send a message like this one
to let possibly interested others know where the thread went.
I am making a comment; I'm choosing debian-policy as the list. See it there.
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> Thank you. That was the point I was so poorly trying to make. No
> denigration was intended (just a bit of jealousy at not having any spare
> time myself)
I'm not a developer, but I see how the debian IRC
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Grammostola Rosea,
Hi. I took the suggestion of one of the replies to your original post
and read about debian pure blends, and at first I thought demudi was a
pure blend; it's listed as one of the projects but is not actually a
pure blend, which I guess means they might have updated apps and
spec
hose packages and do the testing. We all know debian hamm
is relatively stable... but such a move would lose you folx who would otherwise
use it. A kernel is just plain too important to cut corners as you suggest.
-Jim
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> How is this different from bo, where we also had three kernel versions
> available and only had pcmcia modules for the first two?
No difference. And no improvement. :)
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make a clean break. Going between libc versions was one of those times, as was
going from a.out to elf. Otherwise, what are major number changes for?
Are you unhappy with the result (hamm)? I'm not...
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it has two modes which make the keys mean totally different
things and don't announce themselves except thru the terminal bell. My opinion
about this: (deleted; form your own :)
Historical fact about VI: some people got really, really good at using it :)
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ppy to put this behind me and get on with other
> things.
> I think it's more of an honest "victory" when something that isn't
> free becomes free.
You have a point... but I think victories should be taken when and as they can
be got. You got it. Now take it. And con
> Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Why? I think you see vi as I see gpm and they see mc: as an "essential
> > > convenience".
> >
> > vi has the advantage of being backward compatib
e furor is over vi :)
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> I recently upgraded to the hamm distribution. Ever since the upgrade
> I have not been able to compile anything with gcc.
It seems part of your upgrade wasn't completed... you probably need to install
libc6-dev.
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gt; slink.
(I am not a voter here.)
Fine... but PLEASE don't make decisions that would make any of the other
mailers unusable to any degree (that's for everyone else), -especially-
sendmail (that's for me).
-Jim
tly according to its letter and its original intent. Whoever is
using the GPL in a way that conflicts with its terms should stop immediately
and correct the situation.
Without further study into the situation, I can't tell who is or is not
doing so.
-Jim
Qt.
> On Solaris KDE is shipped even though no Sun
> product includes Qt. So the case there is even more blatant
Could you elaborate a bit here, if only addressing the elaboration to me?
why is this more blatent?
-Jim
I simply use the services. Hence, libc
is "a section of" the thing I am making, and does not derive from it.
How is this wrong? Is it "strategic" to look at sections as derivations?
-Jim
s from libc by being linked with it. This is precisely
> why an LGPL has to exist.
So this isn't "derivative" in the sense of the OOP idiom "IS-A"...
and you're saying that all I have to do to "derive from" something, is to
include it unmodified or modified?
-Jim
Here's my .xsession... it assumes the window manager is not the session
controller, and something else is (but that can be changed pretty easily)
---
file: .xsession
---
#!/bin/bash
#
# logout button .xsession allowing fav window mgr by Jim Lynch
#
# This .xsession prepares for gnome by h
gout-button
+#exec logout-button # anyone wanna a logout button? send me mail :)
exec gnome-session
# end of .xsession
@@ -94,7 +89,7 @@
# # NOTE: this part taken from the else part of the final "if"
# # in the global /etc/X11/Xsession by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# #
-# # i.e., look at this code as the default behavior and
+# # i.e., look at this code as the default session behavior and
# # modify to taste
#
# xterm -ls &
---
-Jim
n its pure form would make it big. I have a few java projects
that I'm taking off the back burner presently, and now this.
Inquiring, jdk-using minds want to know.
-Jim
l class lists are generated in two forms (printable, tab-delimited)
are mailed out to teachers. The scripts handle midterm adds and drops.
Anyone can get the scripts at http://www.laney.edu/pub/jim/roster/ and there
are a few things in /pub/jim other than roster iirc.
When the foreign database is
UNIX's disunity was a major aid to Microsoft.
Repeating that history would not be good.
- Jim
On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 10:53 -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
> William Ballard wrote:
>
> >What makes you think you'll be any more successful than when the Unix
r suite in the world, and different
compilers uncover a different spectrum of bugs.
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g out what features (in the
kernel, or device drivers, or external commands, or some
package for some language such as perl or python or
some C libraries...) give us control over logic levels of pins,
and which pins (serial RS-232, parallel, what?).
Anybody got experience with this stuff?
j
from UNIX.
- Jim
On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 13:20 +0100, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Fre, 11 MÃr 2005, Drew Parsons wrote:
> > Xprint works perfectly fine out of the box.
>
> There are several bug reports, some of them I have contributed to, but I
> guess some of them are f
ed would that be ??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Thomas
Yes it's possible and there have been patches posted on lkml that do that,
but it incurrs a performance hit and it's usually easier just to get a
64-bit machine these days.
Jim.
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for building a really large filesystem spread across
multiple machines on the internet?
Cheers,
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ay we're becoming more open, if anything.
