Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-07 Thread Reco
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 08:21:14PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > Kernel modules that are needed for the boot process itself reside in the > > initrd, and he copies that. > > For the *early* boot process. I.e. mounting the root filesystem and not > much else. Indeed. So, considering worst case

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, August 8, 2014 5:40:01 AM UTC+5:30, Joel Rees wrote: > On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 6:19 AM, AW wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:44:39 -0400 > > Tom H wrote: > > > journalctl has output options: > > > -o, --output= > > > Controls the formatting of the journal entries that are shown. Takes

Re: dieting/losing weight programs?

2014-08-07 Thread Rusi Mody
On Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:00:01 PM UTC+5:30, Sharon Kimble wrote: > I've recently been looking in the jessie repos for any programme relating > to diet management, or weight management, i.e. anything at all about > dieting or losing weight. And I can't find any! The nearest I could find > was f

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 8/7/2014 8:28 PM, AW wrote: > On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:03:56 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > > > You do understand the chicken-and-egg nature of what you're asking for? > > > > You're needing to output logs to but up servers, but you have to boot > > a server as complex as anySQL server to get th

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread AW
On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:03:56 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > You do understand the chicken-and-egg nature of what you're asking for? > > You're needing to output logs to but up servers, but you have to boot > a server as complex as anySQL server to get there. I wasn't going to continue on this thre

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 6:19 AM, AW wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:44:39 -0400 > Tom H wrote: > > > journalctl has output options: > > > > -o, --output= > > > > Controls the formatting of the journal entries that are shown. Takes > > one of the following options: > > Seems fine to me after l

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Brian wrote: > On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 16:53:10 +0300, David Baron wrote: > >> On Thursday 07 August 2014 14:21:45 Brian wrote: >> > >> > This is part of the transition to systemd plan. >> > >> > https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no >> > >> > Also,

Re: Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-07 Thread Joel Rees
Cognitive dissonance? On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:24 AM, PaulNM wrote: > Hi, please reply to the list as I am subscribed. > > On 08/07/2014 05:56 PM, Johann Spies wrote: >> For the sake of clarity: The failure to boot was on the dist-upgraded >> system and was due to systemd.sysfs. I will not repea

Re: Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-07 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Brian wrote: > On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 20:25:22 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > >> After rescuing two laptops which were unbootable after the installation of >> systemd-sysfs I had problems with stuff as bluetooth and some of the >> services. > > There are wiser and more

Re: Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-07 Thread PaulNM
Hi, please reply to the list as I am subscribed. On 08/07/2014 05:56 PM, Johann Spies wrote: > For the sake of clarity: The failure to boot was on the dist-upgraded > system and was due to systemd.sysfs. I will not repeat what I said in my > previous thread about this (see 'Systemd waisted 5 hour

Re: Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-07 Thread Johann Spies
Apologies for top-posting. I was working in my browser which hided the rest of the stuff and I forgot to delete it. Johann -- Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself, my lips will praise you. (Psalm 63:3)

Re: Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-07 Thread Johann Spies
For the sake of clarity: The failure to boot was on the dist-upgraded system and was due to systemd.sysfs. I will not repeat what I said in my previous thread about this (see 'Systemd waisted 5 hours of my time'). My installation of stable was exactly to escape the nightmares of systemd.sysfs whi

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread AW
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:44:39 -0400 Tom H wrote: > journalctl has output options: > > -o, --output= > > Controls the formatting of the journal entries that are shown. Takes > one of the following options: Seems fine to me after letting go of first impression of distrust in new things... H

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM, AW wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:19:03 +0100 > Darac Marjal wrote: > > > Consider it to be another database format. You wouldn't necessarily try > > to cat a MySQL or PostgreSQL datastore; you'd use the appropriate tools > > to select all from it. > > Yes. Bu

