Re: Memory errors on new memory in new system

2012-11-27 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 27 nov 12, 21:29:19, Marc Shapiro wrote: > Last weekend I put together a new box to replace the one that has been > locking up repeatedly. The components are: > > Gigabyte 970A-DS3 MB > 8GB (2x4GB) Patriot G3 RAM > AMD FX-4100 Quad Core CPU > ASUS DVD/CD Writer > M

Re: Memory errors on new memory in new system

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
My apologize, but I don't have the time to read everything. I read that you get errors when running Memtest. Do you have issues using the computer? Did you run Memtest from different distros (live media)? I never have issues when using my computer. If I run the same version of Memtest from a Part

alix (pcengines) build up

2012-11-27 Thread binary dreamer
hi. i am looking to build debian for my system ALIX (pcengines) all flavors, especially for the ones without vga. i am looking to create two partitions. the first will have the system and will be read only. writable it has to be only on demand, such remountrw to enable it. the second partition it

Re: Memory errors on new memory in new system

2012-11-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 11/27/2012 11:29 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: > Last weekend I put together a new box to replace the one that has been > locking up repeatedly. The components are: > > Gigabyte 970A-DS3 MB > 8GB (2x4GB) Patriot G3 RAM > AMD FX-4100 Quad Core CPU > ASUS DVD/CD Writer > MSI R

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 01:17 +0100, mouss wrote: > > When I boot I want to do *ANYTHING*! > > Install DOS? What is a good DOS nowadays? IIRC on my Atari ST 80286 hardware emulator I used DR DOS. I googled for "open dos" and "free dos" and indeed, both searches were successful but I didn't read ab

Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 16:12 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > My apologies for screwing up the quote. Never mind! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/135408

Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 22:37 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > > I tried google, but without more keywords, "rc" was too little to > > search. > > When I search for a package's description, I first use debian's > informations. With apt-cache if I am running my debian, or with > h

Memory errors on new memory in new system

2012-11-27 Thread Marc Shapiro
Last weekend I put together a new box to replace the one that has been locking up repeatedly. The components are: Gigabyte 970A-DS3 MB 8GB (2x4GB) Patriot G3 RAM AMD FX-4100 Quad Core CPU ASUS DVD/CD Writer MSI R5450 Graphics Card Seagate 1TB HD After assembling the

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-27 Thread David Guntner
mouss grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > Le 21/11/2012 04:44, David Guntner a écrit : >> >> It never did this with the IMAP server that I was using on my old >> system >> >> My mail reader in my smart phone works just fine with it, BTW. :-) >> >> I googled a bit and found a note about setting a Th

Re: Re: UEFI install

2012-11-27 Thread Cody Smith
I've had this issue in Ubuntu, and found the most reliable way is to use a UEFI Boot MANAGER (not Boot Loader) or put the EFI Shell Intel has provided onto a flash drive this way: /boot/efi/bootx64.efi

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-27 Thread Amit
Pascal Hambourg plouf.fr.eu.org> writes: > That's because the filesystem is on a partition, not on the whole disk, > an the partition block device is still read-write. > The read-only flag must be set on the disk and all its partitions. I > guess udev can do this. > I did this for the block devi

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-27 Thread mouss
Le 21/11/2012 04:44, David Guntner a écrit : > Well, at least not completely. I've got Dovecot up and running, > but for some reason, Thunderbird won't work with it quite right. > I'll select an unread message, and the header will change in the > display, but the body doesn't appear - the status b

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-27 Thread mouss
Le 22/11/2012 18:00, Richard Owlett a écrit : > I've a laptop whose *SOLE* purpose in life is to be used in a manner > that a even I would never do on a machine with real data on it. > It has intrinsically the best security in place > Only _*I*_ have physical access to the machine. > It has no

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-27 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Amit a écrit : > > However, this still poses a problem. Check out the following case: > > 1. Plug in a USB drive with an ext4 filesystem. > 2. Set the readonly flag using blockdev. > 3. Compute the checksum on this block device. > 4. Mount the ext4 filesytem and then unmount it without doing

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Michael Biebl
On 28.11.2012 00:22, Adrian Fita wrote: > As soon as I reinstalled policyrcd-script-zg2, invoke-rc.d is starting > the services again. > > So, is this expected behaviour, or is it a bug that I should report? I've never used policyrcd-script-zg2 and have no idea what this package is supposed to do

