Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Joel Roth
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 08:24:51PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2010-12-07 17:21 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > > > > A month ago, I disabled Network Manager service in my Squeeze system so > > it doesn't run on start up. I wanted to keep NM installed (just in case) > > but preferred to use the ol

Re: Can't get grub2 installed in debian-business cared(lenny)

2010-12-08 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Thomas Yao wrote: > Hi all, I'm tring to install Debian Squeeze via "expert install" of > Debian Business Card(Lenny) > Everything went well until grub installation, I selected the grub2 to > install with Squeeze but no matter which device I tried to select to > i

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-12-08 23:41 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: >> >> You should use "update-rc.d network-manager disable" instead.  See >> update-rc.d(8). > I think update-rc.d manpage should then change example which Camaleon > referenced in her solved pos

Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Tenenbaum
FWIW, I'm running Squeeze, and I just installed iceape 2.0.10, which I believe is the most recent version of SeaMonkey. I'm running on an AMD64 platform, if that matters. -PT PS: I think this is the first time I'm answering a Debian question, rather than asking it...

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Can't get grub2 installed in debian-business cared(lenny)

2010-12-08 Thread Thomas Yao
Hi all, I'm tring to install Debian Squeeze via "expert install" of Debian Business Card(Lenny) Everything went well until grub installation, I selected the grub2 to install with Squeeze but no matter which device I tried to select to install the boot loader, it told me "didn't select any device to

Re: What is possible with static ip?

2010-12-08 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:44:15 -0500 shawn wilson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Celejar wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:55:32 -0500 > > shawn wilson wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > lastly, what does this have to do with linux? debian in particular? to > > keep > > > this topical, if yo

Re: What is possible with static ip?

2010-12-08 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:55:32 -0500 > shawn wilson wrote: > > ... > > > lastly, what does this have to do with linux? debian in particular? to > keep > > this topical, if you're going to do any hosting on this box, i'll advise > you > > to mind what

Re: What is possible with static ip?

2010-12-08 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:55:32 -0500 shawn wilson wrote: ... > lastly, what does this have to do with linux? debian in particular? to keep > this topical, if you're going to do any hosting on this box, i'll advise you > to mind what ports you have publicly accessible, run snort and monitor it > (yo

Re: What is possible with static ip?

2010-12-08 Thread green
Stan Hoeppner wrote at 2010-12-07 23:18 -0700: > A static IP is not a requirement to "host" anything. Now the problem is that many ISPs don't even provide public IPs. DHCP returns some local address. If they weren't so lousy maybe they would support ipv6. signature.asc Description: Digital si

Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Bob Proulx
Camaleón wrote: > In fact, what this thread has shown us is that there is not a standard > method (let's call it "a common way") for doing a simple task like is > disabling a script from running and keep its current status. > > I was looking for a "Debian way" for handling this, not just with Ne

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Javier Barroso
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2010-12-07 17:21 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > > >> A month ago, I disabled Network Manager service in my Squeeze system so >> it doesn't run on start up. I wanted to keep NM installed (just in case) >> but preferred to use the old "ifup" network

Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Arthur Machlas
First, apologies to Shawn. I didn't pay attention when responding. Time to have dinner I think. On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, shawn wilson wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:35:25 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: >> >> > shawn wilson wrote: >> >>

Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Camaleón wrote: > On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:35:25 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > shawn wilson wrote: > >> It's generally advised that you use update-rc.d to do this. However, > >> IIRC this is the exact same thing that the command does (nothing more) > >> so you shoul

Re: Frustration made me do it.

2010-12-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/08/2010 04:29 PM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > Opera is slower when loading the same tabs set, especially heavy flash > content. On the good side it showed the best behaviour when it comes to > java applet test (a secure bank login applet), but consumed crazy > amounts of memory in this

Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:35:25 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > shawn wilson wrote: >> It's generally advised that you use update-rc.d to do this. However, >> IIRC this is the exact same thing that the command does (nothing more) >> so you should be fine. > > I see a lot of advice to use update-rc.d to m

Re: Directory and file permissions

2010-12-08 Thread shawn wilson
> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 02:00:21PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > In <201012081217.41820.lisi.re...@gmail.com>, Lisi wrote: > > >My google foo seems to have deserted me completely. Could someone take > > >pity? :-( > > > > > >Is it possible for a directory to have lower permissions tha

Re: Frustration made me do it.

