Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 03:24:32AM +0200, lee wrote: > > Klensin Standards Track[Page 71] > > > RFC 5321 SMTP October 2008 > > >if this address is null ("<>"), the receiver-SMTP MUST NOT send a >noti

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 10:06 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:52:32 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.deb

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:06:53 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 10:12 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 > > Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > >> On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > >>> On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >>> > > What's the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 10:12 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of time to test other init-systems. You use

Re: [exim4] rewrite left hand of email on outgoing mail

2014-10-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
My sympathies, I don't think it's an obvious location (ie outside of /etc/exim4) and I recall feeling similar when I eventually stumbled over it. > On 18 Oct 2014, at 00:52, Harry Putnam wrote: > > So, I just insert things the way I want them... and restart exim4? Yes but I don't think the res

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:26:11 -0400 Doug wrote: > /Snip/ > > That's not the problem. A few people have recognized the problem(s). > 1--Putting all your eggs (programs) in one basket. Making almost > everything have a dependency on systemd. Registry, anyone? > 2--Forcing the entire Linux communit

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Doug
On 10/18/2014 12:59 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > /snip/ > > I think that depends on what solution you propose, smart people listen. AMEN! > > >> I can say that I long ago upgraded to Jessie/systemd so that I could be >> the first to yell about it. I'm still looking at a 4 monitor/ 2 video >> car

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > >> > >> What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of > >> time to test other init-systems. > > > > You use KDE. Where you th

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:52:32 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: > > On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >> - Original Message - > > > >>> Now let's see what happens with this! > >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/201

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of time to test other init-systems. You use KDE. Where you there when KDE3 became KDE4 and broke our hearts? What a flame fest that was. Yet, you

Re: Installation disks

2014-10-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 17/10/14 01:01 PM, seeman doy wrote: hello there,,,i had read Edward is just starting an installation,,,i had started my installation of debian wheezy using the first CD of debian stable...I don't have any idea what it looks like after installing it,,,can u send me a picture or a screenshot

Re: failed to start remount root and kernel file system

2014-10-17 Thread lina
Hi, I managed to install the sysvinit and purge the systemd, it works. Just for the records, Best regards, lina On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:58:37PM +0800, lina wrote: >> I installed the lvm and its dependencies, it shows >> /local-premount/

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... The fun part will be to

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 18/10/14 12:34, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:15:01 -0700 (MST) > Buntunub wrote: > >> Pierre Frenkiel wrote >>> hi, --8<>8--- > My suspicion at this point would be either a > flaw in his smb.conf (which is easy to test by te

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting.

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Joel Rees writes: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:18 AM, lee wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> And, in fact, more and more ISPs are just accepting and discarding >>> emails to non-existent users because rejecting such email helps spammers >>> (any non-rejected email must be a valid user). >> >

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Joe writes: > Yes, although there should still be an audit trail. As I said to Harry > the other day, if you have a message ID from the receiving server you > (probably) can chase it up, and no reputable anti-spam software will > drop a message without keeping a log stating that it has done so. I

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 03:00:26 +0200 > lee wrote: > > >> But when it eats files and is 10 years behind, why are people buying >> it? >> >> So how can we safely store large amounts of data? > > I thought Postgres was supposed to be powerful, stable, reliable, and > great for l

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:20:25 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > According to what I understand as an engineer, everything that systemd > does beyond the minimum (in other words, beyond being the ultimate > backstop for signals and dying orphaned processes) should be > delegated. I would add that it should

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:15:01 -0700 (MST) Buntunub wrote: > Pierre Frenkiel wrote > > hi, > > it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) > > has a big number of bugs, among which the very long time to > > shutdown, mainly > > for samba (5 minutes). Trying to kill samba manually

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2014 21:09:59 Dan Ritter wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: >> > > I cannot believe some people still >> > > thinks [snip] tha

Re: how to boot in les than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Buntunub
Pierre Frenkiel wrote > hi, > it seems that tha last version of systemd in jessie (215-5+b1) > has a big number of bugs, among which the very long time to shutdown, > mainly > for samba (5 minutes). Trying to kill samba manually before the shutdown > did not solve the problem. If this is the futur

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Buntunub
Good work Ian. It is a well framed GR, and thank you to the seconds. The previous post about the Social Contract is spot-on. I believe the majority of folks who use Debian, do so because of the freedom of choice it provides in their computing environment. We should not ever allow for or accommodat