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Jon Dowland a écrit : > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:50:39PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote: >> 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000Old_age Always >> - 12 > > I think this is bad. Yes, but that can often be corrected using the embedded reallocation mechanism. By "corre

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian Fita
On 28/11/12 01:06, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 27.11.2012 23:59, Adrian Fita wrote: >> On 28/11/12 00:52, Michael Biebl wrote: >>> what does `runlevel` say? >> >> root@zero:~# runlevel >> N 2 > > Interesting. As already shown, I can't reproduce your problem. > > Not sure if this is because you ship

Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-27 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > It would be nice to correct the quotation. I didn't wrote this. I didn't > reply to this thread any more and somebody else did wrote those words, > but it's quoted in a way, that people might think I've written this. > > Wrong quot

Re: Desktop button in Gnome

2012-11-27 Thread Gean Ceretta
On 11/28/12, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote: > Dear list - > > Is there a way to have a button in the tray that will minimize all the > windows and show the desktop? Enjoy: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/368/ -- Gean Michel Ceretta - geancere...@linuxmail.org - geancere...@gmail.com - +5

Re: Desktop button in Gnome

2012-11-27 Thread Gean Ceretta
On 11/28/12, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote: > Dear list - > > Is there a way to have a button in the tray that will minimize all the > windows and show the desktop? Hi Ethan, give a look at https://extensions.gnome.org/ maybe they have an extension for your request. Good look. -- Gean Michel

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Michael Biebl
On 27.11.2012 23:59, Adrian Fita wrote: > On 28/11/12 00:52, Michael Biebl wrote: >> what does `runlevel` say? > > root@zero:~# runlevel > N 2 Interesting. As already shown, I can't reproduce your problem. Not sure if this is because you ship a policy-rc.d script. It might help, moving that file

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian Fita
On 28/11/12 00:52, Michael Biebl wrote: > what does `runlevel` say? root@zero:~# runlevel N 2 And the installed sysv-rc package info: root@zero:~# dpkg -s sysv-rc Package: sysv-rc Status: install ok installed Priority: required Section: admin Installed-Size: 218 Maintainer: Debian sysvinit maint

Re: Desktop button in Gnome

2012-11-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/28/12, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote: > Dear list - > > Is there a way to have a button in the tray that will minimize all the > windows and show the desktop? Which DE/desktop-environment are you using? Are you familiar with use of multiple virtual desktops, and the pager to swap between them?

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Michael Biebl
what does `runlevel` say? -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian Fita
On 28/11/12 00:16, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 27.11.2012 22:47, Adrian Fita wrote: >> - my current runlevel is 2, I made sure that cups is indeed disabled: >> /etc/rc2.d/K02cups > > What does ls -la /etc/rc?.d/???cups say? root@zero:~# ls -la /etc/rc?.d/???cups lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov 9 01:

RE: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Nelson Green
> I think this is bad. > > > Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) > > LBA_of_first_error > > # 1 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 2718 > > 529598095 > > # 2 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 2718

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Michael Biebl
On 27.11.2012 22:47, Adrian Fita wrote: > - my current runlevel is 2, I made sure that cups is indeed disabled: > /etc/rc2.d/K02cups What does ls -la /etc/rc?.d/???cups say? If you properly disable cups via update-rc.d, the service is not run via invoke-rc.d. I've just tested this on my system.

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:50:39PM -0600, Nelson Green wrote: > 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   > Always   -   12 I think this is bad. > Num  Test_Description    Status  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  > LBA_of_first_error > # 1  Short offli

Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:43:00PM -0300, Beco wrote: > I tried google, but without more keywords, "rc" was too little to search. Good point, sorry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Ar

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian Fita
On 27/11/12 23:47, Adrian Fita wrote: > On 27/11/12 23:19, Michael Biebl wrote: >> On 27.11.2012 20:52, Adrian Fita wrote: >> >>> I just did a cups package update (yes, I'm running Debian unstable) and >>> noticed that the cups daemon was started after the upgrade. And indeed, >>> looking in /var/l

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
One option would be to install and use systemd. Afaik with systemd, one can use socket-based activation: that is, systemd listens on the socket that your daemons will use and only starts those daemons if something connects. You may need to manually configure that behaviour, I don't know whether sys

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian Fita
On 27/11/12 23:19, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 27.11.2012 20:52, Adrian Fita wrote: > >> I just did a cups package update (yes, I'm running Debian unstable) and >> noticed that the cups daemon was started after the upgrade. And indeed, >> looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/cups.postinst, the daemon is st

