On 10/14/2014 11:35 PM, John Aten wrote:
Terminology work with full functionality (cat pictures, etc) on Debian without
installing the whole Enlightenment window manager? For some reason, I didn't
think this was the case.
To compile Terminology, install all Enlightenment + Efl dev libs
pack
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:35:54 -0400
Marty wrote:
>
> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/whos-writing-linux
>
> Say hello to our new bosses?
Check out what single company has 30% of the gatekeepers. Surprise,
surprise.
SteveT
Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.co
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On 14/10/2014 11:01 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I suspect any list with "offtopic" in its name will get ignored when
> there is a large number of people want to say something about a specific
> topic.
Absolutely, it helps hide problems under the rug
On 15/10/14 06:01, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 15/10/14 03:33, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 15/10/14 01:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 14/10/14 23:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On
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On 14/10/2014 8:09 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> aptitude search '?depends(^systemd$)'
# aptitude search '?depends(^systemd$)'
Wednesday 15 October 14:54:30 EST 2014 -- search ?depends(^systemd$)
p libpam-systemd
- system and service m
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On 14/10/2014 3:14 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Joey Hess wrote:
> Well I guess I'd find it a lot cleaner to make the choice as part of
> installation, rather than have systemd installed as a default and then
> have to uninstall it. I hate unwin
On 10/14/2014 at 08:02 PM, lee wrote:
> The Wanderer writes:
>
>> In my case, I don't install popcon because it pollutes the
>> tab-completion namespace for 'popd' in a root shell. That
>> interferes with my workflow
>
> Are you actually using this completion stuff? It always gets into
> my wa
On 10/14/2014 at 04:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 09:55:55, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> I could, but that would have to be re-done on every upgrade of the
>> package, and doing it on every machine where I'm likely to want to
>> work in a root shell would be a pain at best - and d
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 06:40:01PM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:33:55 +0100
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > This to one of our best and most measured contributors. It's enough to
> > make one weep.
>
> He could have been the pope. His attitude is part of the problem, no
On 10/14/2014 6:50 PM, lee wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>
>> On 10/13/2014 7:57 PM, lee wrote:
>>> Martin Read writes:
>>>
On 12/10/14 23:04, lee wrote:
> Bas Wijnen writes:
>> Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to
>> be seconded by at least 5
Olav Vitters writes:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 06:18:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
>> Considering that the users are Debians' priority, couldn't this issue be
>> a case in which significant concerns from/of the users about an issue
>> might initiate a GR? Wouldn't it speak loudly for Debian and its way
The Wanderer writes:
> In my case, I don't install popcon because it pollutes the
> tab-completion namespace for 'popd' in a root shell. That interferes
> with my workflow
Are you actually using this completion stuff? It always gets into my
way and I keep it disabled or removed.
--
Again we
Jerry Stuckle writes:
> On 10/13/2014 7:57 PM, lee wrote:
>> Martin Read writes:
>>
>>> On 12/10/14 23:04, lee wrote:
Bas Wijnen writes:
> Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to
> be seconded by at least 5 other members (constitution 4.2.1, 4.2.7).
Jonathan Dowland writes:
> ask questions anyway. But I, and I imagine many of my DD colleagues, are
> particularly interested in ensuring -user is a useful resource for our users,
> and by filtering out people, we don't get a clear picture of just how broken
> the list is.
There is a lot of tole
Steve Litt writes:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:50:32 +0200
> lee wrote:
>
>> Joey Hess writes:
>>
>> > So at this point, most of us are pretty tired of the subject.
>>
>> And just ignore it and the consequences because you're tired of
>> thinking about it?
>
> Lee, he has a point. He sees nothin
On 10/14/2014 12:47 PM, Brian wrote:
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 12:06:11 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:02:10AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:05:06 -0400
> Henning Follmann wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:56:40AM -0400, Marty wrote:
> > > It se
On 10/14/2014 12:10 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Marty wrote:
It seems like free software employment and market share come with
increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality.
People have to eat. Almost everyone who works on Debian has someone who
pays them.
It's my ma
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 06:11:31PM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:43:48 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > There's -offtopic (see my .sig), but apparently the anti-systemd crowd
> > wants an audience :(
>
> Stop your condescending tone, and make your self useful by
Curt :
>
> Given the number of retarded posts we've seen in the last couple of
> weeks, you might think things would be cooled off by now, but no.