Re: Canon lbp6020

2014-10-17 Thread Rob Hurle
Radu Cotescu (google him) has packaged the drivers and a script which installs Canon printers. Unfortunately his most recent script and drivers are for Squeeze. I've modified his package for Wheezy, including the latest Canon drivers, and successfully installed my LBP7200Cdn printer on an i386 sy

Re: [exim4] rewrite left hand of email on outgoing mail

2014-10-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Jonathan Dowland writes: > iirc it's /etc/email-addresses. See also man etc-email-addresses Oh man don't tell me its that easy... I've been fussing around with this for a good while. I've read a good bit about it, Been thru several key documents, but never heard mention of this file, So, I

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:20:44 +0200, lee wrote: > Brian writes: > > > Not that I'm suggesting setting up exim to offer an invalid HELO; it > > will lead to trouble sooner or later. However, as a reason for mail > > being rejected or not arriving it doesn't come top of the list. > > Not accepti

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:18:14 +0200, lee wrote: > Brian writes: > > > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: > > > >> Harry Putnam writes: > >> > >> > lee writes: > >> > > >> > [...] > >> > > >> > Thanks for the tips. > >> > > >> >>> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd > >> > > >> >> That's an inva

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:15:49 +0200, lee wrote: > Brian writes: > > > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote: > > > >> Jonathan Dowland writes: > >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > >> >> > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? > >> >

Re: OT_Enlightenment Terminology-0.7 released

2014-10-17 Thread lee
maderios writes: > Hi > Excellent terminal (oddly not available in Debian) named Terminology > 0.7 just released Kinda cool, though rather slow compared to xterm. Can it substitute tmux? Do you know how to change the foreground colour through the settings? -- Again we must be afraid of spe

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:51:34 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > I meant > > /etc/init.d/nmbd > /etc/init.d/smbd > > Kind regards, > Andrei LOL, same here (in my advice on troubleshooting to Pierre)_. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training *

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:44:41 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: > > > are you all sure that the delay *does* happen during the shutdown of > > Samba? If it turns out not to be Samba, you've just needlessly > > chased your tail for hours or days. > >

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 08:06:11 -0400 Henning Follmann wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 02:08:47PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Marty" > > > > > > It seems like free software employment and market share come with > > > increasing risk to objectivity and tec

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 03:00:26 +0200 lee wrote: > But when it eats files and is 10 years behind, why are people buying > it? > > So how can we safely store large amounts of data? I thought Postgres was supposed to be powerful, stable, reliable, and great for lots of data. SteveT Steve Litt

Canon lbp6020

2014-10-17 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi
Hello, Could someone help with this printer? I tried almost all installation help with Google - but the printer didn't print anything. Thanks

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Brian writes: > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:06:27 +0200, lee wrote: > >> Harry Putnam writes: >> >> > lee writes: >> > >> > [...] >> > >> > Thanks for the tips. >> > >> >>> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd >> > >> >> That's an invalid helo string. >> > >> > Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? >> >>

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-17 Thread lee
John Holland writes: > I don't see zfs as super fast, lvm based raid would be faster. But > the snapshots and other features are awesome. I love cloning a vm > instantly. And not to forget the checksumming :) The checksumming is the nicer the more data you store. But seriously store large amo

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Brian writes: > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 04:12:04 +0200, lee wrote: > >> Jonathan Dowland writes: >> >> > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: >> >> > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? >> > snip >> >> Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machin

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > On 10/12/2014 10:24 PM, lee wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records. Anti-spam routines >> >> Who prevents a MUA from having an MX record and sending a HELO that >> matches the RDNS entry? And what are these "other th

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-17 Thread lee
John Holland writes: > http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html#WhatKernelVersionsAreSupported "Debian 7.0 (Wheezy) - x86_64" Unfortunately, that isn't sufficiently recent. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonab

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Reco writes: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 03:33:15AM +0200, lee wrote: >> > A correct guess. A recommended minimum is kernel 3.14 - [2]. >> >> So this is a rather new feature. How reliable and how well does it >> work? > > I wouldn't trust my data to that feature :) It has 'experimental' and > 'bi

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-17 Thread lee
Brian writes: > Not that I'm suggesting setting up exim to offer an invalid HELO; it > will lead to trouble sooner or later. However, as a reason for mail > being rejected or not arriving it doesn't come top of the list. Not accepting invalid HELOs is pretty high on the list because it's a very