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:28:08 -0400 Rob Owens wrote: Hello Rob, >I do miss the ability to grep my bookmarks.html file. Maybe there's a >way to do it with sqlite, but I never learned. Whilst it's not as convenient as grepping a (nominally) text file, there's a plug-in available for Ff that may b

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:19:03 +0100 Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:01:41AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > I don't necessarily disagree, but I very strongly believe its first > > step should be to go to a text file with one line per event, or > > perhaps some sublines. If that text

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread AW
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:28:08 -0400 Rob Owens wrote: > I do miss the ability to grep my bookmarks.html file. Maybe there's a > way to do it with sqlite, but I never learned. > > One thing that attracted me to Linux many years ago was that due to its > Unix heritage, You use the SQL langua

Re: Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-07 Thread PaulNM
On 08/07/2014 02:25 PM, Johann Spies wrote: > After rescuing two laptops which were unbootable after the installation > of systemd-sysfs I had problems with stuff as bluetooth and some of the > services. > > So I decided to do a clean install of stable and got going - until I > left my laptop for

Re: wicd difficulties joining some unsecured wireless networks

2014-08-07 Thread green
Joel Roth wrote at 2014-08-06 11:26 -0500: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 04:54:42PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > In some airports, and today at a university > > I've failed to join "unsecured" networks. > > > > I've been using wicd-gtk. > > > > The failure takes the form of a time-out during the get I

Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-07 Thread Johann Spies
After rescuing two laptops which were unbootable after the installation of systemd-sysfs I had problems with stuff as bluetooth and some of the services. So I decided to do a clean install of stable and got going - until I left my laptop for some hours to finish a job - and it would not react to a

Re: Retaining Older Kernels After Image Update

2014-08-07 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Reco a écrit : > Hi. > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 10:06:46AM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: >> Marc Auslander a écrit : >>> >>> I just manually copy the four files in /boot associated with the >>> working kernel. I append -knowngood to get new names. update grup >>> happily makes boot entries for

How to mount a LUKS partition from within GNOME?

2014-08-07 Thread Joerg Desch
I have successfully prepared a partition for the usage with LUKS. After that, I've added some entries to /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab. Using "cryptdisks_start/stop" with "mount/umount" works fine. Now I want to be able to mount the partition manually from within GNOME. I want to have the GUI re

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-07 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Brian writes: > On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 12:39:59 +0100, Brian wrote: > >> At the prompt issue the commands >> >> grub-install /dev/sda >> >> update-grub >> >> reboot > > Forget the last line. > >grub-install /dev/sda > >update-grub > >exit > > Then reboot. All right, it worke

Re: Wheezy GRUB problem

2014-08-07 Thread Brian
On Tue 05 Aug 2014 at 09:36:18 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote: > Hello! > > I have a Wheezy system shared with MS XP. GRUB is not in MBR but in Debian > partition installed. Not recommended I know but basically works. Until last > upgrade when my GRUB loader only writes GRUB then halts. Or at least

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Rusi Mody
On Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:40:02 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Litt wrote: > I don't necessarily disagree, but I very strongly believe its first > step should be to go to a text file with one line per event, or perhaps > some sublines. If that text file were designed correctly, perhaps with > field separat

Re: trying to identify which package is responsible for a bug [debian DVD1 7.6.0]

2014-08-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 16:44:08 +0200, Aramir Galanodonel wrote: > Please help me reporting this bug. File one against debian-installer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http

Re: basic fstab .. pilot idiocy??

2014-08-07 Thread Harry Putnam
Gary Dale writes: >> The fstab line: >> >>/dev/sdd1 /home/harry/misc ext4 user,uid=1000,gid=1050 00 >> >> I've tried several different rendition but far as I can tell the line >> above should work. >> >> I'm probably making some terribly obvious error but failing to see >> what it

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 18:41:24 +0300, David Baron wrote: > On Thursday 07 August 2014 16:05:40 Brian wrote: > > The number of bugs on > > > >https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=systemd;dist=unstable > > > > doesn't seen that high for a package of its importance and visibility.