2010-12-08 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
08/12/2010 14:46, Paul Cartwright wrote: >> On 12/08/2010 03:44 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: >> Overall chromium has a small edge, but not very noticeable here. I use >> both happily anyway ! >> > what about Opera.. just asking :) > > Well, what about it then ? ;-) I don't use Opera sinc

Re: Directory and file permissions

2010-12-08 Thread gun_smoke
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 02:00:21PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <201012081217.41820.lisi.re...@gmail.com>, Lisi wrote: > >My google foo seems to have deserted me completely. Could someone take > >pity? :-( > > > >Is it possible for a directory to have lower permissions than the files

Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Bob Proulx
shawn wilson wrote: > It's generally advised that you use update-rc.d to do this. However, IIRC > this is the exact same thing that the command does (nothing more) so you > should be fine. I see a lot of advice to use update-rc.d to manipulate the symlinks. That is fine. But it isn't required. I

Re: Directory and file permissions

2010-12-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <201012081217.41820.lisi.re...@gmail.com>, Lisi wrote: >My google foo seems to have deserted me completely. Could someone take >pity? :-( > >Is it possible for a directory to have lower permissions than the files it >contains? What is lower? Is 577 lower than 600 or vice-versa? In any case,

Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread shawn wilson
You could always just remove the symlink under the rc#.d directory that you want to start (S) or stop (K) the service in. It's generally advised that you use update-rc.d to do this. However, IIRC this is the exact same thing that the command does (nothing more) so you should be fine.

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-12-07 17:21 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > A month ago, I disabled Network Manager service in my Squeeze system so > it doesn't run on start up. I wanted to keep NM installed (just in case) > but preferred to use the old "ifup" network setup method. > > So I issued "update-rc.d network-manage

Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Arthur Machlas
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:09:14 -0600, Preston Boyington wrote: > >> Camaleón wrote: > >>> I agree this is the most common place to set the desired variable >>> values for the daemon and even the easiest way to turn on/off a service >>> at boot time b

Re: help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:58:02 +, Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2010 15:47:19 Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: >> sudo update-grub should do the trick. With grub2 the configuration file >> (grub.cfg) should not be edited by hand; it's updated every time >> update-grub is run. > > Lenny uses

Re: Getting the memory used by a process

2010-12-08 Thread John Hasler
Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > I am trying to find out the memory used by a process (peak memory > actually). [...] I cannot find a way to > retrieve the PID of a process when execution time is really short. Run your process in the background and then do "echo $!". -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:18:29 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Due to the removal by the Debian Project, of Iceape/Seamonkey from the > Debian packages, with the latest available version of Iceape/Seamonkey > for a "stable" debian distribution, being > > " > Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux

Re: Frustration made me do it.

2010-12-08 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 12/08/2010 03:44 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: >> Overall chromium has a small edge, but not very noticeable here. I use >> both happily anyway ! >> > what about Opera.. just asking :) > > > -- > Paul Cartwright > Registered Linux u

Re: Intel driver "updated"

2010-12-08 Thread Frank McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:44:00 +0100 Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2010-12-08 17:25 +0100, Frank McCormick wrote: > > > I updated my Sid machine this morning and one of the files > > was an "updated" xorg.video.intel package. > > My system was running fine

(Solved) Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:05:20 -0700, green wrote: > Camaleón wrote at 2010-12-07 09:21 -0700: >> So I issued "update-rc.d network-manager remove" and also disabled >> gnome NM applet from being started. So far so good, no more NM running >> at booting. > > You probably want to use "disable" instea

Re: Intel driver "updated"

2010-12-08 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-12-08 17:25 +0100, Frank McCormick wrote: > I updated my Sid machine this morning and one of the files > was an "updated" xorg.video.intel package. > My system was running fine - but since the update, X refuses > to load the Intel driver and instead runs Vesa in 1280x960 on my > 1920x1650

Re: help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
On 08/12/2010 15:58, Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 08 December 2010 15:47:19 Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: sudo update-grub should do the trick. With grub2 the configuration file (grub.cfg) should not be edited by hand; it's updated every time update-grub is run. Lenny uses grub 1. I think that it is

Re: Getting the memory used by a process

2010-12-08 Thread Mike
Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > I am trying to find out the memory used by a process (peak memory > actually). [...] I cannot find a way to > retrieve the PID of a process when execution time is really short. Use ulimit to set the allowed memory progressively lower? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Re: Getting the memory used by a process

2010-12-08 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Mathieu Malaterre's message of Wed Dec 08 11:59:32 +0100 2010: [memory usage of short-lived process] > Any other tool, other than pmap to do find that information ? I > would also like to avoid something as heady as valgrind --tool=massif. If it's only a single process you're inte