This's DU. This sort of thing is expected, even welcomed. People
expressing passionate opinions wrt their choice of software? Great!
Consider th
Just got latest upgrade of Chrome Stable (38.0.2125.104-1) for my Wheezy
64-bit (Openbox WM only) directly from Google repo. Pepperflash player
(15.0.0.189) now working.
And it only took a month and a half. ;-)
B
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Anders Wegge Keller :
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:33:55 +0100
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > This to one of our best and most measured contributors. It's enough to
> > make one weep.
>
> He could have been the pope. His attitude is part of the problem, not the
I didn't think that at all. I do thi
I managed to get sendmail sort of working on one of my vbox guest
debian vms.
It was kind of rough sledding and still not really working properly.
I use a smarthost from fastmail.fm where I have accounts. Finally
seems to have gotten the auth working thru access.db.
But an odd thing is happening
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:15:40 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 16:31:04, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > Of course, then there's the matters of upstreams requiring
> > systemd...
>
> As far as I understand none of the upstreams are actually requiring
> systemd itself (or more accuratel
Whenever I do an
aptitude update
it seems to work OK, except for a series of messages at the end:
W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/
source/SourcesIndex: Hash Sum mismatch
W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/
binary-i38
On Ma, 14 oct 14, 16:31:04, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Of course, then there's the matters of upstreams requiring systemd...
As far as I understand none of the upstreams are actually requiring
systemd itself (or more accurately systemd-logind), but the interfaces
it is providing. And it also seems t
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:11:31 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
>
> ... make your self useful by reading a
> book about change mangament.
Without in any way endorsing or criticizing anything else that's
happened in this thread, I'd like to ask what are some relatively simple
change management boo
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:17:27 -0500
Richard Owlett wrote:
> Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:43:48 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >> There's -offtopic (see my .sig), but apparently the anti-systemd
> >> crowd wants an audience :(
> >
> > Stop your condescending tone,
On Ma, 14 oct 14, 09:55:55, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> I could, but that would have to be re-done on every upgrade of the
> package, and doing it on every machine where I'm likely to want to work
> in a root shell would be a pain at best - and doing it on just some of
> them would result in my trippi
On Ma, 14 oct 14, 15:51:09, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> Sadly not. If I were reading -user entirely for my own delectation, I'd have
> filtered many regulars long ago. Or simply stopped reading it, since I rarely
> ask questions anyway. But I, and I imagine many of my DD colleagues, are
> particul
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:35:34 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 16:48, Steve Litt wrote:
> > So are you saying I could use sysvinit or nosh as my PID1, drop in
> > libpam-systemd and no other systemd components, and have all PAM
> > functionalities run properly?
>
> Thank you for the clarifi
On 15/10/2014, francis picabia wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 15/10/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, francis picabia wrote:
>>>
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Bret Busby
wrote:
> On 04/09/2014, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 06:18:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
> Considering that the users are Debians' priority, couldn't this issue be
> a case in which significant concerns from/of the users about an issue
> might initiate a GR? Wouldn't it speak loudly for Debian and its ways
> and for what it stands f
On Ma, 14 oct 14, 16:03:07, Martin Read wrote:
>
> [0] I've seen the relevant fragment posted recently, but I can't remember
> where and I don't remember the exact contents.
Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: version *
Pin-Priority: -1
Explanation: prevent installation of systemd-sysv
'P
Hi,
The Wanderer writes:
> Unfortunately, not everyone - or even everyone who would be willing to
> provide such feedback, or even actively interested in doing so - is
> going to install that.
Luckily, popcon is opt-in anyway, so this has no effect whatsoever on
it's quality as a data source.
B
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:43:48 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
There's -offtopic (see my .sig), but apparently the anti-systemd crowd
wants an audience :(
Stop your condescending tone,
CAREFUL, you insert foot-in-mouth past clavicle
... and make your self useful
On Tue, 10/14/14, Brian wrote:
Subject: Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 12:22 PM
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 10:47:13 -0500, goli...@riseup.net wrote:
On Tue, 10/14/14, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Subject: Re: piece of min
On 10/14/2014 12:03 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/14/2014 8:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> If you think I'm kidding, please by all means go make these silly
>>> statements on the postfix list and I'll just sit and watch the fun.