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread AW
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:19:03 +0100 Darac Marjal wrote: > Consider it to be another database format. You wouldn't necessarily try > to cat a MySQL or PostgreSQL datastore; you'd use the appropriate tools > to select all from it. Yes. But it's not. Although it should and could be an easily que

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/07/2014 11:19 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:01:41AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> Oh geez, I'm sorry, I thought your post was flippant sarcasm, so I >> did what I thought was extending it. OK, you really do mean the log >

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread David Baron
On Thursday 07 August 2014 16:05:40 Brian wrote: > The number of bugs on > >https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=systemd;dist=unstable > > doesn't seen that high for a package of its importance and visibility. > Most reports have had a response. Some reports are not bugs. > > If

Re: trying to identify which package is responsible for a bug [debian DVD1 7.6.0]

2014-08-07 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:44:08 +0200 Aramir Galanodonel wrote: > I'm having trouble to determinate which package is responsible for Did you test your RAM? I don't remember if the installer offers that possibility; otherwise, you can get the memtest86+ (very small) image on the web, burn it and let

trying to identify which package is responsible for a bug [debian DVD1 7.6.0]

2014-08-07 Thread Aramir Galanodonel
Hello, I'm having trouble to determinate which package is responsible for a bug. Here's the short version of the story: I boot up using debian 7.6.0 DVD1 and uefi is set on. I manage to get to the grub menu with the "install debian", "install debian graphically", "check device", etc... But when I

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 16:53:10 +0300, David Baron wrote: > On Thursday 07 August 2014 14:21:45 Brian wrote: > > > > This is part of the transition to systemd plan. > > > > https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no > > > > Also, for those who care, libpam-systemd's Depends: line no

Re: need help on sound recording using bplay

2014-08-07 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 07:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > On Thursday, August 7, 2014 12:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, Long Wind wrote: > > On 8/7/14, Rusi Mody wrote: > > > If you are a 'average end user' why not use something like > > > audacity? -- > > > Someone has suggested aplay, I install it and it

Re: How to fix intermittently disappearing mouse pointer ?

2014-08-07 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 14:10:11 + (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2014-08-07, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Alright, by all means, let me rephrase: > > > > My computer always breaks immediately after I hover Claws-Mail's > > message list. > > > > What are you, a helicopter? Stop hovering! The way I keep d

Re: How to fix intermittently disappearing mouse pointer ?

2014-08-07 Thread Curt
On 2014-08-07, Steve Litt wrote: > > Alright, by all means, let me rephrase: > > My computer always breaks immediately after I hover Claws-Mail's message list. > What are you, a helicopter? Stop hovering! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "uns

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 08:31:02 -0400 AW wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 00:38:16 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Software As A Service, with Web 2.0 > ... > > suggest a Google-hosted service > > Actually this is precisely the opposite of my suggestion. Using an > externally stored database as I ha

Re: How to fix intermittently disappearing mouse pointer ?

2014-08-07 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:38:26 + (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2014-08-06, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > In other words (laugh away, guys and gals), Claws-Mail's message > > list breaks my computer. > > > > *Post hoc ergo propter hoc* (a common logical fallacy when > troubleshooting). Alright, by all me

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 13:14:35 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Brian writes: > > > On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 12:39:59 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > >> At the prompt issue the commands > >> > >> grub-install /dev/sda > >> > >> update-grub > >> > >> reboot > > > > Forget the last line. > > > >

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-07 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Brian writes: > On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 12:39:59 +0100, Brian wrote: > >> At the prompt issue the commands >> >> grub-install /dev/sda >> >> update-grub >> >> reboot > > Forget the last line. > >grub-install /dev/sda > >update-grub > >exit > > Then reboot. When I do `grub-ins