Cheers,
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dpkg-cert already does something like this. Klee is going to fold the
capabilities of dpkg-cert into dpkg, so I think a solution is on
the horizon. :-)
We just have to wait patiently for Klee and his upcoming proposal to overhaul
dpkg.
Cheers,
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it might be nice to be able to add an arbitrary package to the
repository via a CGI script or something like that.
Cheers,
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backup file
> hello-1.3/debian/substvars.dpkg-orig: No such file or directory
[ Excellent and absolutely correct analysis snipped ]
This has been fixed already in 1.4.0.18 (in Incoming) which has been there
for a few days. I got burned by that one too.
Cheers,
-Jim
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which is under the GPL,
not the LPGL...
(sorry for the cheap shot)
Cheers,
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eally.
I don't think this situation exists with libc5 or libc6 (ie. Netscape
and Sun's JDK are linked against it). I'm not familiar with the
licenses on everything though -- I hate reading the fine print.
If I'm wrong on this issue (I hope I am), please correct me.
Cheers,
- Jim
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oing to update the
cross-compiler to assist me.
Hopefully, cygwin.dll can become a part of the Debian distribution
for a Win32 port, playing the same role as the Linux kernel. But it
would be a shame if we have to reclassify the copyrights on every package
in the distribution (and prohibit non-free stuff) just because of it.
Cheers,
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> Yes, very limiting. The code actually cannot be linked statically!
Can't be linked dynamically either... read the GPL.
Cheers,
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even if it is
under the GPL.
I'd like to see Debian maintain some lofty goals as to what constitutes
"Free Software", so I think that discussion on these topics is healthy.
Just calling 'em like I see 'em.
Cheers,
- Jim
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There already is a tkinfo package (version 1.3). cas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is
listed as the maintainer.
Cheers,
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ould investigate using a less restrictive
license, such as the LGPL, rather than prying money out of the hands of
the users.
(hopefully I'm clearing up some people's thinking on this topic)
Cheers,
- Jim
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in court, with a bunch of expensive lawyers on the other side.
Cheers,
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> On Jun 2, Jim Pick wrote
> > The cygwin.dll case in an example where the GPL is being used to restrict
> > the
> > rights of other people using the code so that they can't do something taboo
> > such as charge money, while at the same time, reserving the rig
he main distribution,
and into contrib.
I'm sure glad I've never programmed anything against ncurses.
Or did I miss something?
Cheers, from a slightly alarmed,
- Jim
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I just wrote:
> In addition, all of the programs
> compiled against it should be moved out of the main distribution,
> and into contrib.
(I just noticed that dselect/dpkg falls into this category)
This is not a good situation.
Cheers,
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non-free" package. Maybe we're going to have to
strip dselect out of the dpkg package, and put it into a separate
package to go into the "contrib" directory. Ugly.
Of course, this can be reversed if Eric Raymond (and Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
resolves the licensing situation - saving us a lot of work.
Cheers,
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should stick with the requirement for having all the code in the
core distribution being modifiable. (that's the #1 reason I use and
develop for Debian)
Cheers,
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o that.
Is there a document where "Errata" can go? How about a release-specific
FAQ that we can update after 1.3 has been release? I can think of
a number of questions that could go onto it. This could be prominently
featured on the web site and the ftp server.
Cheers,
- Jim
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> On Jun 2, Jim Pick wrote
> > Just so you understand why I'm so interested - I'm working on porting dpkg
> > to cygwin32.
>
> Porting or re-implementing? If it's a port, dpkg is already under
> gpl, so cygwin32 being under gpl shouldn't be an issu
returned
to the author, or require assigning the copyright for modifications to the
license
holder.
That's my (strong) opinion. There needs to be more debate.
Cheers,
- Jim
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> Regarding the assignment of copyright, I took that out of the draft
> document.
Yay! I knew you were a good guy! :-)
Cheers,
- Jim
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, since it's a pretty large package, and would take quite a bit
of effort.
PostgreSQL 6.1 should be coming out in a few days. It looks good. :-)
Cheers,
- Jim
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> Jim,
>
> why didn't you upload shared Motif library version of jdk1.1-runtime?
> I just wonder if there is any reason for that.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Alex Y.
The jdk1.1-runtime package can be used either way - read the
/usr/doc/jdk1.1/README.linux.gz file for det
great for
feature requests and notifying that a new version is available.
People shouldn't interpret the number of bugs against a package as
an indication of its quality -- they could all just be requests for
enhancements.
Cheers,
- Jim
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l get past the prototype stage in the
next month or so, and there will be a standard supported way of
registering documents with dwww.
Cheers,
- Jim
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ckage them up (so we don't fall out of 1st place).
If anybody really, really wants to talk to me - just call my pager number
(listed on my home page).
Cheers,
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ng 1 team (ie. a Linux
team) sort of kills the competition aspect of it all.
So I'm still in favour of using the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address,
even though that address is just an auto-responder.
Once I get my experimental dwww release out (hopefully tomorrow),
I'll package up an "rc5-bovine" package to replace the "des-solnet"
package.
