Re: my sb16 works with my *foolish* method

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 10:42:15PM -0800, Serena Cantor wrote: > I have complain sb16 not working several times on the > list, now I manage to solve it on my own, it works!!! > The method is a little foolish, I'd like to seek your > advice. Below is my foolish method: > > 1, compile 2.4.27, but un

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 06:35:06AM +, Chris Lale wrote: > And I thought that Debian was so secure! To change the root password as Florian described, you need physical access to the machine, which most attackers lack. If you are concerned, you can set a password in lilo or grub. -- To UNSU

Re: security issues with apache!

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Kemp
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 09:02:13AM +0200, Enver ALTIN wrote: > If you have to leave some writable folders for Apache user, say, /tmp, > moving /tmp to another partition/filesystem and mounting it with > "noexec" option would prevent most harm /any/ PHP script can cause. Not true. Several o

Re: Linux phones...

2006-03-12 Thread Digby Tarvin
No point in rushing out and buying one if that is the case... I was rather hoping that any company progressive enough to use Linux in some of their products would also have been progressive enough to recognize that there are systems other than Mac and Windows that people might want to connect to -

Re: security issues with apache!

2006-03-12 Thread Enver ALTIN
Hi, Florian Reitmeir wrote: I had a similar encounter about 2 months ago. The intruder exploited a PHP script that was poorly written. If you check your http access logs, you will most likely find an entry about the PHP that is been exploited. Once you find the offending PHP script, you can ei

kanotix HD installation

2006-03-12 Thread Rocky Ou
Hey list, I'm a newbie to linux. By googling and friends recomendation, It seems debian will be my best choice. Did anyone do the Kanotix HD installation before? If so could you give me some advise? I want to have a dual-boot system on my Dell inspiron 2200 laptop. Where can I get resources to gr

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Andrew Vaughan wrote: [snip] Debian is, bar none, the major source of undesired e-mail for me. By far the source is messages like Hi, sexy guy! I'm hot and horney! or UOL SPAM CHALLENGE or Buy Viagra at reduced prices! etc. Now is this (i) spam as in unsolicited commerc

Re: Dell Inspiron 4000: Sarge 2.6 Compatibility ?

2006-03-12 Thread cga
Paul Romero wrote: Dear User Group: Is it possible to install Linux on a Dell Inspiron 4000 I suppose you mean get 'X' to work? using the vanilla stable Sarge 2.6 CD set without significant special procedures ? I have what is probably the same card and I'm pretty sure it worked out of

Re: Where to download precompiled Netbeans 5.0 debian package?

2006-03-12 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:36, Chong Zan Kai wrote: > May I know where can I download the latest Netbeans 5.0 (Debian > Package)?? > > Thanks a lot. TTBOMK there isn't one. Sun's licences tend to include clauses that debian can't accept. eg requirements to indemnify Sun for any liability they suff

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:09, Steve Lamb wrote: > > You've been around long enough to know how things work. You know the > > project has a policy of open, non-moderated mailing lists. > > Yup. And I've made it well known I think it is a pretty dumb policy > for the reasons stated. > > > You also

my sb16 works with my *foolish* method

2006-03-12 Thread Serena Cantor
I have complain sb16 not working several times on the list, now I manage to solve it on my own, it works!!! The method is a little foolish, I'd like to seek your advice. Below is my foolish method: 1, compile 2.4.27, but unable to use newly-compiled kernel, (this is another question) 2,under stoc

Re: Suggestion for a low memory system

2006-03-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Kumar Appaiah wrote: Dear Users, I would like your suggestion of a Sarge install on a low memory system. The system actually has a 750 Mhz P-III, and 56 MB RAM (+ 8 MB VRAM, I hear). Now, I would like to install Sarge on to that machine for internet browsing and word processing. I would like your

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Chris Lale
Florian Kulzer wrote: Chris Lale wrote: Hello William - please reply to the list, not individuals. You may get more replies that way! Thank you for your response. I installed Debian without the Ethernet card been detected. Yes, I have the 2 dvd's. My problem now is after installing Debian f

Re: ftp.us.debian.org signature problems?

