8 cores, 32gb RAM, 160gb fast
> disk & 1.0tb slow disk) and I netinstalled debian Bookworm 12.10.0 on it.
> I also got the 20 DVDs with 92.5gb of Source packages. The machine seems
> OK, but
On Jul 10, 2025, Lee Winter wrote:
> Got a dell 5400 workstation configured fully (8 cores, 32gb RAM, 160gb
> fast disk & 1.0tb slow disk) and I netinstalled debian Bookworm
> 12.10.0 on it. I also got the 20 DVDs with 92.5gb of Source packages.
> The machine seems OK, but I am finding some [probl
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 01:41:51PM +0200, hw wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 12:55 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> > I'd have a look at /var/log/auth.log, or however this is spelt in
> > systemd-ese these days.
>
> The log says nothing new:
>
>
> [...] pure-ftpd: pam_unix(pure-ftpd:auth)
On Thu, 2025-07-10 at 12:55 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 12:45:22PM +0200, hw wrote:
> >
> > Right. Anonymous logins are allowed and I have created a system account
> > 'ftp', and it still doesn't work. It keeps asking for a password when
> > trying to log in as 'anony
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 07:13:48 -0400, Lee Winter wrote:
> [A1] is that netinstall left /etc/sudoers missing and /etc/sudoers.d/README
> empty -- there are no users at all. But that README file contains a strong
> recommendation for using visudo, which no longer exists.
>
> [A2] is that visudo is
On Jul 10, 2025, songbird wrote:
> hello all, some questions at last... it's been a while. :)
>
> I was able to get some SSD replacements and want to add them
> to my existing setup, but in previous years I recall that there
> was some recommendation to leave some part of the SSD unallocated
>
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 10:40:54AM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and
> > people new to Debian. It can be intimidating to use Debian and also
> > to front up and ask questions.
Got a dell 5400 workstation configured fully (8 cores, 32gb RAM, 160gb fast
disk & 1.0tb slow disk) and I netinstalled debian Bookworm 12.10.0 on it.
I also got the 20 DVDs with 92.5gb of Source packages. The machine seems
OK, but I am finding some [problem]s.
[A1] is that netinstall left /etc/s
hello all, some questions at last... it's been a while. :)
I was able to get some SSD replacements and want to add them
to my existing setup, but in previous years I recall that there
was some recommendation to leave some part of the SSD unallocated
and not formatted as part of a file system s
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 12:45:22PM +0200, hw wrote:
>
> Right. Anonymous logins are allowed and I have created a system account
> 'ftp', and it still doesn't work. It keeps asking for a password when
> trying to log in as 'anonymous' or 'ftp'.
>
> I have the same on Fedora, and there it does not
On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 23:23:29 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> On 7/9/25 22:14, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> > In 30 years I've never seen an isolated network. May I ask how this
> > might be done?
>
> Assuming an Internet gateway with 4 LAN ports and Wi-Fi, and a server with 1
> LAN port, turn off
Right. Anonymous logins are allowed and I have created a system account
'ftp', and it still doesn't work. It keeps asking for a password when
trying to log in as 'anonymous' or 'ftp'.
I have the same on Fedora, and there it does not ask for a password when
trying to log in as 'anonymous', and i
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 5:49 AM hw wrote:
>
> So I have created the ftp user with a home directory to use for files
> from the anonymous user. But still pure-ftpd is, contrary to the man
> page, asking for a password and the login fails.
>
> Why is this not working?
You probably missed a step so
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 7:41 AM BST, hw wrote:
And why is is so difficult and troublesome on Debian?
Possibly because running an anonymous ftpd in 2025 is quite a niche
interest.
Some of the other recent replies look to point in the right direction.
Last time I did this myself, I used vsftpd, a
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and
> people new to Debian. It can be intimidating to use Debian and also
> to front up and ask questions.
>
> To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if
> they need u
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 08:48:18 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and
> people new to Debian. It can be intimidating to use Debian and also
> to front up and ask questions.
>
Indeed, I had a go with a Debian and gave up. A
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 4:49 AM hw wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2025-07-09 at 20:19 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2025 at 23:08:05 +0200, hw wrote:
> > > where does pure-ftpd store files when anonymous logs in?
> > >
> > > Even its man page is missing in Debian.
> >
> > According to packag
Hi,
I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and people
new to Debian. It can be intimidating to use Debian and also to front up
and ask questions.
To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if they
need us to answer questions that should be fine.
Hi,
i wrote:
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
> > does not deliver a page, although ping lists.debian.org works fine.
Nicolas George wrote:
> Works for me. Either a transient problem or a problem on your side.
Seems like my Telekom router has again a selective IPv6 allergy.
ping worke
Hi,
It seems that "firmware-sof-signed" upgrade changed some uefi security settings
not visible in settings screen.
Thank you for the help,
Wolf
Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
On Thursday, 10 July 2025 at 09:58, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> please reply to the list debian-user@li
Clumsy and inefficient:
>(I'm subscribed there. No need to Cc: me.)
Clean and efficient:
>> Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
> does not deliver a page, although ping lists.debian.org works fine.
Works for me. Either a transient pr
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