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread AW
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 23:43:09 +0300 David Baron wrote: > Seems I got it with > the new 64bit installation, wheezy upgraded to Sid. On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 15:03:50 +0300 David Baron wrote: > Offered for upgrade today are a bunch of old-style?? init components, > initscripts, sysv-rc, etc Are

Re: How to use the debian installation iso for installing packages using aptitude

2014-08-07 Thread teddymwas
Commands to use when mounting ISO and installing packages from ISOs. 1. copy over all the ISO images over to the server you want to use 2. Create a directory in /media/ call it mountpoint1 i.e >> mkdir /media/mountpoint1 3. edit /etc/fstab and add the this line /path/to/ISO/ /media/dvd-mountpoin

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 12:39:59 +0100, Brian wrote: > At the prompt issue the commands > > grub-install /dev/sda > > update-grub > > reboot Forget the last line. grub-install /dev/sda update-grub exit Then reboot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debia

MESS (MAME) on debian - bios roms path?

2014-08-07 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Anyone use MESS and have it working? : $ /usr/games/mess c64n -sc|egrep -i path # CORE SEARCH PATH OPTIONS rompath /tmp/bios $ ls -l /tmp/bios/901226-01.u3 -rw--- 1 me me 8192 Dec 24 1996 /tmp/bios/901226-01.u3 $ /usr/games/mess c64n 901226-01.u3 NOT FOUND ... (more simila

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread David Baron
... and the plot thickens ... Offered for upgrade today are a bunch of old-style?? init components, initscripts, sysv-rc, etc. Interesting bug-entries: Initscripts -- treat separate /usr like / paralleling entries for initramfs tools, nothing recent ins sysv... stuff. Still relevant? Relations

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-07 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/08/2014, Mark Carroll wrote: > Bret Busby writes: > >> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan >> wrote: >>> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote: On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > At least that you've noticed. (-: A persistently irritating problem with > both Skype

Using my phone as modem.

2014-08-07 Thread atar
Hi there! I have a LG GS500 phone and I want to use it as a modem with debian. The problem is that when I plug it in to my PC with an USB cable and try to connect through it to the Internet with the "NetworkManager" program, at the first few seconds I succeed to surf the Internet but after a fe

Re: need help on sound recording using bplay

2014-08-07 Thread Raffaele Morelli
2014-08-07 11:05 GMT+02:00 Curt : > On 2014-08-06, Long Wind wrote: > > > > I might try sth. else > > (I mean openbsd when I have time/energy in the future) > > > > Right definitely change operating systems. Also​ http://www.oceanwayrecording.com/ ​could be of some help ;-)​

Re: need help on sound recording using bplay

2014-08-07 Thread Curt
On 2014-08-06, Long Wind wrote: > > I might try sth. else > (I mean openbsd when I have time/energy in the future) > Right definitely change operating systems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d

dieting/losing weight programs?

2014-08-07 Thread Sharon Kimble
I've recently been looking in the jessie repos for any programme relating to diet management, or weight management, i.e. anything at all about dieting or losing weight. And I can't find any! The nearest I could find was for "nut-nutrition" which appeared to be console-based and american-centric alt

how to update TexLive 2014, apt-get or tlmgr?

2014-08-07 Thread Sharon Kimble
I'm using TexLive 2014 from the jessie repos, and also keeping a watching brief on "comp.text.tex" where it shows updates to packages as they occur. I'm interested in the "tcolorbox" and "glossaries" packages and see that they have recently been updated. What is the best way of getting the updated

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-07 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Bob Proulx writes: > Gary Dale wrote: >> Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> >My Debian Sid box won't restart after today's full-upgrade. At booting, I >> >read > > Sid is the unstable child... > >> To get back into your system, you can try booting from a Linux CD (system >> rescue CD, for example) and try

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H napísal: > This is from an email by Lennart: > > /var/log/messages is *very* badly designed: (snip) > It's so bad, that rsyslog upstream even suggests not to use these > files anymore, but write them in a more modern formatting that leaves > a bi