Re: set boot parameter vga=ask before debian wheezy 7.6 dvd install

2014-07-18 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 01:36:07 -0400 (EDT), Sven Joachim wrote: > > I don't think there's a linux16 command on sparc, for lack of x86 real > mode. > ... > There is no lilo for sparc since lilo is written in x86 assembly. You are absolutely right. Somehow, I missed the fact that he was using sparc.

Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:51:11 -0400 (EDT) david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:32:29 -0400 > > Frank McCormick wrote: > > > >> On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > [snip] > >> It would be interesting to read Linus's c

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200 Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote: > > > The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system > > was working just fine. > > They should read the mail[1] by one of its maintainers which states > that it was (and i

Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-18 Thread davidson
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:32:29 -0400 Frank McCormick wrote: On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote: [snip] It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on MicroKernels...and why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever commented ? As I remember, a

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Tom Furie
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote: > I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could > list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there is > no "real need". Here is a fairly naive list of packages which have a hard dependency on package

Re: How to add package sources?

2014-07-18 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:14:39PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 17 Jul 2014 at 12:09:27 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 09:24:03PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > > Brian wrote: > > > > .snip > > > > > Consider using > > >

Re: Copy machine?

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Kemp
> > is it possible to rsync a virtual machine to a physical machine? > > Depends on how the initrd is built. This is pretty much it. I've migrated from Xen, and KVM, to real physical machines. If you perform the fixups it should work. Off the top of my head the changes you'll need to mak

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 21:23:20 schrieb Erwan David: > >> This does not seem to scale well with different spam/ham token set per > >> user.> > > Huh? Just copy the CRM114 folder to another home and empty the spam/ham > > token files? > > In my setup there are no home dir, no users on server.

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:19:21 -0400 The Wanderer napísal: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote: > > > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David > > napísal: > > > >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depe

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/18/2014 02:51 PM, Brian wrote: > On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 13:19:21 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: >> I think (not having done the research to verify this) that the idea >> is that some - many? - packages need PAM, and depend (perhaps >> indirectly)

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/18/2014 02:26 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer: > >> On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote: >>> If you can decide this (i an not able this), please fill >>> bugreport about unneeded depe

Re: a simple script for restoring downloaded debs

2014-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 10:49:13, songbird wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >songbird wrote: > >> the other night i accidentally deleted the debs i > >> normally keep in the /var/cache/apt/archives directory > >=2E..=20 > >> so here is round 1 of the script (which gets 90% of > >> the packages back f

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Erwan David
Le 18/07/2014 21:06, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 20:26:57 schrieb Erwan David: >> Le 18/07/2014 19:56, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : >>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:03:20 schrieb Erwan David: Le 18/07/2014 14:10, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > Am Freitag, 18.

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Brian
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 13:19:21 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote: > > > Ahoj, > > > > D??a Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David > > nap??sal: > > > >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends > >> direectly or indirectly on systemd, o

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 20:26:57 schrieb Erwan David: > Le 18/07/2014 19:56, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:03:20 schrieb Erwan David: > >> Le 18/07/2014 14:10, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > >>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:55:43 schrieb Erwan David: > On F

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer: > On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David > > > > napísal: > >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends > >> direectly or indirectly on systemd, often w

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer: > On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > > > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David > > > > napísal: > >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends > >> direectly or indirectly on systemd, often w

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Erwan David
Le 18/07/2014 19:56, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:03:20 schrieb Erwan David: >> Le 18/07/2014 14:10, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : >>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:55:43 schrieb Erwan David: On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:45:55PM CEST, Martin Steigerwald >>> said:

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:03:20 schrieb Erwan David: > Le 18/07/2014 14:10, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:55:43 schrieb Erwan David: > >> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:45:55PM CEST, Martin Steigerwald > > > > said: > >>> Hello! > >>> > >>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli

Re: How to get Skype sound working on Wheezy (7.5, 64bit)?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Smith
On 18/07/2014 17:08, Gary Dale wrote: On 18/07/14 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, I installed Skype (4.3.0.37) just fine on Wheezy, but whether or not I have Pulseaudio and pavucontrol installed, I get no sound and the person at the other end can't hear my voice. I have to communicate via t

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:03:20 schrieb Erwan David: > Le 18/07/2014 14:10, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:55:43 schrieb Erwan David: > >> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:45:55PM CEST, Martin Steigerwald > > > > said: > >>> Hello! > >>> > >>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2

Re: Copy machine?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:45:13 schrieb Chris: > Dear All, Hi Chris, > is it possible to rsync a virtual machine to a physical machine? > > I've tried this, but only a third of all kernel modules were loaded, > especially the network card driver was missing. > > For the sake of completeness

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David > napísal: > >> That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends >> direectly or indirectly on systemd, often without real need... > >

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David napísal: > That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends > direectly or indirectly on systemd, often without real need... If you can decide this (i an not able this), please fill bugreport about unneeded dependency against th

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Brian
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 18:10:58 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 18/07/2014 17:52, Brian a ??crit : > > On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > >> I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software > >> itself. It's right for some, not so right for others. > >> > >

Re: Copy machine?