Intel driver "updated"

2010-12-08 Thread Frank McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I updated my Sid machine this morning and one of the files was an "updated" xorg.video.intel package. My system was running fine - but since the update, X refuses to load the Intel driver and instead ru

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Joel Roth
No one else has mentioned it: chmod a-x /etc/init.d/script-name Works for me :-) Cheers -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010120816115

Re: Getting the memory used by a process

2010-12-08 Thread Jochen Schulz
Mathieu Malaterre: > > I am trying to find out the memory used by a process (peak memory > actually). I found the command 'pmap', howeverI cannot find a way to > retrieve the PID of a process when execution time is really short. For > instance, this does not work: > > /bin/ls && (ps ax | grep l

Re: help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 15:47:19 Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > sudo update-grub should do the trick. With grub2 the configuration file > (grub.cfg) should not be edited by hand; it's updated every time > update-grub is run. Lenny uses grub 1. I think that it is called grub-legacy in Squeeze,

Re: help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
On 08/12/2010 14:36, Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debian Folks, I think this query is better sent to this list not debian amd64 so I have relayed it here. I run Lenny AMD64 on an AMD64 box with 8GB RAM and have two SATA drives. The first drive has the Lenny on it. I installed the other

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:46:50 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Arthur Machlas wrote: >> Camaleón wrote: >> > Are you suggesting to manually edit the "/etc/init.d/network-manager" >> > script header to fit my needs? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I expect >> > this file (as any file located here) can be upd

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:37:52 -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:46:53 +0100, Jochem Kossen wrote: (...) >>> You didn't disable network-manager. You removed the startup scripts >>> which were correctly put back by the update. >>> >>> O

Re: help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread Joe
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:36:38 + Michael Fothergill wrote: > > I tried installing the Windows on the new disk but it wouldn't install > with the first drive present. It said it couldn't create or locate an > existing partition or something. The cure here according to > Windows folks seeme

Re: help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread godo
I tried installing the Windows on the new disk but it wouldn't install with the first drive present. It said it couldn't create or locate an existing partition or something. The cure here according to Windows folks seemed to be to disconnect the other drive (with the Linux on it) from the

Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:09:14 -0600, Preston Boyington wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> I agree this is the most common place to set the desired variable >> values for the daemon and even the easiest way to turn on/off a service >> at boot time but the thing is that there is not such file for Network

FW: dumb question about dual booting debian and Windows 7 on separate drives.....

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Fothergill
Dear Debian Folks, I think this query is better sent to this list not debian amd64 so I have relayed it here. I run Lenny AMD64 on an AMD64 box with 8GB RAM and have two SATA drives. The first drive has the Lenny on it. I installed the other drive the other day so I could put Windows 7

Re: help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > title Windows 7 > map (sd0) (sd1) > map (sd1) (sd1) > rootnoverify (sd 0,0) > chainloader +1 Just looking at the above and not the rest of your email, I'd correct it as follows > title Windows 7 > map (hd0) (hd1) > map (hd1) (hd0) > ro

help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Fothergill
Dear Debian Folks, I think this query is better sent to this list not debian amd64 so I have relayed it here. I run Lenny AMD64 on an AMD64 box with 8GB RAM and have two SATA drives. The first drive has the Lenny on it. I installed the other drive the other day so I could put Windows 7 on

help getting grub to see Windows 7 on second drive

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Fothergill
Dear Debian Folks, I think this query is better sent to this list not debian amd64 so I have relayed it here. I run Lenny AMD64 on an AMD64 box with 8GB RAM and have two SATA drives. The first drive has the Lenny on it. I installed the other drive the other day so I could put Windows 7 on

Re: Directory and file permissions

2010-12-08 Thread Chris Jones
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 07:17:41AM EST, Lisi wrote: > My google foo seems to have deserted me completely. Could someone take > pity? :-( > > Is it possible for a directory to have lower permissions than the files it > contains? And could those who have permissions for the files, but not the >

Re: Frustration made me do it.