>
>> You don't read very
On 10/14/2014 12:40 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
I do not want to hear from someone acting out of a misplaced sense of
loyalty. I want someone who actually is capable of seeing why elitism isn't
going to save Debian in this case, to come forward, and create a place where
the issue can be has
On 10/14/2014 11:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 10:52 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:48:38AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> Rejecting will actually *reduce* traffic, because it doesn't accept the
>>> entire messages, it slams the door at the RCPT-TO stage.
>
>> Re
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 14:22:03 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> >Depends what you mean by "supported". There is no problem in installing
> >sysvinit after an upgrade or before upgrading. It works really well.
>
> "No problem" is easier to say than to validate.
>
> First off, there's
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 15/10/14 03:33, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 15/10/14 01:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 14/10/14 23:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 18:30:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Gee assuming that you don
On 2014-10-14, John Hasler wrote:
>
> "Moderation" usually means that some natural person reads and approves
> or disapproves every item. That's clearly not the case here. What the
> actual policy is, as you say, unclear. It appears that the listmasters
> occasionally block a poster and occasio
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 15/10/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, francis picabia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 04/09/2014, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Can anyone confirm if development continues on alpine
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:27:14AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 11:09 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > In a quest to ensure your personal happiness the systemd maintainers
> > took your problem and changed udev to assign predictable names to
> > network interfaces.
>
> And which resulte
Brian wrote:
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 12:33:06 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott Ferguson wrote:
I'm guessing you really don't want an OS without logging... :)
syslog works just fine - don't need (or want) systemd to take over
logging with a binary format
The journal logs to rsyslog by default
On 10/14/2014 1:31 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
> You're talking past each other.
No, we're not, Jerry is arguing arguing against recipient validation on
mail servers, and I'm correcting some of the bad/mis-information he is
relying on when trying to support his argument.
> Still, the current "standard"
On 15/10/14 03:11, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:43:48 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
>> There's -offtopic (see my .sig), but apparently the anti-systemd crowd
>> wants an audience :(
>
> Stop your condescending tone,
-8<>8
> If yo
On 15/10/14 03:33, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 15/10/14 01:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 14/10/14 23:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 18:30:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Gee assuming that you
Well, this really is OT for debian-users, but Turns out that SMTP
WAS/IS intended to be reliable.
I'd always lumped SMTP in the category of unreliable protocols, w/o
guaranteed delivery - but then, being a bit pedantic, I went back to the
source RFC 821, SMTP, authored by Jon Postel, and
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 12:33:06 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
> >I'm guessing you really don't want an OS without logging... :)
>
> syslog works just fine - don't need (or want) systemd to take over
> logging with a binary format
The journal logs to rsyslog by default on De
On 15/10/2014, francis picabia wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Bret Busby wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:35:47
>>> From: Bret Busby
>>> To: debian-user
>>> Subject: Re: alpine status?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, francis picabia w
On 15/10/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, francis picabia wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> On 04/09/2014, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Can anyone confirm if development continues on alpine?
I am getting mixed messages about this, one from my
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Bret Busby wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:35:47
>> From: Bret Busby
>> To: debian-user
>> Subject: Re: alpine status?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, francis picabia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM, B
On 14/10/14 16:48, Steve Litt wrote:
So are you saying I could use sysvinit or nosh as my PID1, drop in
libpam-systemd and no other systemd components, and have all PAM
functionalities run properly?
Thank you for the clarification.
The short and vague answer is "no"; PAM modules that depend on
Oh, dear. Somebody is WRONG on the Internet!
You're talking past each other.
Still, the current "standard" e-mail protocols were never meant to be
either reliable or secure, and their is a very good reason for that. People
may not be as reliable as machines in executing protocols, but they cannot
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 10:47:13 -0500, goli...@riseup.net wrote:
> On Tue, 10/14/14, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 1:56 AM
>
> You are still writing as if you are going to be
Miles Fidelman writes:
> - unclear posting policy:
> --- says it's open (anyone can post) - but haven't actually tested whether
> it really means subscribers-only (note, some Debian lists are actually
> fully open - for example debian-boot is both a list and the contact address
> for the installer
I for one just did the following.
I went to the mailing list page included in the recent post shared below.
I followed the instructions provided there for join the alpine
info list,
and less than two minutes ago got a request to confirm my subscription
to the mailing list.