2006-03-12 Thread Joey Hess
Chet Murthy wrote: > Today I was updating, and I noticed that the testing/Release file has > a bad signature, and that that signature is -different- from the > signature on the same file from http.us.debian.org. > > I wouldn't know if this is innocuous or dangerous -- figured I should > report it.

difference between kernel 2.4.27 and 2.4.27-2-386

2006-03-12 Thread Serena Cantor
I have sarge, could you explain the difference? As the precompiled kernel does not work with my ISA sb16 card, I compile 2.4.27, try to load sb module in 2.4.27-2-386, it fails: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o: kernel-module version mismatch /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/k

Re: GXine crashes in fullscreen mode

2006-03-12 Thread Justin Guerin
Aravind. R wrote: > Hello > I am using Gxine version 0.5.4 It crashes when I try to view in > fullscreen mode. This is the message I get as soon as I open gxine: > > lirc: lirc_init failed. Make sure that you have lircd running > lirc: and that you have the permissions to connect to the s

Re: Sarge nits: console resized, kernel vga parameter over-ridden, and dead keys.

2006-03-12 Thread Justin Guerin
s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Justin Guerin: >> s. keeling wrote: >> [snip] >> I believe this is due to your vga=x parameter. More on that below. >> >> > - Part way through the boot sequence, something in >> > /etc/init.d/console.sh (I assume) overrides my kernel command line >> >

Where to download precompiled Netbeans 5.0 debian package?

2006-03-12 Thread Chong Zan Kai
Hi,May I know where can I download the latest Netbeans 5.0 (Debian Package)??Thanks a lot.-- Best Regards,Chong Zan Kai

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Dave Sherohman said: > You can attempt to convince the listmasters or the project as a whole > in public without abusing them. (And it would be nice if they also > replied to you in a calm, levelheaded manner as well...) Have I not been calm after the initial exchange with Anand? Of course t

Re: Problems with cdrecord under kernel 2.6.15-8

2006-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 March 2006 22:43, Todd A. Jacobs wrote: >On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 02:11:16PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: >> OK, that's a different story. Why are you complaining about missing >> ide-scsi then? > >Because ide-scsi is missing, and now cdrecord doesn't work. If you > know something I d

Re: Problems with cdrecord under kernel 2.6.15-8

2006-03-12 Thread Matthias Julius
"Todd A. Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Because ide-scsi is missing, and now cdrecord doesn't work. If you know > something I don't about why cdrecord stopped working due to the kernel > change, please share. Better yet, if you know how to fix the problem, > please share. I have to admit

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 08:09:08PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > > You also know > > that to change that policy you need to convince either the lists-masters or > > the project as a whole. Abusing the lists-masters on -user won't help. > > Yes, it does. As I told Anand a person who approaches t

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 07:03:03PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > However, I am still doing the destination sorting via kmail, so I could > pick d-u off before it checks the headers SA adds, but I see little or > nothing to be gained by that in the real world. > > But that is one way I suppose. I

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
> You've been around long enough to know how things work. You know the > project has a policy of open, non-moderated mailing lists. Yup. And I've made it well known I think it is a pretty dumb policy for the reasons stated. > You also know > that to change that policy you need to convince e

Re: getting ppp working

2006-03-12 Thread John Hasler
Justin Guerin writes: > Have you used pppconfig? It should be apt-get installable. He should already have it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Problems with cdrecord under kernel 2.6.15-8

2006-03-12 Thread Todd A. Jacobs
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 02:11:16PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: > OK, that's a different story. Why are you complaining about missing > ide-scsi then? Because ide-scsi is missing, and now cdrecord doesn't work. If you know something I don't about why cdrecord stopped working due to the kernel c

Re: Sarge nits: console resized, kernel vga parameter over-ridden, and dead keys.