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-27 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 26 nov 12, 23:51:32, Amit wrote: > > Now, for example, there have been cases where I accidentaly (as root), > do a dd and overwrite a portion of the drive I was analyzing/reading from. Ok, I understand now. In my opinion such safety nets are dangerous, because they tend to encourage carel

Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread berenger . morel
I tried google, but without more keywords, "rc" was too little to search. When I search for a package's description, I first use debian's informations. With apt-cache if I am running my debian, or with http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=foobar if I am not using it. The 2nd is really

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Michael Biebl
On 27.11.2012 20:52, Adrian Fita wrote: > I just did a cups package update (yes, I'm running Debian unstable) and > noticed that the cups daemon was started after the upgrade. And indeed, > looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/cups.postinst, the daemon is started with > "invoke-rc.d cups start" after eve

Re: mariaDB in Debian

2012-11-27 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 27 nov 12, 10:34:14, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > > There currently are two merged Intent to Package (ITP) bugs #565308 and > > #688505, but it doesn't look like there's much progress. > > > > The MariaDB project already has debian packages. Maybe, but that doesn't meant they are Debian qu

RE: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Nelson Green
> Hello, > > Nelson Green a écrit : > > > > and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0 (where $disk0 > >> is e.g. sda); check to see if any of the various SMART attributes > >> indicate a problem. > >> > >> Run a short, then a long SMART self test > >> > >> smartctl -t short /dev/$disk0 > >> smartctl -t long

Re: UEFI install

2012-11-27 Thread Erwan David
On 27/11/12 21:06, Simon Brandmair wrote: > On 27/11/2012 20:50 Erwan David wrote: > >> I got a new Lenovo T530, I added a SSD as second disk, and now have a >> win7, UEFI boot on MBR partitionned sdb disk. >> >> I tried latest beta installer for wheezy (beta4), but it could not boot >> in UEFI mod

Re: UEFI install

2012-11-27 Thread Erwan David
On 27/11/12 21:16, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 08:47:47PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: >> I got a new Lenovo T530, I added a SSD as second disk, and now have a >> win7, UEFI boot on MBR partitionned sdb disk. >> >> I tried latest beta installer for wheezy (beta4), but it could not boo

Re: UEFI install

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 08:47:47PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > I got a new Lenovo T530, I added a SSD as second disk, and now have a > win7, UEFI boot on MBR partitionned sdb disk. > > I tried latest beta installer for wheezy (beta4), but it could not boot > in UEFI mode > > (I got a text menu wr

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-27 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello, Dom a écrit : > > I just tested a basic udev rule which sets read-only permissions on any > usb disk when inserted. [...] > > #Make USB storage devices read only > KERNEL=="sd*",ACTION=="add",ENV{ID_BUS}=="usb",MODE="0444" This won't work, root ignores file permissions. -- To UNSUBSC

Re: UEFI install

2012-11-27 Thread Simon Brandmair
On 27/11/2012 20:50 Erwan David wrote: > I got a new Lenovo T530, I added a SSD as second disk, and now have a > win7, UEFI boot on MBR partitionned sdb disk. > > I tried latest beta installer for wheezy (beta4), but it could not boot > in UEFI mode > > (I got a text menu writtent on the right of

Re: fooling a non-"stdin redirection accepting" app (colortail)??

2012-11-27 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-11-24 13:32 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2012-11-24 12:17 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> >>> Seems a hard nut to crack... evidently systemd-journalctl does not >>> output in the same way as tail command... >> >> At least with the -f option, it s

Re: gnome3 broken on wheezy

2012-11-27 Thread ChadDavis
> > (EE) NVIDIA(0): log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X > > > > (EE) NVIDIA(0): server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. > > If > > > > (EE) NVIDIA(0): you continue to encounter problems, Please try > > > > (EE) NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. > > > Did yo

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello, Nelson Green a écrit : > > and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0 (where $disk0 >> is e.g. sda); check to see if any of the various SMART attributes >> indicate a problem. >> >> Run a short, then a long SMART self test >> >> smartctl -t short /dev/$disk0 >> smartctl -t long /dev/$disk0 [...] > I

Re: How to prevent daemons from starting at boot after update?