Seems active e
On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 12:06:11 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:02:10AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:05:06 -0400
> > Henning Follmann wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:56:40AM -0400, Marty wrote:
> > > > It seems like free software empl
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Bret Busby wrote:
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:35:47
From: Bret Busby
To: debian-user
Subject: Re: alpine status?
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, francis picabia wrote:
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 04/09/2014, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Can anyone confirm if d
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:33:55 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> This to one of our best and most measured contributors. It's enough to
> make one weep.
He could have been the pope. His attitude is part of the problem, not the
solution. If you have read the book about change management, you know what
I'
Hi
Excellent terminal (oddly not available in Debian) named Terminology
0.7 just released
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/apps/terminology/
https://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=download&l=en
Main changes:
- Internationalization and Localization support
- Configurable key bindings
- Ad
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, francis picabia wrote:
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 04/09/2014, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Can anyone confirm if development continues on alpine?
I am getting mixed messages about this, one from my web hosting company
suggesting I join the developer'
On Tuesday 14 October 2014 17:11:31 Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:43:48 +0300
>
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > There's -offtopic (see my .sig), but apparently the anti-systemd crowd
> > wants an audience :(
>
> Stop your condescending tone, and make your self useful by reading
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 15/10/14 01:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 14/10/14 23:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 18:30:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Gee assuming that you don't run anything that has systemd
dependencies
and/or systemd-shim
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 04:29:50 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:40:59AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:50:32 +0200
> > lee wrote:
> >
> > > Joey Hess writes:
> > >
> > > > So at this point, most of us are pretty tired of the subject.
> > >
> > >
On 14/10/14 16:05, Scott Ferguson wrote:
And how should we interpret that in light of your signature and constant
plugging of your business on the list?
Perhaps Joey Hess's signature holds the answer?
I presume you mean Joel Rees (yes, I get their names mixed up
occasionally too), since Joey H
On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 8:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> If you think I'm kidding, please by all means go make these silly
>> statements on the postfix list and I'll just sit and watch the fun.
> You don't read very well. This has nothing to do with emails to a v
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:43:48 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> There's -offtopic (see my .sig), but apparently the anti-systemd crowd
> wants an audience :(
Stop your condescending tone, and make your self useful by reading a book
about change mangament. I don't know who you are or what your merit
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Marty wrote:
> It seems like free software employment and market share come with
> increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality.
People have to eat. Almost everyone who works on Debian has someone who
pays them.
> It's my main concern as a Debian user, as I consider r
On 15/10/14 02:02, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:05:06 -0400
> Henning Follmann wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:56:40AM -0400, Marty wrote:
>>> It seems like free software employment and market share come with
>>> increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my m
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:02:10AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:05:06 -0400
> Henning Follmann wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:56:40AM -0400, Marty wrote:
> > > It seems like free software employment and market share come with
> > > increasing risk to objectivity and
On 15/10/14 01:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 14/10/14 23:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 18:30:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Gee assuming that you don't run anything that has systemd
> dependencies
> and/or systemd-s
On Tue, 10/14/14, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Subject: Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 1:56 AM
You are still writing as if you are going to be forced to run systemd,
despite
being repeatedly told that multiple init syste
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 03:53:48AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:31:19AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Chris Bannister writes:
I thought there was a difference between a closed list (only
subscribers can post) and a moderated list (each post is scr
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:37:30 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 15:56, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:25:23 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >> Have you actually looked into what depends on systemd?
> >
> > PAM is enough for me, considering everything that uses PAM. They
> > c
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:56:40AM -0400, Marty wrote:
> > It seems like free software employment and market share come with
> > increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main
> > concern as a Debian use
On 14/10/14 15:56, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:25:23 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Have you actually looked into what depends on systemd?
PAM is enough for me, considering everything that uses PAM. They could
have made their PAM plug compatible with the old PAM, but nooo.
I f
On 14/10/14 16:06, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> 1) Boycott (and be vocal about it) Gnome
>
> 2) Pressure all other upstreams into a "no systemd dependencies"
>pledge, and to the best of our abilities, boycott (and be vocal about
>it) those who don't comply.
>
Well, you should have no problem w
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:40:59AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:50:32 +0200
> lee wrote:
>
> > Joey Hess writes:
> >
> > > So at this point, most of us are pretty tired of the subject.