2006-03-12 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Justin Guerin: > s. keeling wrote: > > > Hi. I have three niggling little problems I'm hoping someone can help > > me with. I'm running stock Sarge on a Dell Inspiron 4000 with > > xserver-xfree86 (ATI Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02)), stock kernel > > 2.6.8-2-686. > > > > - At

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:10, Steve Lamb wrote: > Kent West said: > > I've been subscribed for several years, and have not felt abused by the > > list managers. > > "He doesn't abuse me, I needed to be punished!" I used it to convey > the fact that they are fully capable of closing a hole that sp

Re: ftp.us.debian.org signature problems?

2006-03-12 Thread Edward Shornock
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 05:19:27PM -0500, Chet Murthy wrote: > > Today I was updating, and I noticed that the testing/Release file has > a bad signature, and that that signature is -different- from the > signature on the same file from http.us.debian.org. > > I wouldn't know if this is innocuous

Re: Sarge nits: console resized, kernel vga parameter over-ridden, and dead keys.

2006-03-12 Thread Justin Guerin
s. keeling wrote: > Hi. I have three niggling little problems I'm hoping someone can help > me with. I'm running stock Sarge on a Dell Inspiron 4000 with > xserver-xfree86 (ATI Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02)), stock kernel > 2.6.8-2-686. > > - At boot, my console window is resized down to a

Re: iptables wrong version?

2006-03-12 Thread Justin Guerin
Philip Mak wrote: > I am trying to ban an IP address from my server (*.*.*.* is a real > IP): > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# ipchains -A INPUT --source *.*.*.* -p tcp -j DROP > ipchains: Protocol not available > [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# iptables -A INPUT --source *.*.*.* -p tcp -j DROP > iptables v

Re: getting ppp working

2006-03-12 Thread Justin Guerin
Marty Landman wrote: > Is there a recommended tutorial for getting a PPP connection working? I'm > using the woody mini-iso and having trouble getting things right. > > Marty > > > Marty Landman, Face 2 Interface Inc. 845-679-9387 > Web Installed Formmail: http://face2interface.com/formINSTal

webserver issues

2006-03-12 Thread Mark Grieveson
Hello. I have a webserver using apache 1.3.33, with Debian Sarge. I use webmin to set it up. Recently, there have been some problems with recognition of files due to the case of the charachers -- link to filenames that had previously had uppercase charachers were not recognized, because the

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Kent West said: > I've been subscribed for several years, and have not felt abused by the > list managers. "He doesn't abuse me, I needed to be punished!" I used it to convey the fact that they are fully capable of closing a hole that spammers use to abuse the list to vector spam into the sub

Re: Suggestion for a low memory system

2006-03-12 Thread Kent West
Kumar Appaiah wrote: Dear Users, I would like your suggestion of a Sarge install on a low memory system. Easy; get more RAM. (I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck, but for what you want to do, you really need more RAM.) The system actually has a 750 Mhz P-III, and 56 MB RAM (+ 8 MB VRAM, I he

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Kent West
Chris Lale wrote: Kent West wrote: Chris Lale wrote: During installation, the Debian installer cannot use any DHCP server that may be running on your router. I beg to differ, but I almost always grab a DHCP address when I install Debian. Well, I have not managed to get the installer

Re: Suggestion for a low memory system

2006-03-12 Thread Chance Platt
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 12:43 +1100, Star King of the Grape Trees wrote: > Kumar Appaiah wrote: > > >Dear Users, > >I would like your suggestion of a Sarge install on a low memory > >system. The system actually has a 750 Mhz P-III, and 56 MB RAM (+ 8 MB > >VRAM, I hear). Now, I would like to install

Re: Suggestion for a low memory system

2006-03-12 Thread jlmb
Kumar Appaiah wrote: > Dear Users, > I would like your suggestion of a Sarge install on a low memory > system. The system actually has a 750 Mhz P-III, and 56 MB RAM (+ 8 MB > VRAM, I hear). Now, I would like to install Sarge on to that machine > for internet browsing and word processing. I would l

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Kent West
Steve Lamb wrote: There are *TWO* parties to that equation and the list managers are abusing the one who has proven their interest and dedication by first off subscribing I've been subscribed for several years, and have not felt abused by the list managers. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: Suggestion for a low memory system