2012-11-27 Thread Adrian Fita
On 09/11/12 03:04, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Adrian Fita wrote: >> On 09/11/12 00:32, Tom H wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Adrian Fita wrote: So the thing is this: I have some daemons that I keep them installed, but I don't start them at boot; I lik

UEFI install

2012-11-27 Thread Erwan David
I got a new Lenovo T530, I added a SSD as second disk, and now have a win7, UEFI boot on MBR partitionned sdb disk. I tried latest beta installer for wheezy (beta4), but it could not boot in UEFI mode (I got a text menu writtent on the right of the screen, then after selecting an entry "Error, no

Re: Write protect access on USB port

2012-11-27 Thread Amit
Kushal Kumaran gmail.com> writes: > > There is a blockdev command with a --setro option in the util-linux > package. You can modify your udev rules to run this command when the > device is plugged in. > Thanks I did not know about this tool. I looked at it and it accomplishes the read-only se

Re: gnome3 broken on wheezy

2012-11-27 Thread ChadDavis
> So, how do I start troubleshooting this? I looked in /var/log/gdm3 >> logs, but couldn't see anything that lept out. There were some errors >> from the nvidia driver levels, but those were in older logs and, as I >> say, the UI works, it's just not gnome3. >> > > As you do not seem to know what

Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Beco
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:17:50PM -0300, Beco wrote: >> Never heard of it. What is "rc"? > > A shell. It's packaged in Debian, oddly enough in package 'rc'. > May I suggest you try "apt-cache show rc", or google? > Thanks! I tried google, b

Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Beco wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: >>> People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I >>> think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll

Re: gnome3 broken on wheezy

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 17:40 +0100, Johan Grönqvist wrote: > or gnome thinks your 3D graphics support is insufficient. > Unfortunately, I do not know how to troubleshoot it. $ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: about xfce and window managers

2012-11-27 Thread John L. Cunningham
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:09:07PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > Xmonad is good but for configuration you have to delve into Haskell, In my experience, it's not that bad. Mostly because someone has probably already done what you want it to do AND blogged about it. So you just have to cut-and

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:24:07PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > And I'd *really* like to continue having stable software, and no release till > it's ready. I don't think those two things are incompatible with each other. > One of the many things that I dislike about Ubuntu, is its habit of releasin

Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:11:54PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realised that! I've merrily > carried on using "bash". :-/ Bash is a lot friendlier and better suited as a login or interactive shell. The startup time is not so important for that situation.

RE: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Nelson Green
> First and foremost, double check that your SATA cables are properly > secure. Yes, they are firmly seated. Good catch though. > Install smartctl This is part of the smartmontools package. Took me a sec to find it, and I mention it for anyone else following this. and run smartctl -a /dev/$dis

Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:17:50PM -0300, Beco wrote: > Never heard of it. What is "rc"? A shell. It's packaged in Debian, oddly enough in package 'rc'. May I suggest you try "apt-cache show rc", or google? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "uns

Re: protecting web directories in apache2

2012-11-27 Thread Robert Pommrich
Am 27.11.2012 17:25, schrieb François TOURDE: Le 15671ième jour après Epoch, Zachary Uram écrivait: Running Apache2 on Debian testing release. Say I have a directory http://www.website.org/files/ And I want to let a user download a file: http://www.website.org/files/example.txt But I don't want

Re: protecting web directories in apache2

2012-11-27 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Zachary Uram writes: > Running Apache2 on Debian testing release. Say I have a directory > http://www.website.org/files/ > And I want to let a user download a file: > http://www.website.org/files/example.txt > But I don't want them to be able to browse the directory and see the > other files in t

Re: about xfce and window managers

2012-11-27 Thread chris angel
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:09:07PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 26 Nov 2012, John L. Cunningham wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 07:16:09PM +0200, Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras wrote: > > > I am currently using debian sid with xfce 4.8 . > > > I want to make tiling the windows like awesome o

Re: gnome3 broken on wheezy

2012-11-27 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2012-11-27 17:20, ChadDavis skrev: After recent upgrades, my gnome3 no longer works. The system boots and I can log in to an X system, but it looks more like gnome2, than gnome3; the whole activities thing and the favorites menu is gone. Instead, I have the mutliple window changer thing in the

Re: protecting web directories in apache2

2012-11-27 Thread Sylvain Berfini
Hi, A .htaccess seems to be the solution for your problem. Regards. Sylvain Berfini Software Engineer at Belledonne Communications Le 27/11/2012 16:54, Zachary Uram a écrit : Running Apache2 on Debian testing release. Say I have a directory http://www.website.org/files/ And I want to let a use