2014-07-18 Thread Miles Fidelman
Chris wrote: Dear All, is it possible to rsync a virtual machine to a physical machine? I've tried this, but only a third of all kernel modules were loaded, especially the network card driver was missing. For the sake of completeness: this was an Ubuntu machine, but I'd also be interested to d

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote: > The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system was > working just fine. They should read the mail[1] by one of its maintainers which states that it was (and is) _not_ "working just fine", and that a replacement has long been over

Copy machine?

2014-07-18 Thread Chris
Dear All, is it possible to rsync a virtual machine to a physical machine? I've tried this, but only a third of all kernel modules were loaded, especially the network card driver was missing. For the sake of completeness: this was an Ubuntu machine, but I'd also be interested to do the same on a

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Erwan David
Le 18/07/2014 17:52, Brian a écrit : > On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > >> I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software >> itself. It's right for some, not so right for others. >> >> All the objections had to do with forcing people to accept systemd. Vim

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Erwan David
Le 18/07/2014 14:52, Chris Bannister a écrit : > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:56:42PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: >> dspam being removed from debian, I am looking for a replacement, that is : >> an email content filter, working on server with per user rules and >> possibly compatible with dovecot-antis

Re: How to get Skype sound working on Wheezy (7.5, 64bit)?

2014-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/14 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, I installed Skype (4.3.0.37) just fine on Wheezy, but whether or not I have Pulseaudio and pavucontrol installed, I get no sound and the person at the other end can't hear my voice. I have to communicate via the IRC like interface. Probably relate

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Brian
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software > itself. It's right for some, not so right for others. > > All the objections had to do with forcing people to accept systemd. Vim > and Emacs are both excellent, but if we

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Erwan David
Le 18/07/2014 14:10, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:55:43 schrieb Erwan David: >> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:45:55PM CEST, Martin Steigerwald > said: >>> Hello! >>> >>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 12:10:44 schrieb Jonathan Dowland: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:5

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:37:18 -0400 songbird wrote: > my own experience, after reading all the > words from those for and against it is > seeing the actual code working. > > this past week it came through Debian > testing and installed just fine, i've had > zero issues with it so far. > >

Re: mysql re-instate debian-sys-maint user [SOLVED]

2014-07-18 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 18/07/14 17:23, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > I seem to have lost my debian-sys-maint user on mysql-server. I had > expected to be able to run dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server, but that does > nothing obvious. > > Any suggestions, please as to how to correctly recover this user and > password and per

mysql re-instate debian-sys-maint user

2014-07-18 Thread Tony van der Hoff
I seem to have lost my debian-sys-maint user on mysql-server. I had expected to be able to run dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server, but that does nothing obvious. Any suggestions, please as to how to correctly recover this user and password and permissions? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderh

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-18 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-18, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > yes, not customized, exim4 installed, so I assume that's sending the > mail > I believe by default exim is configured only to handle email local to the system. That's how it works here (squeeze). I use alpine to send directly to my ISP's smtp server (not h

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:52:15 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > Tony Baldwin wrote: > > What else can I do to diagnose this issue and/or, of course, > > resolve it? > > I think this must be something other than mutt. In your description > you didn't mention how you were sending email and therefore I kno

Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:39:41 + (UTC) "Juan R. de Silva" wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:26:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:43:00 + (UTC) > > "Juan R. de Silva" wrote: > > > > > >> BTW, about "bupsky" script you shared with me... It's very nice > >> while worki

Re: a simple script for restoring downloaded debs

2014-07-18 Thread songbird
Andrei POPESCU wrote: >songbird wrote: >> the other night i accidentally deleted the debs i >> normally keep in the /var/cache/apt/archives directory >=2E..=20 >> so here is round 1 of the script (which gets 90% of >> the packages back for me from my backup archive at >> /myarchive/debian/jessi

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-18 Thread Brian
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 15:26:50 +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: > /var/log/exim4/mainlog shows nothing I deem useful. > Lots of stuff like: > 2014-07-18 07:53:14 Start queue run: pid=13117 > 2014-07-18 07:53:14 End queue run: pid=13117 > 2014-07-18 08:23:14 Start queue run: pid=14426 > 2014-07-18 08:23:

How to get Skype sound working on Wheezy (7.5, 64bit)?