2010-12-08 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/08/2010 03:44 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > Overall chromium has a small edge, but not very noticeable here. I use > both happily anyway ! > what about Opera.. just asking :) -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:46:53 +0100, Jochem Kossen wrote: > On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:46:53 +0100, Jochem Kossen wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 04:21:38PM +, Camale?n wrote: >>> >>> A month ago, I disabled Network Manager service in my Squeeze s

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:46:53 +0100, Jochem Kossen wrote: On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:46:53 +0100, Jochem Kossen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 04:21:38PM +, Camale?n wrote: >> Hello, >> >> A month ago, I disabled Network Manager service in my Squeeze system so >> it doesn't run on start up. I w

Re: Directory and file permissions

2010-12-08 Thread Juha Tuuna
On 8.12.2010 14:17, Lisi wrote: > My google foo seems to have deserted me completely. Could someone take > pity? :-( > > Is it possible for a directory to have lower permissions than the files it > contains? And could those who have permissions for the files, but not the > directory, gain acc

Re: Getting the memory used by a process

2010-12-08 Thread Juha Tuuna
On 8.12.2010 12:59, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Hi there, > > I am trying to find out the memory used by a process (peak memory > actually). I found the command 'pmap', howeverI cannot find a way to > retrieve the PID of a process when execution time is really short. For > instance, this does not

Re: Directory and file permissions

2010-12-08 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2010-12-08 13:17, Lisi skrev: My google foo seems to have deserted me completely. Could someone take pity? :-( I will try my best guess: On our webserver-space it is quite common to leave directories without read access, to prevent visitors from obtaining directory listings. The files in t

Directory and file permissions

2010-12-08 Thread Lisi
My google foo seems to have deserted me completely. Could someone take pity? :-( Is it possible for a directory to have lower permissions than the files it contains? And could those who have permissions for the files, but not the directory, gain access to the files? My instinct says no. But

Re: KVM-networking (under normal user).

2010-12-08 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Pascal: > Sorry but I don't understand what you mean and want to achieve. > I guess that eth0 and tap0 are the interfaces which are supposed to be > bridged in br0, and the virtual machine is supposed to use tap0 ? Well. I'll try to explain my best - as I do no

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Getting the memory used by a process

2010-12-08 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
Hi there, I am trying to find out the memory used by a process (peak memory actually). I found the command 'pmap', howeverI cannot find a way to retrieve the PID of a process when execution time is really short. For instance, this does not work: /bin/ls && (ps ax | grep ls) Any other tool, o

Re: What is possible with static ip?

2010-12-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:18:41AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Matt Smith put forth on 12/7/2010 3:32 PM: > > I discovered my isp has assigned me a static ip. > > > > Does this mean I can make files available over the internet, if I want to > > leave a box running 24/7? > > Yes, but you can do

Re: Feedback needed: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.

2010-12-08 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:51:11 -0600, Arthur Machlas wrote: >> >> I'd definitely hold off on the bug report. I think you should look at >> the lsb headers of the network-manager script in /etc/init.d and change >> them to stop on all levels, start on

Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In , Bret Busby wrote: >the latest .deb >package of Iceape/Seamonkey available for a "stable" Debian version, is >four years out of date, with the Seamonkey project not providing >packaged (as in .deb packages) versions of its software, I am wondering >when the next version of Iceape for a "stable

Re: KVM-networking (under normal user).

2010-12-08 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Sthu Deus a écrit : > > Now, I have a lot of devices when bringing up br0 interface: eth0, br0, > tap0. - I believe only one I need to make my KVM using the network, how > I can stop auto bring them too besides br0 only, or eth0 only? Sorry but I don't understand what you mean and want to achieve

Re: What is possible with static ip?

2010-12-08 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : > Matt Smith put forth on 12/7/2010 3:32 PM: > > Yes, but you can do the same thing with a dynamic IP address and a > dynamic DNS service. A static IP is not a requirement to "host" > anything. A fixed address is required to host some services such as an authorita

Re: Frustration made me do it.

2010-12-08 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
08/12/2010 06:46, Miles Bader wrote: > Camaleón writes: >> Mozilla products are memory/CPU hogs, yes. I hope newer versions can >> correct that. > > I find that chromium actually seems to use _more_ memory for a given > amount of content. > > However with chromium it's really easy to reduce the

Re: keyboard issues (debian squeeze)

2010-12-08 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Kevin: > I suspected it was related to fglrx drivers, but on my current install > I didn't include these and the key repeat problem is *still* there. Months ago I had some problem w/ my keyboard using X. - I got fixed it by simply returning back to use the stab

Re: keyboard issues (debian squeeze)

2010-12-08 Thread Kevin Jackson
Hi, >> I'm sure this key repeat issue isn't a problem with my keyboard (even >> though it's cheap :).  But to answer your question, no I haven't tried >> unplugging/plugging my keyboard (it's hard to reach the socket without >> a lot of faffing around) > > Well, if you want my humble opinion, it w