2006-03-12 Thread Star King of the Grape Trees
Kumar Appaiah wrote: Dear Users, I would like your suggestion of a Sarge install on a low memory system. The system actually has a 750 Mhz P-III, and 56 MB RAM (+ 8 MB VRAM, I hear). Now, I would like to install Sarge on to that machine for internet browsing and word processing. I would like you

Re: Outsider's observation upon the pros and cons of Debian

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 01:21:28PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > I have endeavored to maintain a helpful tone in this message. > Please forgive me where I may have failed. As more-or-less an > outsider here, I have an observation to make concerning the Debian > distribution, and considerations which

problem with ISA SB16 sound card

2006-03-12 Thread Serena Cantor
The problem is with kernel configuration, I believe, because kernel 2.4 (self compiled, not bf24)in woody work well with my sb16. The commands below can load correctly in kernel 2.0, 2.2 and 2.4 in woody: modprobe sound insmod uart401 insmod sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330 but sarg

Suggestion for a low memory system

2006-03-12 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear Users, I would like your suggestion of a Sarge install on a low memory system. The system actually has a 750 Mhz P-III, and 56 MB RAM (+ 8 MB VRAM, I hear). Now, I would like to install Sarge on to that machine for internet browsing and word processing. I would like your advice on what softwar

Re: PPPOE CHAP authentication failed

2006-03-12 Thread Sed Nivo
Hi All, I have find the reason of the problem. In our network are two PPPoE servers: cross and spider. I'm registered in cross, but "pon dsl-provider" try to connect me to spider. How can i explain to my pppoe client to use "cross" server??

Re: ITE 8212 INSTALL

2006-03-12 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:54, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:37:42 -0600 > > "Forrest Fuqua | JRWR | Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > im trying to install debian on a hardrive that is on a ite 8212 card > > in IDE/ATAPI mode, so far ive had no luck at all, i whant to instal

Re: Outsider's observation upon the pros and cons of Debian

2006-03-12 Thread Michael M
A very nice post! I, too, stopped reading the other thread after about five messages, when it became clear it devolved into a flame war. As another outsider, rank amateur, and Linux more-or-less newb, I'd just like to offer the following considerations: 1) Debian is characterized as "the Univer

Re: ITE 8212 INSTALL

2006-03-12 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:37:42 -0600 "Forrest Fuqua | JRWR | Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > im trying to install debian on a hardrive that is on a ite 8212 card > in IDE/ATAPI mode, so far ive had no luck at all, i whant to install > debian testing if i can, (with the linux26) ite 821x modules

Re: CUPS/foomatic/gs printing problem - plain text - first line too high,gets cut off

2006-03-12 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 3/12/06, Daniel B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm having trouble with printing after switching to using CUPS,foomatic, and gs (gs-esp) in Sarge:When I try to print plain text, the system cuts off the top two-thirdsof the first line, and the first several characters on the left. I have found it

Re: firewall/router machine

2006-03-12 Thread Chris
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 20:17 +0200, Meni Shapiro wrote: > hello list, > > I'm trying to configure my debian sarge 3.1 as a router using > iptables. > i got 2 nic (eth0, eth1) and a real ip 8 address for the lan and a > true ip (diferent class) for the internet nic > something like xx.xx.xx.1-8 wit

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CUPS/foomatic/gs printing problem - plain text - first line too high,gets cut off

2006-03-12 Thread Daniel B.
I'm having trouble with printing after switching to using CUPS, foomatic, and gs (gs-esp) in Sarge: When I try to print plain text, the system cuts off the top two-thirds of the first line, and the first several characters on the left. >From the position of the partially printed characters, it

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 03:31:51PM -0500, Bob Robertson wrote: > Then *post* to the list with a fake address, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Matthew R. Dempsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> then wrote: > Don't be an ass by using an actual domain name. This per

Re: Outsider's observation upon the pros and cons of Debian

2006-03-12 Thread Shawn Lamson
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:21:28 -0600 Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not all that enamored of the distribution I'm using, and > have been pondering changing to another, and considering > the pros and cons of various other distributions, Debian > being one of those under consideration.