> >
> > And just ignore it and the consequences because you're tired of
> > thinking abo
On 10/14/2014 11:09 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> In a quest to ensure your personal happiness the systemd maintainers
> took your problem and changed udev to assign predictable names to
> network interfaces.
And which resulted in much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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On 10/14/2014 10:52 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:48:38AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> Rejecting will actually *reduce* traffic, because it doesn't accept the
>> entire messages, it slams the door at the RCPT-TO stage.
> Rejection can happen after the DATA phase as well.
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:46:11PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I assume you find it more productive to bury your head in the sand
about potential impacts of really major changes to the plumbing of a
platform, and wait for things to break after-the-fact?
I suspect Steve
On 10/14/2014 8:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/13/2014 9:53 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Not a grey area at all. "...dropping mail > without notification of the
>> sender is permitted...". As for the "...long tradition and community
>> expectations..." - that's nice, but according to some estima
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 03:53:48AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:31:19AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > Chris Bannister writes:
> > > I thought there was a difference between a closed list (only
> > > subscribers can post) and a moderated list (each post is scrutinised
>
Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Hi Miles,
On 10/14/2014 16:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Actually, udev is the ONLY thing I've had issues with in over a decade
of production use. Changed out a nic card, and everything changed -
because udev decided to assign the new interface to some other port (or
some s
On 15/10/14 01:51, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:40:59AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> The solution is trivial. If, as everyone claims, we're such a minority,
>> he could filter us all out and never see our posts again. Problem
>> solved.
>
> Sadly not. If I were reading -user
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:51:09 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:40:59AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > The solution is trivial. If, as everyone claims, we're such a
> > minority, he could filter us all out and never see our posts again.
> > Problem solved.
>
> Sadly not. If
Stephen Allen wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 03:35:51PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > Am 13.10.2014 um 12:06 schrieb Stephen Allen:
> > > I too had experienced this, seems to be fixed as of yesterday.
> > > Thanks Michael.
> >
> > Unfortunately, this is not fixed yet.
> > Apparently the start
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:33:56 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 10:40:34, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> > On 14/10/2014 9:50 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8
> > > (jessie) release of Debian. So you can continue to boot your
> > > p
On 10/14/2014 at 10:53 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:31:19AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>
>> Chris Bannister writes:
>>
>>> I thought there was a difference between a closed list (only
>>> subscribers can post) and a moderated list (each post is
>>> scrutinised for eligi
Hi Miles,
On 10/14/2014 16:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Actually, udev is the ONLY thing I've had issues with in over a decade
> of production use. Changed out a nic card, and everything changed -
> because udev decided to assign the new interface to some other port (or
> some such - it's been a w
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:05:06 -0400
Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:56:40AM -0400, Marty wrote:
> > It seems like free software employment and market share come with
> > increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main
> > concern as a Debian user, as I consi
On 14/10/14 14:33, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Which brings us back to how upgrades and new installs will be handled -
will there be an option to go right to sysvinit-core, or will we have to
manually uninstall systemd and anything that depends on it? Getting all
the metapackages and dependencies righ
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:25:23 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 13 oct 14, 18:30:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> > Gee assuming that you don't run anything that has systemd
> > dependencies and/or systemd-shim is actually maintained and kept
> > up-to-date.
>
> Have you actually looked in
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:56:17 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> You are still writing as if you are going to be forced to run
> systemd, despite being repeatedly told that multiple init systems
> will be supported. I'm really struggling to continue to presume "good
> faith" on your part now.
Hi Jo
Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 14/10/14 23:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 18:30:41, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Gee assuming that you don't run anything that has systemd
dependencies
and/or systemd-shim is actually maintained and kept up-to-date.
Have you actually l
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:31:19AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Chris Bannister writes:
> > I thought there was a difference between a closed list (only
> > subscribers can post) and a moderated list (each post is scrutinised
> > for eligibility) --- or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
>
> Th
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:48:38AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Rejecting will actually *reduce* traffic, because it doesn't accept the
> entire messages, it slams the door at the RCPT-TO stage.
Rejection can happen after the DATA phase as well. It's better if spam can be
identified and rejected befo
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:40:59AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> The solution is trivial. If, as everyone claims, we're such a minority,
> he could filter us all out and never see our posts again. Problem
> solved.
Sadly not. If I were reading -user entirely for my own delectation, I'd have
filtered
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