Re: protecting web directories in apache2

2012-11-27 Thread François TOURDE
Le 15671ième jour après Epoch, Zachary Uram écrivait: > Running Apache2 on Debian testing release. Say I have a directory > http://www.website.org/files/ > And I want to let a user download a file: > http://www.website.org/files/example.txt > But I don't want them to be able to browse the director

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Don't Believe the Hype! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1354032440.2827.52.camel@q

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 15:13:19 Beco wrote: > We would have more contributors if Debian wasn't so proud of being for > advanced users. But my experience is that it isn't. People are encouraged to help with developing and all the other jobs that are needed. and can get a mentor to help. Ca

gnome3 broken on wheezy

2012-11-27 Thread ChadDavis
After recent upgrades, my gnome3 no longer works. The system boots and I can log in to an X system, but it looks more like gnome2, than gnome3; the whole activities thing and the favorites menu is gone. Instead, I have the mutliple window changer thing in the bottom right corner. While I know ma

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:13 -0300, Beco wrote: > Ubuntu has probably the same "complexity" for a developer, but as they > are more friendly to novices, they have more contributors. Ubuntu is tricky for newbies, it does fake to be similar to an iPad or Windows. And there's bizarre cooperation, such

protecting web directories in apache2

2012-11-27 Thread Zachary Uram
Running Apache2 on Debian testing release. Say I have a directory http://www.website.org/files/ And I want to let a user download a file: http://www.website.org/files/example.txt But I don't want them to be able to browse the directory and see the other files in there. So how can I protect the dire

Re: about xfce and window managers

2012-11-27 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 26 Nov 2012, John L. Cunningham wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 07:16:09PM +0200, Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras wrote: > > I am currently using debian sid with xfce 4.8 . > > I want to make tiling the windows like awesome or kinda like that . > > > > Have you thought about using Xmonad as the w

Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Lisi Reisz writes: > On Tuesday 27 November 2012 12:02:34 Jon Dowland wrote: >> For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh >> to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash >> is smaller and faster to load than bash). > > Thanks for the infor

Re: Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-27 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 26 Nov 2012, Curt Howland wrote: > Hi. I have a HP inkjet printer, PSC2100 from 2003, which still works > fine but something in Debian has changed. > > It used to print graphics and photographs very well. But a year or so > ago graphics stopped being "nice" and started being grainy and > speckl

Re: Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-27 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 04:32:59PM -0800, Gary Roach wrote: > On 11/26/2012 07:10 AM, Curt Howland wrote: > >Hi. I have a HP inkjet printer, PSC2100 from 2003, which still works > >fine but something in Debian has changed. > > > >It used to print graphics and photographs very well. But a year or so

Re: about xfce and window managers

2012-11-27 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:42:12AM -0500, John L. Cunningham wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 07:16:09PM +0200, Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras wrote: > > I am currently using debian sid with xfce 4.8 . > > I want to make tiling the windows like awesome or kinda like that . > > > > Have you thought a

Re: mariaDB in Debian

2012-11-27 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45:43PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 25 nov 12, 20:58:58, Gour wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've started using Tiki which supports both MySQL and MariaDB and > > seeing that the latter is not in the official Debian repos, I wonder > > what is the plan of including

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 26 November 2012 16:52:19 Jon Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > IOW, is there a rush? > > Perhaps not a "rush" but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release > schedule. And I'd *really* like to continue having stable software, and

Re: shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Beco
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: >> People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I >> think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D > > You should go really left-fiel

Re: how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Beco
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: >> > Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't >> > we? >> >> There needs to be a "critical mass"; but beyond that point, an >> increase in numbers i

Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 12:02:34 Jon Dowland wrote: > For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh > to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash > is smaller and faster to load than bash). Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realis

Re: Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
First and foremost, double check that your SATA cables are properly secure. Install smartctl and run smartctl -a /dev/$disk0 (where $disk0 is e.g. sda); check to see if any of the various SMART attributes indicate a problem. Run a short, then a long SMART self test smartctl -t short /dev/$disk

USB 3 card

2012-11-27 Thread Nelson Green
Good morning , I need to install a USB3 card in a Dell Precision, running a stock Squeeze install. Any that I should avoid, or issues I should be aware of? I see there are some hits on the list, but most appear to be in Spanish and I am far too rusty in that language to properly comprehend their

Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:29:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Does it really carry weight? With sysvinit, which spawns a lot of sh instances, yes. With something like systemd, no - it tries to solve the same problem in part by not spawning a shell lots of times. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to de

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-27 Thread green
Doug wrote at 2012-11-27 00:15 -0600: > 1. Proprietary drivers are generally written by the folks who know > the product the best, and so have the best chance of working without > bugs. > 5. If it works when you install it, there should be no reason *ever* > to update it. "If it ain't broke, don't

Dying hard drive?