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 March 2006 18:46, Steve Lamb wrote: >Tim Connors said: >> I think it would would work much easier for you to direct all email >> with debian list headers to not go through your filters at all. > >This is both not desirable and not possible. > >While it is possible to skip my Sp

Re: Linux phones...

2006-03-12 Thread Christoph Nenning
As far as I know, those Linux based phones do not differ from others. On the phone you have the usual menu interface (no command line, not even optional) and the tools are just for Windows or maybe MacOS. regards Christoph Am Samstag, 11. März 2006 10:36 schrieb Digby Tarvin: > Does anyone

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Tim Connors said: > I think it would would work much easier for you to direct all email > with debian list headers to not go through your filters at all. This is both not desirable and not possible. While it is possible to skip my Spamassassin filters it is not desirable. I could exclude

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Florian Kulzer
Chris Lale wrote: Hello William - please reply to the list, not individuals. You may get more replies that way! Thank you for your response. I installed Debian without the Ethernet card been detected. Yes, I have the 2 dvd's. My problem now is after installing Debian for the first time, I was

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Tim Connors
"Steve Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:56:25 -0800 (PST): > Tim Connors said: > > And I get 4 easily > > detected spam/erroneous subscribe messages in one page of headers. > > Since I go through the list with basically my hand on the delete key > > as I watch the subject lines

Re: mp4, audio and mplayer

2006-03-12 Thread Chris
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 11:08 +0100, David C. Weichert wrote: > Hi, > > what do I need to install to play > http://www.archive.org/download/DuckandC1951/DuckandC1951_256kb.mp4 with > sound? Hi, I run Sid but have the same problem with mplayer you seem to have. Totem-xine runs it fine though. Goo

ftp.us.debian.org signature problems?

2006-03-12 Thread Chet Murthy
Today I was updating, and I noticed that the testing/Release file has a bad signature, and that that signature is -different- from the signature on the same file from http.us.debian.org. I wouldn't know if this is innocuous or dangerous -- figured I should report it. When I switched to http.us.d

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:41:14 + Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello William - please reply to the list, not individuals. You may get > more replies that way! > > >Thank you for your response. I installed Debian without the Ethernet card > >been detected. Yes, I have the 2 dvd's. >

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Chris Lale
Clive Menzies wrote: On (12/03/06 22:22), Chris Lale wrote: Chris Lale wrote: During installation, the Debian installer cannot use any DHCP server that may be running on your router. I beg to differ, but I almost always grab a DHCP address when I install Debian. Wel

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:24:10 -0600 "Matthew R. Dempsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:16:43AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Sorry, maybe I'm dense, but why is it ridiculous? > > It prevents private replies. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > w

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Chris Lale
Hello William - please reply to the list, not individuals. You may get more replies that way! Thank you for your response. I installed Debian without the Ethernet card been detected. Yes, I have the 2 dvd's. My problem now is after installing Debian for the first time, I was asked to write a

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Clive Menzies
On (12/03/06 22:22), Chris Lale wrote: > >Chris Lale wrote: > > > >>During installation, the Debian installer cannot use any DHCP server > >>that may be running on your router. > > > > > >I beg to differ, but I almost always grab a DHCP address when I > >install Debian. > > Well, I have not mana

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Matthew R. Dempsky said: > On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:16:43AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> Sorry, maybe I'm dense, but why is it ridiculous? > It prevents private replies. As he described it, no, it doesn't prevent them. It makes them inconvenient and the replier may choose to not go thro

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:16:43AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Sorry, maybe I'm dense, but why is it ridiculous? It prevents private replies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Matthew R. Dempsky said: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 11:05:52AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: >> So, please, tell me exactly how a mailing list for (dozens of? >> hundreds of?) thousands of people who relays postings from any any all >> comers is fundimentally different than an open relay? > No one force

Re: Hardware

2006-03-12 Thread Chris Lale
Kent West wrote: Chris Lale wrote: During installation, the Debian installer cannot use any DHCP server that may be running on your router. I beg to differ, but I almost always grab a DHCP address when I install Debian. Well, I have not managed to get the installer to work with the DHCP

