Le 18/07/2014 19:56, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:03:20 schrieb Erwan David: >> Le 18/07/2014 14:10, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : >>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:55:43 schrieb Erwan David: >>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:45:55PM CEST, Martin Steigerwald >>> <mar...@lichtvoll.de> said: >>>>> Hello! >>>>> >>>>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 12:10:44 schrieb Jonathan Dowland: >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: >>>>>>> Ok, I already fail at the first step: call crm114 from Postfix so that >>>>>>> it uses user-specific spam/ham CSS files. My web search suggests >>>>>>> nobody >>>>>>> has ever done that before. I don't use procmail but Dovecot's LDA for >>>>>>> mail sorting which doesn't allow to call external programs. There is >>>>>>> sieve_extprograms but that looks a little weird to me. >>>>>> I've never tried that, I'd be interested to see it working. I use >>>>>> procmail >>>>>> for local users who have their own CSS files. I did once look at >>>>>> http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/Projects/crm114-spamd which provides a >>>>>> spamd-like interface to crm114, but I didn't go live with it. For >>>>>> SMTP-time >>>>>> rejection you will need CSS files shared across all recipients. >>>>> For a long time I used CRM114 integrated in KMail with a POP3 account >>>>> and >>>>> I >>>>> can say that CRM114 is exceptionally good at detecting spam. To the >>>>> extent >>>>> that spam just has been a non-issue for me. I am not using this at the >>>>> moment cause I had severe mail loss with Akonadi based KMail and CRM114 >>>>> filter rules. This may have been fixed meanwhile but I didn´t try again >>>>> and having tried once. So I just weed out spam manually which works okay >>>>> cause policyd-weight catches most of them on the server already. >>>>> >>>>> I am currently in the process of setting up my Postfix + Dovecot >>>>> installation with IMAP additionally to POP3. >>>>> >>>>> I already have IMAP working, route all mail to me to POP3 + IMAP account >>>>> (with different users) and got managesieve working so I can edit filter >>>>> rules on IMAP server with newest KMail. >>>>> >>>>> Next step is to install dovecot-antispam and integrate it with CRM114 on >>>>> the server. Either with a copy of my existing CRM114 installation on the >>>>> laptop or with a new setup. >>>>> >>>>> I didn´t complete this yet. I think it can work quite well. >>>> Did you find the tutorial foir integrating postfix and crm114 ? >>>> >>>> On crm114 it is mentioned with a link to the "add-ons" page of postfix >>>> doc, whioch in turn has a link to crm114 main page... >>>> >>>> I could not find whether crm114 is used with lmtp (as I used dspam), >>>> or as a milter, or another way. >>> Since CRM114 requires learning I´d use dovecot-antispam plugin (debian >>> package is available). It automatically learns from anything one puts >>> into spam folder and sports an unsure folder as well. >>> >>> But as I didn´t do it yet, I don´t know the details. >> That's the learning part, however there is also the distribution part : >> is the email tagged ? How is the email transmitted by postfix to crm114, >> and how is it transmitted to dovecot LDA ? >> crm114 page does not even address those basic email settings, I did not >> even see a command name on it, or a daemon or any thing... >> >> What is the storage backend for the learned data ? > crm114 is not just for mail. Its for any kind of textual data that one can > through regular expressions at.
Yes, that's what I understood, but for me I only need email bayesian filtering. > I suggest reading through docs of dovecot-antispam. I already use it. dovecot-antispam does NOT filter email. I use postfix -> dspam -> dovecot LDA all communicating through lmtp. Users have a web interface to check filtered spam and can ask for delivery of false positive. Dovecot anti-spam is used to retrain *after* delivery, I want on server classification before delivery. > I use dovecot lda within > postfix already for sieve. And what do you use in sieve to put spam somewhere specific ? How do you allow users to retrieve false positive ? > > I could speculate how its done, but I really suggest just reading up any > documentation of dovecot-antispam. Which does not handle at all the before delivery filtering part, it is not it's job. > > I didn´t do it, but from a short contact with the author of the plugin, I got > the impression that would be all I need (except Dovecot and CRM114 that is). > > CRM114 uses two 12 MiB files which it mmap()s for best performance. At least > thats what my setup uses. I described basic setup for mail in Linux User > article (in german) and I think this was one of those which got translated > into english for Linux Magazine. Although it described integrating CRM114 > with > KMail the basic setup of CRM114 should be the same or similar. Both articles > should be online freely since they are older than a year. This does not seem to scale well with different spam/ham token set per user. > > And I think I even based this article on some doc on the mailreaver.crm > stuff. > I think it is described in crm114 package somewhere. I usually prefer reading doc before installing, but I made an exception : it seems to me useful only for a full geek user, each user needs to learn a complicated language, need access to server file system : it canit work for me, where only access from users are managesieve (and often only through roundcube sieve frontend) and imap. And I want per user spam/ham token sets, generic sets just do not work -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53c966f1.5010...@rail.eu.org
