Joe <j...@jretrading.com> writes: > Yes, although there should still be an audit trail. As I said to Harry > the other day, if you have a message ID from the receiving server you > (probably) can chase it up, and no reputable anti-spam software will > drop a message without keeping a log stating that it has done so. It is > generally possible to find out why a legitimate message was dropped, > though of course, somewhat after the event.
Dropping a message is a malfunction. >> And... these things ARE covered, at least in part, by RFCs" >> >> RFC5321 (latest SMTP spec), Section 6.2. (Unwanted, Unsolicited, and >> "Attack" Messages) makes for interesting reading. >> >> For example: >> "As discussed in Section 7.8 and Section 7.9 below, dropping mail >> without notification of the sender is permitted in practice. However, >> it is extremely dangerous and violates a long tradition and community >> expectations that mail is either delivered or returned. If silent >> message-dropping is misused, it could easily undermine confidence in >> the reliability of the Internet's mail systems. So silent dropping of >> messages should be considered only in those cases where there is very >> high confidence that the messages are seriously fraudulent or >> otherwise inappropriate." >> > There Is No Alternative. If a message is malicious spam, then it is > absolutely certain that the 'From:' is forged, and no messages should > be sent to it. There is some spam which might be called 'genuine', in > that a real business has sent it under the impression that UCE is a > legitimate marketing tool. In those cases only, a bounce message would > be appropriate, but sometimes even I'm not sure whether a spam falls > into this category. You are mistaken. You send a bounce only for messages you accepted and then can not deliver. Such cases are extremely rare, and if it happens, you need to investigate. You do not accept messages you can not deliver unless you are relaying them. If you can not deliver a message you're relaying, it's not only appropriate to send a bounce but a requirement. It's really that simple. Sections 7.8 and 7.9 of RFC5321 do *not* suggest to drop messages. On the contrary, your *only* alternatives are either denying the message if you really have to, or sending a bounce in case you have accepted a message and can not deliver it: "6.2. Unwanted, Unsolicited, and "Attack" Messages Utility and predictability of the Internet mail system requires that messages that can be delivered should be delivered, regardless of any syntax or other faults associated with those messages and regardless of their content. If they cannot be delivered, and cannot be rejected by the SMTP server during the SMTP transaction, they should be "bounced" (returned with non-delivery notification messages) as described above. In today's world, in which many SMTP server operators have discovered that the quantity of undesirable bulk email vastly exceeds the quantity of desired mail and in which accepting a message may trigger additional undesirable traffic by providing verification of the address, those principles may not be practical. As discussed in Section 7.8 and Section 7.9 below, dropping mail without notification of the sender is permitted in practice."[1] Read the following sections the RFC refers to along with the above: "7.8. Resistance to Attacks In recent years, there has been an increase of attacks on SMTP servers, either in conjunction with attempts to discover addresses for sending unsolicited messages or simply to make the servers inaccessible to others (i.e., as an application-level denial of service attack). While the means of doing so are beyond the scope of this Standard, rational operational behavior requires that servers be permitted to detect such attacks and take action to defend themselves. For example, if a server determines that a large number of RCPT TO commands are being sent, most or all with invalid addresses, as part of such an attack, it would be reasonable for the server to close the connection after generating an appropriate number of 5yz (normally 550) replies. 7.9. Scope of Operation of SMTP Servers It is a well-established principle that an SMTP server may refuse to accept mail for any operational or technical reason that makes sense to the site providing the server. However, cooperation among sites and installations makes the Internet possible. If sites take excessive advantage of the right to reject traffic, the ubiquity of email availability (one of the strengths of the Internet) will be threatened; considerable care should be taken and balance maintained if a site decides to be selective about the traffic it will accept and process."[2] What the RFC obviously means by "dropping mail without notification of the sender" is that you do not need to *bounce* a message and that you are allowed to instead *reject* a message. You may also want to look at [3]: "6.1. Reliable Delivery and Replies by Email When the receiver-SMTP accepts a piece of mail (by sending a "250 OK" message in response to DATA), it is accepting responsibility for delivering or relaying the message. It must take this responsibility seriously. It MUST NOT lose the message for frivolous reasons, such as because the host later crashes or because of a predictable resource shortage. Some reasons that are not considered frivolous are discussed in the next subsection and in Section 7.8. If there is a delivery failure after acceptance of a message, the receiver-SMTP MUST formulate and mail a notification message. This notification MUST be sent using a null ("<>") reverse-path in the envelope. The recipient of this notification MUST be the address from the envelope return path (or the Return-Path: line). However, Klensin Standards Track [Page 71] RFC 5321 SMTP October 2008 if this address is null ("<>"), the receiver-SMTP MUST NOT send a notification." This clearly tells you that you *must not* drop or otherwise loose a message once you have accepted it and that you *must* send a bounce when the message can not be delivered. Apparently the RFC was merely adjusted a bit to common practise (compared to 821) in this point: Optionally denying messages has been abused to avoid SPAM, in lack of better options. With no better options available, 5321 now reluctantly allows you to deny messages when you have very good reasons (like SPAM) to do so. It does not allow you to silently drop them, and it's still true that it is totally unacceptable to silently loose messages. Please do configure your MTAs accordingly. And that includes whoever runs this mailing list: When you block messages, the senders must be informed that the delivery to the list has failed. --- I cannot verify whether messages sent to this list have been silently dropped. If they have, how do I make a bug report about it? Does anyone have proof? 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