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Chris Metzler said: > However, the majority of times you're in disagreement with someone, > out comes the "you're a clueless idiot" card. Someone can disagree > with you without being clueless or stupid. No Chris, it doesn't come out all that often. It comes out when people are being just th

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:39:55 -0600 "Matthew R. Dempsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 03:31:51PM -0500, Bob Robertson wrote: > > Then *post* to the list with a fake address, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Don't be an ass by using an actual domain name. example.{com,org,net}

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Tim Connors said: > That's a good way to get your bogus opinions across. No, that was a way to get my frustration across since the limst managers pretty much never show themselves on this list, especially when discussions on list policy and procedure crop up. > Steve: a suggestion. Not every

Re: Outsider's observation upon the pros and cons of Debian

2006-03-12 Thread Clive Menzies
Hi Mike Debian (IMHO) is a great distribution for and rock solid servers and for people who are prepared to climb a fairly steep learning curve to run sid/etch. Later hardware requires newer software than sarge in many instances. And whilst sarge runs out of the box to a great extent understandi

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Chris Metzler
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:06:28 +1100 Anand Kumria wrote: > > In fact, if the tone of further emails from you matches this one or > you continue on this topic I'll forcibly assist you in the process. I don't find Steve's tone particularly constructive either; but this seems way out of line to me. Be

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 11:05:52AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > So, please, tell me exactly how a mailing list for (dozens of? > hundreds of?) thousands of people who relays postings from any any all > comers is fundimentally different than an open relay? No one forced you to subscribe to debian

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Tim Connors
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:54:25 -0800: > Anand Kumria wrote: > > It is because the listmasters, of which I am one, > > Good, finally a name to go with this idiocy. Anand Kumria, clueless > list > manager. That's a good way to get your bogus opinions across

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Chris Metzler
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:54:25 -0800 Steve Lamb wrote: > Anand Kumria wrote: >> It is because the listmasters, of which I am one, > > Good, finally a name to go with this idiocy. Anand Kumria, > clueless list manager. The vast majority of the technical information you provide here is spot-on

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Matthew R. Dempsky said: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 11:14:50AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Get out of your ivory tower and come join us in the bazaar. > Says the man wanting a closed mailing list. There is a difference between a bazaar and a cesspool. -- Steve Lamb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 11:14:50AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Get out of your ivory tower and come join us in the bazaar. Says the man wanting a closed mailing list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Adding GNUsTicker

2006-03-12 Thread Andrew Vaughan
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:40, B.Hoffmann wrote: > > Ah ok. Would you know by any chance which package would satisfy > "configure: error: could not find Boost python headers" ? > > I'm sorry it looks like you have to walk me through this but can only > use apt-get at the moment and not Synaptic so if I

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Tim Connors said: > And I get 4 easily > detected spam/erroneous subscribe messages in one page of headers. > Since I go through the list with basically my hand on the delete key > as I watch the subject lines scroll by anyway, that causes me not very > much noticable pain. From my side it doe

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Hans du Plooy
On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 11:36 -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I frequently get email or in-person requests for help from people who > are having trouble with the instructions to either send a message with > "subscribe" as the subject [snip] Not to argue either sides of the argument, but someone who h

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 12 March 2006 16:24, Tim Connors wrote: > Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:31:39 -0500: > > In this case, there could be other solutions. For example, where > > do people get the list address? If they find it on Debian web > > pages, it would be possible to s

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Tim Connors
Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:31:39 -0500: > In this case, there could be other solutions. For example, where do > people get the list address? If they find it on Debian web pages, it > would be possible to set up a form with a CGI script to allow > submitting an

Re: Adding GNUsTicker

2006-03-12 Thread B.Hoffmann
On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 16:16 -0500, Darryl Clarke wrote: On 12/03/06, B.Hoffmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thank you, this did the trick and I got a bit further this time, but now it's complaining about > > checking for headers required to compile python extensions... not found

