On Sunday 12 March 2006 16:24, Tim Connors wrote:
> Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 
14:31:39 -0500:
> > In this case, there could be other solutions.  For example, where
> > do people get the list address?  If they find it on Debian web
> > pages, it would be possible to set up a form with a CGI script to
> > allow submitting an e-mail without being a subscriber and the CGI
> > script could include a spam filter.  It would also be possible to
> > add to the mail list manager a routine that detects e-mail from
> > non-subscribers. I know challenge-response tactics aren't always
> > popular, but something like that could be set up so a newbie can
> > ask a question without joining and crap is still filtered.  It
> > seems to me a
> > challenge-response request is a fair price to pay if one wants help
> > but does not want to subscribe.  Or a general spam filter could be
> > used so email from non subscribers is at least checked for valid
> > respond to addresses and other anomalies.
>
> That all sounds rather unnecessary.

Just huckleberrying.  As I said, don't bother to pick it apart, my point 
was that there were other ways to do it, not that this one way was what 
should be done.

> Why not just run a spam filter on the input to the list like so many
> other lists do?  Anything detected as spam goes to a (voluntary)
> moderator team to be approved/declined.  Open list, no challenge
> response each time the email address of the sender changes, and
> there's not *that* much spam for a moderator team to deal with.

If it works, fine with me.

> And all this discussion is strange anyway.  I just looked through the
> only debian list I subscribe to -- debian-laptop.  It ends up in a
> single folder in my mail -- anything that has a debian list header
> attached to it ends up there, so any spam addressed to debian-laptop,
> as opposed to me personally, goes through there.  And I get 4 easily
> detected spam/erroneous subscribe messages in one page of headers.
> Since I go through the list with basically my hand on the delete key
> as I watch the subject lines scroll by anyway, that causes me not
> very much noticable pain.

You're also using filters, and it works for many of us, but for a 
newbie, it might be a good while before they get to setting up filters.

Hal


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