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I installed Skype (4.3.0.37) just fine on Wheezy, but whether or not I have Pulseaudio and pavucontrol installed, I get no sound and the person at the other end can't hear my voice. I have to communicate via the IRC like interface. Probably related is the fact that pavucontrol's "Configur

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-18 Thread Alex JOST
Am 18.07.2014 15:26, schrieb Tony Baldwin: On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 03:14:09PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:52:15PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: If you have not customized it then you are using /usr/sbin/sendmail and the message is handed off to your system MTA for delivery.

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-18 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 03:14:09PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:52:15PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > If you have not customized it then you are using /usr/sbin/sendmail > > and the message is handed off to your system MTA for delivery. If so > > then the system MTA will

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-18 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:52:15PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Tony Baldwin wrote: > > What else can I do to diagnose this issue and/or, of course, resolve it? > > I think this must be something other than mutt. In your description > you didn't mention how you were sending email and therefore I kn

Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6

2014-07-18 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-17, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: > > Dear List, > > I'd like to know if using Google Chrome is safe nowadays. > > Because I couldn't update to the latest version since Google ended > supporting the Debian 6. :( > > I wouldn't update to Wheezy - because I waiting for Jessy. As the poster belo

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:56:42PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > dspam being removed from debian, I am looking for a replacement, that is : > an email content filter, working on server with per user rules and > possibly compatible with dovecot-antispam for training. What about bogofilter: http://noy

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Jochen Spieker
Jonathan Dowland: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > >> Ok, I already fail at the first step: call crm114 from Postfix so that >> it uses user-specific spam/ham CSS files. My web search suggests nobody >> has ever done that before. I don't use procmail but Dovecot's

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:55:43 schrieb Erwan David: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:45:55PM CEST, Martin Steigerwald said: > > Hello! > > > > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 12:10:44 schrieb Jonathan Dowland: > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > > > > Ok, I alread

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Erwan David
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:45:55PM CEST, Martin Steigerwald said: > Hello! > > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 12:10:44 schrieb Jonathan Dowland: > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > > > Ok, I already fail at the first step: call crm114 from Postfix so that > > > it u

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hello! Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 12:10:44 schrieb Jonathan Dowland: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > > Ok, I already fail at the first step: call crm114 from Postfix so that > > it uses user-specific spam/ham CSS files. My web search suggests nobody > > has ever

Re: Replacement for dspam

2014-07-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Ok, I already fail at the first step: call crm114 from Postfix so that > it uses user-specific spam/ham CSS files. My web search suggests nobody > has ever done that before. I don't use procmail but Dovecot's LDA for > mail sorting w

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 02:14:24AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: 'service' also has tab completion. Not sure if this is because I have bash-completion installed, but it's too late for me to check. Yes, you need bash-completion installed and activated in /etc/bash.bashrc. It is not activated by

Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6

2014-07-18 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 07/18/2014 01:51 AM, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: > Dear List, > > I'd like to know if using Google Chrome is safe nowadays. > > Because I couldn't update to the latest version since Google ended > supporting the Debian 6. :( > > I wouldn't update to Wheezy - because I waiting for Jessy. I don't k

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-18, The Wanderer wrote: > > I personally find "programmable completion" (which I think is what we're > talking about here) annoying in various ways, to the point where I > disable or remove it whenever I find it active. I'd be irritated by > anything which makes living without it harder

Re: a simple script for restoring downloaded debs

2014-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 00:02:43, songbird wrote: > the other night i accidentally deleted the debs i > normally keep in the /var/cache/apt/archives directory ... > so here is round 1 of the script (which gets 90% of > the packages back for me from my backup archive at > /myarchive/debian/jessie).

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Virgo Pärna
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:14:24 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 14 iul 14, 06:59:53, Virgo Pärna wrote: >> >> I'm actually using both service ... and /etc/init.d/... to restart >> service. Last one is good to use, if I cannot remember if it is graylist >> or graylistd or greylist or g

Re: xfwm troubles and systemd questions

2014-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 11 iul 14, 11:40:06, Matt Ventura wrote: > 1. My xfwm4 seems to remember what workspaces I have windows > on for the next time I open them. The problem is, I don't want > it to do this because it will do things like open a window > on another workspace minimized so I can't even see where it

Re: Debian on Intel NUC?

2014-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 16 iul 14, 21:13:19, Bob Proulx wrote: > > That is also good information. Depending upon the specific NIC it may > need a newer kernel with the right drivers. If Jessie works then > probably a backport kernel would be fine too. I am forewarned. Xorg in Jessie may also help with the grap

Re: Network devices "go bad" a lot in Wheezy

2014-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 12 iul 14, 07:24:38, Steve Litt wrote: > :-) > > Yeah, you read the subject right. Let me explain... > > Debian (Wheezy 7.5) is the first distro I've seen where this happens. > You reboot, and eth0 doesn't work and neither does lo. It's > intermittent enough I can't give you an exact repro