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 October 2014 21:09:59 Dan Ritter wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > > the TC's authority reg

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: how come nmbd and smbd are launched, although the links in all /etc/rcxx to /etc/init.d/samba have been removed ? I found the answer: it was obvious but rather unexpected: the samba packages installs in /etc/init.d the samba AND nmbd and s

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Dan Ritter wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people still thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with the TC's authority regardless what. Surely no-one has ever said that?? Refe

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 oct 14, 22:26:02, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >On Vi, 17 oct 14, 14:48:19, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > >> > >> running: systemctl -a -t service | grep samba gives: > >> samba.serviceloadedinactive deadLSB: ensure Samba > >> da

Re: update tool

2014-10-17 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:29:11 -0400 Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/17/2014 03:27 PM, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:20:29 +0200 > > Diogene Laerce wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> On this page : > >> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html > >> > >

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: are you all sure that the delay *does* happen during the shutdown of Samba? If it turns out not to be Samba, you've just needlessly chased your tail for hours or days. I'm quite sure, because: 1/ there are a lot of bug reports against samba about thi

Re: update tool

2014-10-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/17/2014 03:27 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:20:29 +0200 Diogene Laerce wrote: Hi, On this page : https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html One says : "10.1.2.1 Manually checking which security updates are available Debian does have a specifi

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > I cannot believe some people still > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > the TC's authority regardless what. > > Surely no-one has ever said that?? Referenc

Re: [exim4] rewrite left hand of email on outgoing mail

2014-10-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
iirc it's /etc/email-addresses. See also man etc-email-addresses -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141017202729.gb16...@chew.redmars.org

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 17 oct 14, 14:48:19, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: running: systemctl -a -t service | grep samba gives: samba.serviceloadedinactive deadLSB: ensure Samba daemons are started (nmbd and smbd) This still not answers to my questi

Re: Openbox systemd-free

2014-10-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 12:50:56 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 17 oct 14, 10:16:45, Mark Carroll wrote: > > Steve Litt writes: > > (snip) > > > I'll also try to find a systemd-free alternative to LibreOffice, and to > > > Gnumeric (Gnumeric will be tough, it's actually a good program). > >

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-17 21:42 +0200, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. >> >> Guess I missed some sub threads or something... >> >> Oh well, glad to see it wil

Re: update tool

2014-10-17 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 oct 14, 20:20:29, Diogene Laerce wrote: > > Debian does have a specific tool to check if a system needs to be > updated but many users will just want to manually check if any > security updates are available for their system. " ... > So does anyone know what tool he does refer to ? The

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... The fun part will be to see who actually s

Re: update tool

2014-10-17 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:20:29 +0200 Diogene Laerce wrote: > Hi, > > On this page : > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html > > One says : "10.1.2.1 Manually checking which security updates are available > > Debian does have a specific tool to check if a sys

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/16/2014 11:30 PM, Marty wrote: On 10/16/2014 08:41 PM, Ric Moore wrote: But, I consider it idiotic to bash Red Hat as ~anyone~ with the guts can do what Bob Young did. Just gather some talented people together around a kitchen table and create your own distro. That is perfectly legal and

Re: Good news on claws-mail

2014-10-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 13:11:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > For those of you using Claws-Mail, you can keep it systemd-free into > the foreseeable future by disabling dbus, like this: > > ./configure --disable-dbus > > I've compiled Claws_Mail from source on Debian. It's fairly easy to do, > it ca

update tool

2014-10-17 Thread Diogene Laerce
Hi, On this page : https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html One says : "10.1.2.1 Manually checking which security updates are available Debian does have a specific tool to check if a system needs to be updated but many users will just want to manually check if any se

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > Seconds continue > > Bernhard R. Link > Dimitri John Ledkov > Arnaud Fontaine > Thorsten Glaser > > And once again loud cheers for Ian Jackson and the seconds Abso-Lutely! [snip] > However the contentiousness of this case clearly

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > I cannot believe some people still > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > the TC's authority regardless what. Surely no-one has ever said that?? References if someone has? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > Seconds continue > > Bernhard R. Link > Dimitri John Ledkov > Arnaud Fontaine > Thorsten Glaser > > And once again loud cheers for Ian Jackson and the seconds > > Some like Charles Plessy are distressed that this may be > de-motivatin

