Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread David
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 08:17, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 17 September 2019 15:07:30 ghe wrote: > > On 9/17/19 11:01 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > And that results in exactly the same effect, partitiuon 1 is an > > > iso9660 image, and I don't believe the rpi-3b supports that for a > > > boo

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread John Hasler
Thomas Schmitt writes: > I get the impression that uboot is a usual firmware and bootloader, > but that there are also mechanisms which rather remind me of the ROM > of my VIC-20. On boards like this UBoot is usually stored in onboard memory and pretty much is the "BIOS" and the bootloader as well

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 17 September 2019 15:07:30 ghe wrote: > On 9/17/19 11:01 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > And that results in exactly the same effect, partitiuon 1 is an > > iso9660 image, and I don't believe the rpi-3b supports that for a > > boot medium. dos/fat32 only I believe. Obviously I got those ima

Re: UEFI Secure Boot lockdown effects (Was: Installation suitability for Dell laptop)

2019-09-17 Thread didier . gaumet
Le mardi 17 septembre 2019 22:00:05 UTC+2, Étienne Mollier a écrit : [...] > I am seriously considering sticking to UEFI > Secure Boot, not exactly for security, mostly to have a general > idea of how things work, by practice. [...] I have not tested it myself (only KVM/Ovmf but without SecureBoot

Re: Help debug : DNS failed when recover from suspend

2019-09-17 Thread Étienne Mollier
Baptiste, on 2019-09-17: > I have two critical systemd services running on my clients : > -> "puppet" that ensure propagation of my whole network configuration. > -> "samba winbind" that allow users pam authentication and Name Service > Switch. > These two services use DNS to find their services s

Bug?

2019-09-17 Thread Thomas H. George
Two problems after a distribution upgrade to Buster 1. At login window after boot up the desktop selection is locked a Gnome. That is, if the symbol to change the desktop selection is selected a list of available desktops is displayed with a dot indicating Gnome is the current selections. Ther

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:59:53PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2019-09-17 09:13 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv > > i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv > > > > OK... I'll admit, I do not quite understand that dependency. > > The udev init scrip

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2019-09-17 09:13 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:11:33PM +0100, Brian wrote: >> What causes systemd-sysv to be installed? > > wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv > i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv > > OK... I'll admit, I do not quite understand that dep

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 17 September 2019 14:04:30 Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > I once wrote the "debian-10.0.0-arm64-netinst.iso" to an u-sd card, > > which booted and did a net-install on an rpi-3b [...] > > /dev/sde1 /media/sde1 iso9660 ro,relatime 0 0 > > /dev/sde2 /media/sde2 vf

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2019-09-17 11:10 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > Well, the only link *needed* is init, hence its dependency on package > init, whose sole function is to keep the number of init configurations > more than zero and less than two. > > The rest of those links just mean that I can read, say, a 60 lin

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 17 September 2019 13:48:35 John Hasler wrote: > Looks like you copied the file to the first partition rather than > writing the image to the raw device (I've made that mistake > myself). What command did you use? sudo dd if=debian-10.1.0-armhf-netinst.iso bs=4096 of=/dev/sde The /dev/

UEFI Secure Boot lockdown effects (Was: Installation suitability for Dell laptop)

2019-09-17 Thread Étienne Mollier
Didier Gaumet, on 2019-09-17: > Le lundi 16 septembre 2019 21:00:04 UTC+2, Étienne Mollier a écrit : > [...] > > does someone know if UEFI > > prevents unsigned "driver" or "firmware" loading ? (or both?) > [...] > > it forbids it if SecureBoot is activated: > https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#S

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread ghe
On 9/17/19 11:01 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > And that results in exactly the same effect, partitiuon 1 is an iso9660 > image, and I don't believe the rpi-3b supports that for a boot medium. > dos/fat32 only I believe. Obviously I got those images from the wrong > place in the debian file system.

Re: Systemd start that won't stop

2019-09-17 Thread David Wright
On Sun 11 Aug 2019 at 19:55:12 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 07:11:19PM +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote: > > Felix Miata writes: > > > Curt Howland composed on 2019-08-09 13:53 (UTC-0400): > > > > > >> plymouth-quit-wait.service > > > ... > > >> I have no idea what a "p

Help debug : DNS failed when recover from suspend

2019-09-17 Thread Prunk Dump
Hello Debian Team ! I'm the network Administrator of a french High School and I have troubles debugging a DNS lookup problem affecting all my 550 Debian Buster clients. I have two critical systemd services running on my clients : -> "puppet" that ensure propagation of my whole network configurati

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Brian
On Tue 17 Sep 2019 at 13:29:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 06:25:05PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > Upgrades from wheezy to jessie did not change the init system because > > libpame-systemd had the dependency > > > > systemd-shim (>= 8-2) | systemd-sysv > > https://www.debi

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > I once wrote the "debian-10.0.0-arm64-netinst.iso" to an u-sd card, > which booted and did a net-install on an rpi-3b [...] > /dev/sde1 /media/sde1 iso9660 ro,relatime 0 0 > /dev/sde2 /media/sde2 vfat > rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortn

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread John Hasler
Looks like you copied the file to the first partition rather than writing the image to the raw device (I've made that mistake myself). What command did you use? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 06:25:05PM +0100, Brian wrote: > Upgrades from wheezy to jessie did not change the init system because > libpame-systemd had the dependency > > systemd-shim (>= 8-2) | systemd-sysv https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#issues-sys

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Brian
On Tue 17 Sep 2019 at 09:13:30 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:11:33PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > What causes systemd-sysv to be installed? > > wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv > i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv > > OK... I'll admit, I do not quite under