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 03:31:51PM -0500, Bob Robertson wrote: > Then *post* to the list with a fake address, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't be an ass by using an actual domain name. example.{com,org,net} are reserved domain names that would be best for this. Also, if you plan on doing this, s

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Tim Connors
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:46:38 -0800: > Michael Marsh wrote: > > Because subscribing to the list *is* a barrier, and > > *will* prevent a good number of people from asking their questions. > > No, it isn't. It's called being responsible. > > > Open posting

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread B.Hoffmann
As long as we do not get posters to this list like on the Slackware group where one p'd off guy with a personal grudge flooded it with several hundred messages of utter nonsense for several days every day we should be alright... I hope.

Re: Outsider's observation upon the pros and cons of Debian

2006-03-12 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a small number of occasions, I have proposed what appeared to me > to be relatively minor modifications to the policies of this mail > list. Each of these has been met by the existence of two already- > form

Re: [Testing] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

2006-03-12 Thread Francesco Bochicchio
Il Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:10:16 +0100, Florian Kulzer ha scritto: > Francesco Bochicchio wrote: >> Hi all, >> ... > Maybe some more things to check: > ... Thanks for your answer. It turned out that an update of the alsa-base package fixed my problem, although I'm not sure how. My gess is that it

Re: PPPOE CHAP authentication failed

2006-03-12 Thread Sed Nivo
I have try it. Yes i use pppoeconf to set up connection. I have try to set MRU and MTU too. It's my /etc/peers/dsl-provider. I removed comments. noipdefault usepeerdns defaultroute hide-password lcp-echo-interval 20 lcp-echo-failure 3 connect /bin/true noauth persist mtu 1452 mru 1452 noaccomp

Re: Adding GNUsTicker

2006-03-12 Thread Darryl Clarke
On 12/03/06, B.Hoffmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thank you, this did the trick and I got a bit further this time, > but now it's complaining about > > checking for headers required to compile python extensions... not found > configure: error: could not find Python headers > > I g

Re: Adding GNUsTicker

2006-03-12 Thread B.Hoffmann
Thank you, this did the trick and I got a bit further this time, but now it's complaining about checking for headers required to compile python extensions... not found configure: error: could not find Python headers I guess I should use a distro that comes with all this by default, like Debia

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Bob Robertson
There is a simple answer for those who wish to use an "open" forum and yet retain their anonymity. Subscribe to the list (or to the digest) with your real email address. Then *post* to the list with a fake address, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] I find the "identity" field in Kmail to be perfect for

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Kent West
Steve Lamb wrote: Kent West said: I'm still not sure I'd want to "subscribe" either. Sometimes I just want to email a correction or comment, and don't need a reply, etc. In those cases would you be willing to post via a webform as proposed elsewhere in this thread? Yeah, I thin

Re: scanner permissions

2006-03-12 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:49:19PM +0100, Ernst-Magne Vindal wrote: > First of all, "topposting".. While we're on the topic of email etiquette, perhaps we could discuss pruning quotations to the bare minimum. Top posting, while obnoxious, is not as bad as having to scroll down two pages bef

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 12 March 2006 15:18, Steve Lamb wrote: >Kent West said: >> I'm still not sure I'd want to "subscribe" either. Sometimes I just >> want to email a correction or comment, and don't need a reply, etc. > >In those cases would you be willing to post via a webform as > proposed elsewhere in

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Katipo
Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 08:54:25AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Anand Kumria wrote: It is because the listmasters, of which I am one, Good, finally a name to go with this idiocy. Anand Kumria, clueless list manager. Steve Lamb, abusive and unhelpful j

Re: xine under sarge

2006-03-12 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:57:32 +0100 David Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 08:31:41AM -0600, Kent West wrote: > > > > On my Sid box, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-cache search libdvd > > You don't need to be root for that, do you? > > > -- > David Jardine > > "

Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Kent West said: > I'm still not sure I'd want to "subscribe" either. Sometimes I just want > to email a correction or comment, and don't need a reply, etc. In those cases would you be willing to post via a webform as proposed elsewhere in this thread? -- Steve Lamb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

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