Re: A Systemd Second Chance (Sorta)

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:56:16 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > Systemd is a done deal, but this may thwart the potential dependency > issues: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/616571/rss After reading this, I triple my thanks to Ian. What he did took a lot of guts, even though it was the right thing to

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 1:01 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt >> wrote: > >>> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up >>> for (what I call) sanity. >> >> Still only 4 seconds though... > > Eh? > > I s

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Andre N Batista
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 01:01:44PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt > > wrote: > > >> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up > >> for (what I call) sanity. > > > > Still only 4 seconds th

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > > Rusi Mody wrote: > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >>> - Original Message - > Now let

[exim4] rewrite left hand of email on outgoing mail

2014-10-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Just now ran thru the ncurses interface you get with dpkg-reconfigure exim4.config On question you are asked is if you want to put a different domain on outgoing email I chose yes and inserted `newsguy.com' I never saw a way to rewrite the lefthand side of outgoing email. I need it to be `re

Good news on claws-mail

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, For those of you using Claws-Mail, you can keep it systemd-free into the foreseeable future by disabling dbus, like this: ./configure --disable-dbus I've compiled Claws_Mail from source on Debian. It's fairly easy to do, it can exist in tandem with the existing Claws-Mail (obviously rena

A Systemd Second Chance (Sorta)

2014-10-17 Thread Patrick Bartek
Systemd is a done deal, but this may thwart the potential dependency issues: http://lwn.net/Articles/616571/rss B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Tanstaafl" > > Still only 4 seconds though... Not true: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00012.htm There was an alternate proposal made by the Debian Leader. That may have only gotten 4 seconds (I didn't count), but apparently it does not

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: >> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up >> for (what I call) sanity. > > Still only 4 seconds though... Eh? I see at least 8 seconds so far, even if we ignore one which may n

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:38:12 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > > Rusi Mody wrote: > > > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >>> - Original Message - > >> > Now let's

Re: MTAs denying messages

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 12:03 PM, Joe wrote: > My point is that a mail server which is accepting mail for a domain > needs to know the valid recipient list, and to *reject*, not bounce, > mail for non-existent users during the SMTP transaction. Not > controversial at all. Ok, then no, you weren't clear at

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > Rusi Mody wrote: > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: >>> - Original Message - >> Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > The samba package does not properly clean up it's config files on > > upgrades. See the RC bug that's filed against samba. > > > > Run "update-rc.d samba remove" to fix that. > > >

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > > - Original Message - > > > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html > > > Very interesting di

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 oct 14, 14:48:19, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > >running: systemctl -a -t service | grep samba gives: >samba.serviceloadedinactive deadLSB: ensure Samba daemons > are started (nmbd and smbd) >This still not answers to my question. Why are you grepping for 'samba'

Re: MTAs denying messages

2014-10-17 Thread Joe
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:02:22 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/13/2014 4:21 AM, Joe wrote: > > The intention is that the spam emails be accepted by a catch-all > > domain-wide mail server, then later bounced by the one that holds > > the mailboxes and knows the addresses are invalid. > > And that,

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. -Rob Thank you Ian Jackson a

Re: XFCE + Konsole - sorting by terminal title?

2014-10-17 Thread francis picabia
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Martin Read wrote: > On 17/10/14 14:10, francis picabia wrote: > >> The problem is with finding terminals. I often have over 60 >> open at once. The task bar or whatever it is called >> in XFCE stacks the open Konsoles, but the listing >> of them is probably by

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html > Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. > -Rob Thank you Ian Jackson and al

Re: Torrent download link for Jessie

2014-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
Hello, On Friday 17 October 2014 15:09:46 Nilesh Kumar wrote: > Sir, Some of us are female. It is politer not to address women as "Sir". > I was trying to install Debian with cinnamon desktop manager, and found > that the current stable release does not support cinnamon desktop manager. > so wa

Re: Torrent download link for Jessie

2014-10-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:39:46PM +0530, Nilesh Kumar wrote: > 1. Can I install cinnamon desktop manager on current stable release of > wheezy, if yes please provide a link explaining the procedure. I don't know the answer to 1., I'm answering 2.: > 2. Can i download the *Jessie* release with to

Torrent download link for Jessie

2014-10-17 Thread Nilesh Kumar
Sir, I was trying to install Debian with cinnamon desktop manager, and found that the current stable release does not support cinnamon desktop manager. so wanted to download *Jessie *release, but cound't find the torrent file, so request you to answer 2 questions 1. Can I install cinnamon desktop

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: goli...@riseup.net > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: XFCE + Konsole - sorting by terminal title?