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Brian
On Tue 17 Sep 2019 at 10:37:15 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 23:31:23 +0100, Roger Lynn wrote: > > > I have three Stretch AMD64 systems with sysvinit - a desktop and laptop > > running KDE and a headless server. Is there any information available > > anywhere to tell me what will ha

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 17 September 2019 12:45:51 Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings to all debian puzzle solvers incorporated; > > I once wrote the "debian-10.0.0-arm64-netinst.iso" to an u-sd card, > which booted and did a net-install on an rpi-3b but my user software, > linuxcnc was built for armhf and would

confused, seems to be my normal state

2019-09-17 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings to all debian puzzle solvers incorporated; I once wrote the "debian-10.0.0-arm64-netinst.iso" to an u-sd card, which booted and did a net-install on an rpi-3b but my user software, linuxcnc was built for armhf and would not run. I'm capable of building that from src, but was not able

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread David Wright
On Tue 17 Sep 2019 at 09:45:21 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 09:40:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > I believe its name was chosen with > > insufficient consideration, and is not in fact derived from its > > function. > > You're not looking closely enough. > > > $ apt-

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Curt
On 2019-09-17, The Wanderer wrote: >>> Yes, but unless I'm greatly misunderstanding matters, /sbin/init is >>> not specific to sysvinit. >> That's okay, as I never came close to claiming it was. But you focus >> uniquely upon this "point," while ignoring the part about the "links >> needed for s

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-17 at 09:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 09:40:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> I believe its name was chosen with >> insufficient consideration, and is not in fact derived from its >> function. > > You're not looking closely enough. > >> $ apt-file show systemd

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 09:40:50AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > I believe its name was chosen with > insufficient consideration, and is not in fact derived from its > function. You're not looking closely enough. > $ apt-file show systemd-sysv > systemd-sysv: /sbin/halt > systemd-sysv: /sbin/init

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-17 at 09:28, Curt wrote: > On 2019-09-17, The Wanderer wrote: > >>> Why he would say "despite its name" eludes this correspondent, >>> because the package has *everything* to do with sysvinit, >>> providing as it does the "links needed for systemd to replace >>> sysvinit. Installing

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Curt
On 2019-09-17, The Wanderer wrote: >> Why he would say "despite its name" eludes this correspondent, >> because the package has *everything* to do with sysvinit, providing >> as it does the "links needed for systemd to replace sysvinit. >> Installing systemd-sysv will overwrite /sbin/init with a

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-17 at 09:13, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:11:33PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >> What causes systemd-sysv to be installed? > > wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv > i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv > > OK... I'll admit, I do not quite understand that de

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:11:33PM +0100, Brian wrote: > What causes systemd-sysv to be installed? wooledg:~$ aptitude why systemd-sysv i udev Depends dpkg (>= 1.19.3) | systemd-sysv OK... I'll admit, I do not quite understand that dependency. But what I really need to do is check this on a je

Re: Is the buster 10.1 net install in armhf flavor ready for an rpi-4b?

2019-09-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 07:09:08AM +0100, Tixy wrote: > Conclusion, to me, it looks like the mainline kernel doesn't yet have > RPi4 support, and when it does, would anyone want to go to the effort > to backport that to 4.19? I wouldn't be holding my breath for RPi4B > support in a Buster netinst i

Re: Gnome home directory icons

2019-09-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi George, Quoting George (2019-09-17 11:56:38) > I noticed when i name a folder in home directory Documents it > automatically adds a slightly different icon that the normal folder. > > I want to have this kind of icon to different place in my directory. > > More presicly i want to organize my

Gnome home directory icons

2019-09-17 Thread George
Hi there! I noticed when i name a folder in home directory Documents it automatically adds a slightly different icon that the normal folder. I want to have this kind of icon to different place in my directory. More presicly i want to organize my home folder into 2 subfolder. One personal folder

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-17 at 04:09, Curt wrote: > On 2019-09-16, Brian wrote: [that on some earlier date which has been clipped out, someone else - who happens to be The Wanderer - wrote:] >>> The dist-upgrade will have resulted in installing the >>> systemd-sysv package, which (despite its name) has nothi

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Brian
On Sun 15 Sep 2019 at 23:31:23 +0100, Roger Lynn wrote: > I have three Stretch AMD64 systems with sysvinit - a desktop and laptop > running KDE and a headless server. Is there any information available > anywhere to tell me what will happen when I attempt to upgrade them to > Buster? The release n

Re: Installation suitability for Dell laptop

2019-09-17 Thread didier . gaumet
Le lundi 16 septembre 2019 21:00:04 UTC+2, Étienne Mollier a écrit : [...] > does someone know if UEFI > prevents unsigned "driver" or "firmware" loading ? (or both?) [...] it forbids it if SecureBoot is activated: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Secure_Boot_limitations

[solved] Re: installed zfsutils-linux post-installation script returned exit status 1

2019-09-17 Thread Mark Allums
On 9/17/19 2:41 AM, Curt wrote: On 2019-09-17, Mark Allums wrote: Well, what you provided in the initial OP was a bit on the parsimonious side. Now that we know a little more maybe this is the applicable bug (although it concerns a previous version of the package, and you haven't said--or have

Re: Stretch to Buster with sysvinit

2019-09-17 Thread Curt
On 2019-09-16, Brian wrote: >> >> The dist-upgrade will have resulted in installing the systemd-sysv >> package, which (despite its name) has nothing to do with sysvinit; it is >> the package which sets systemd as the primary / active / default init >> system. >> >> Installing sysvinit-core will

Re: installed zfsutils-linux post-installation script returned exit status 1

2019-09-17 Thread Curt
On 2019-09-17, Mark Allums wrote: >> >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=923377 >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=915831 > > The first doesn't apply, and I don't think the second does, either. See > my new post in this thread. Well, what you provided in the