2012-11-27 Thread Nelson Green
Good morning all, I have a Dell Precision desktop with two disks and a built in RAID 1 controller that I am not using. I originally tried to install Wheezy on disk0 but ran into issues with my video card, so I installed Squeeze on disk1 so I could be up and running. I eventually went back and ins

Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mar 27 novembre 2012 14:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:02 +, Jon Dowland wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >>> Also very nice is the output of >>> >>> >>> $ ls -l /bin/sh >>> >>> >>> for Ubuntu it's not bash. >> >> For modern

Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:02 +, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Also very nice is the output of > > > > $ ls -l /bin/sh > > > > for Ubuntu it's not bash. > > For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh > to das

Re: Messed up root

2012-11-27 Thread Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras
Take a live CD with same architecture as your currently machine. D chroot is one solution ... i think you need to do that from knoppix live cd if the architecture is the same as your machine ; knoppix is i386 so If your machine is i386 or amd64 with mutiarch will work boot the live cd open a ter

shells (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I > think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D You should go really left-field and try rc! (but not for /bin/sh.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Also very nice is the output of > > $ ls -l /bin/sh > > for Ubuntu it's not bash. For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash is sm

how many users is enough? (was Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: > > Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't > > we? > > There needs to be a "critical mass"; but beyond that point, an > increase in numbers is not necessarily beneficial. Agreed for 'mere' users, but

Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-27 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 08:19:01PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: > The best solution for the "I must have the very latest, and I must have > it now" crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or > you can have it now, but seldom can you have it "right now". "I must have the very

Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-27 Thread Morel Bérenger
>> There is Linux Standard Base which claim to be a standard for distros. > Which reminds me of the file system hierarchy issue, on my multi-boot > I've got Linux were e.g. /media is > > /media/directory > /media/username/directory > /run/media/username/directory I can not really see the point of h

Re: Messed up root

2012-11-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 07:37:39PM -0600, green wrote: > Gary Roach wrote at 2012-11-26 18:43 -0600: > > I've done the unthinkable. I accidentally changed root to qroot in > > my /etc/passwd file and then proceeded to log out of root. All of > > the files in /etc were changed to owner qroot and the

Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 14:44 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Your intent is seen by those who can read. That is all that matters. I don't worry that e.g. the Mossard will google and then kill me ;) or the German prosecution and then they will sue me ;). But an employer might google and then read "

Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 10:18 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > There is Linux Standard Base which claim to be a standard for distros. Which reminds me of the file system hierarchy issue, on my multi-boot I've got Linux were e.g. /media is /media/directory /media/username/directory /run/media/userna

Re: Messed up root

2012-11-27 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:43:29AM +, Gary Roach wrote: > I've done the unthinkable. I accidentally changed root to qroot in my > /etc/passwd file and then proceeded to log out of root. All of the files > in /etc were changed to owner qroot and the root password doesn't work > any more.

Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?

2012-11-27 Thread Brad Alexander
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Carl Fink wrote: >> I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as >> MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. >> >> Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOS

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-27 Thread Morel Bérenger
> 1. Proprietary drivers are generally written by the folks who know the > product the best, and so have the best chance of working without bugs. Obvious. But some free drivers are also made by people which know the hardware, when it's specifications are free. > 2. Unless you intend to modify the

About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release

2012-11-27 Thread Morel Bérenger
> When I decided to move "TO" Debian, one of my concerns was to be on a > distro that sets its way, not a distro that follows. Debian moto is "The > Universal Operating System". And that is the appeal to me. > > > I love standards. I would give my kingdom to have only ".deb" instead > of 3 or 4 (RP

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/27/12, Doug wrote: > On 11/26/2012 11:51 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> The problem with proprietary drivers is of course that they're >> proprietary, but on top of that, they aren't as hassle-free to install >> and update. > 1. Proprietary drivers are generally written by the folks who know

Re: Error upgrading debian installation from stable to testing : malformed Release file?

2012-11-27 Thread Morel Bérenger
And what about #apt-get dist-upgrade or #aptitude safe-upgrade ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d6a6eea37c974ce57bcb30a25ff2ff2a.squir...@www.sud-oue

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