2014-10-17 Thread Martin Read
On 17/10/14 14:10, francis picabia wrote: The problem is with finding terminals. I often have over 60 open at once. The task bar or whatever it is called in XFCE stacks the open Konsoles, but the listing of them is probably by the order of which they were opened. I'd rather it was alphabetical,

XFCE + Konsole - sorting by terminal title?

2014-10-17 Thread francis picabia
This might be one of those scenarios where I have not found the best search terms for google. I'm running XFCE and Konsole for terminal. When I ssh into a system, the title for the Konsole updates to the hostname of the remote system. Even works for Solaris, so this is good. The problem is with f

Re: how to shutdown in less than 8 minutes

2014-10-17 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Peter Viskup wrote: Hi Pierre, you can answer your question by yourself by having a look into directory /lib/systemd/system and read systemctl man page. Small hint could be to run 'systemctl -a -t service' command. Some more information about systemd in Debain can be read o

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 17/10/14 23:06, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 02:08:47PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Marty" >>> >>> It seems like free software employment and market share come >>> with increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's >>> my

Re: Openbox systemd-free

2014-10-17 Thread Pete Orrall
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > The first task of my project is done. Openbox is systemd-free, and is > intended to be systemd free. So that will form the GUI foundation. I'll > come back in the next few days with some systemd-free panels that go > well with Openbo

Re: recent, stable (debian-based) desktop solution without blobs?

2014-10-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 17/10/14 22:53, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2014 11:25:43 Scott Ferguson wrote: >> Blobs? Your choice with Debian (and at least some derivatives) >> providing *you* don't choose hardware that requires it. Debian does >> provide some nonfree kernel blobs. > > By default the kernel i

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-17 Thread Henning Follmann
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 02:08:47PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Marty" > > > > It seems like free software employment and market share come with > > increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main > > concern as a Debian user, as I consider

Re: recent, stable (debian-based) desktop solution without blobs?

2014-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 October 2014 11:25:43 Scott Ferguson wrote: > Blobs? Your choice with Debian (and at least some derivatives) providing > *you* don't choose hardware that requires it. Debian does provide some > nonfree kernel blobs. By default the kernel in the Debian installer contains no blobs. You

Re: recent, stable (debian-based) desktop solution without blobs?

2014-10-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 17/10/14 21:45, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 16.10.2014 11:05, Wim Bertels a écrit : >> Hallo, >> >> which distro would u recommend given the following wishes: >> - debian/debian based >> - stable >> - recent (ie debian stable being to old for the desktop in my opinion) >> - n

Re: recent, stable (debian-based) desktop solution without blobs?

2014-10-17 Thread davidson
b.m wrote: > > Le 16.10.2014 11:05, Wim Bertels a écrit: >> Hallo, >> >> which distro would u recommend given the following wishes: [snip] >> - no blobs (ie closed firmware for example) in the kernel or >> default installation [snip] >> Is it correct to assume the only derivatives of debian contain

Re: MTAs denying messages

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/13/2014 4:21 AM, Joe wrote: > The intention is that the spam emails be accepted by a catch-all > domain-wide mail server, then later bounced by the one that holds the > mailboxes and knows the addresses are invalid. And that, by definition, is backscatter, which will quickly (and deservedly

Re: recent, stable (debian-based) desktop solution without blobs?

2014-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2014 11:05, Wim Bertels a écrit : Hallo, which distro would u recommend given the following wishes: - debian/debian based - stable - recent (ie debian stable being to old for the desktop in my opinion) - no blobs (ie closed firmware for example) in the kernel or default installation

Re: Openbox systemd-free

2014-10-17 Thread Martin Read
On 17/10/14 10:16, Mark Carroll wrote: Steve Litt writes: (snip) I'll also try to find a systemd-free alternative to LibreOffice, and to Gnumeric (Gnumeric will be tough, it's actually a good program). (snip) LibreOffice is enormously useful for Microsoft Office compatibility. Why on Earth do

Official Terminology deb package available now in Sid

2014-10-17 Thread maderios
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