Cheers,
- Jim
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In summary:
Why the hell do we have to be so damn politically correct?
I'm mostly in this for fun. :-)
Cheers,
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organizing a mutiny or anything
(although Bruce seemed to take it that way last time). :-)
Cheers,
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nd like a good idea to me, but I'm no expert on crypto.
Cheers,
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ckages
with no documentation at all.
7) Cacheing - I'm going to split the cacheing in dwww into a separate
package. That way, it should be easy to improve it, not use it,
or use something like squid instead.
That's it for now...
Cheers,
- Jim
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web server/dwww combination to allow other browsers
to work too.
- all the documentation isn't going to be HTML anyways - just "book-like"
stuff. So what's the big deal anyways. No need to start a flame-war.
- the other option would be to leave HTML full uncompressed, which would
be easiest
Cheers,
- Jim
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ver on the
> net. There could be style variables in the markup to set
> up the base directories/servers.
We had the exact same discussion on the debian-doc mailing list.
> Jim> 4) HTML documentation, if it exists, should be gzipped. Lynx
> Jim> and Netscape can han
tself.
I just looked at the mod-rewrite web page - it looks like it does rewrite the
documents - pretty powerful stuff. Sorry if I misinformed anyone...
Cheers,
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a 5GB drive for $600 CDN. And
dwww will probably evolve to make it easy to view the documentation
that is installed on a remote system (on the Internet or via an
Intranet). Plus, finally, it's the simplest solution.
Cheers,
- Jim
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One complication I can think of - dselect and the ftp sites have the
concept of "overrides", where Guy can change the section a package
is assigned to. This wouldn't be reflected in the /usr/doc
directory - of course, this might not really matter.
Cheers,
- Jim
pg
le using old hardware have similar
usage.
Who objects?
Cheers,
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ent on my fairly typical low-end 386 installation
by a single byte.
Makes you sort of wonder why everyone is so excited... :-)
Cheers,
-Jim
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buying off-line books from Tim O'Reilly and company.
Cheers,
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that has to protect it's
turf - so the regulations are pretty loose. The only thing not
permitted is re-exporting crypto stuff that was illegally exported
from the US, AFAIK.
Cheers,
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,
and Telnet to it. (of course, firewalls can be a pain)
Cheers,
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I imagine that means it is covered by the GPL. Actually,
Larry grants permission to use/modify it on his web page.
http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/
Cheers,
- Jim
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ackage of beta 12, back in August,
but he didn't upload it since he was waiting for developer status. I wonder
what happened? Did we lose another one?
Anyways, his old package is at:
ftp://ftp.mandrake.net/pub/enlightenment/debian-deb/
For some reason, there's no source packages.
Check out the forwarded message below. I get the same error using
Debian unstable. Does this mean that Red Hat has thread-safe X libs
and we don't?
Cheers,
- Jim
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On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Sascha Ziemann wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/szi$ phaser_chess
> wa
scussion back to the Gnome list now. If Debian has
thread-safe X libs (as you say, and as I thought), then the problem
needs some deeper debugging. If it turns out that Red Hat has set up
their X differently than Debian, I'll get back to you.
Thanks for the quick response.
Cheers,
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e policy a bit better. If
somebody could explain what exactly is going wrong in
these packages - ie. what policy are they violating?
Or is it dpkg's fault?
Cheers,
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rious problem. We ought
not to release 2.0 in this state.
The shared library thing has always confused me a bit because
I tend to pick these things up by example - but if everybody's
doing it wrong...
Should I file bug reports? What severity?
Or am I unduly alarmed?
Cheers,
- Jim
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This .forward file worked for me for procmail on exim:
"|/usr/bin/procmail USER=jimtest"
It took a bit of trial and error to figure that one out.
I'm not sure what -Qf- does, you might want to add that too.
Hope that helps...
Cheers,
- Jim
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[ Sorry for the exploding cc: list - this is a Debian packaging issue,
so please limit the follow-ups to debian-devel. ]
Mark Galassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jim> Perhaps I should declare a dependency on the slib package,
>
> Absolutely not! It would be a great
an - it's a good image/reputation builder. I do have to keep myself
in check to make sure I don't "overcommit" my time to the project though.
Look for an updated dwww package and a new "kaffe+kore" package this week
from me.
Cheers,
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ng packages (dhelp,
menu, and dwww-next-generation).
The next dwww should be ready by Sunday, at least.
Cheers,
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architecture. I've got some additional plans that go beyond that release
too.
(oh yeah, since Brian is still cc'd to this - I should mention that I'd
like to do a pgsql package too, now that we have an updated postgresql
package again)
Cheers,
- Jim
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with supporting multiple architectures, languages, and multiple
distributions too.
I don't think it would be too much work rigging the ability to generate
RPMs into our package building process, or to use Red Hat 'spec' files
with dpkg-dev. Someday I'm gonna figure out how to do that.
Cheers,
- Jim
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Sorry,
For those holding their breath...
I had system problems this weekend. I'll have dwww ready
next weekend.
Cheers,
- Jim
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the bug was in under ten
lines of description.
>
> guile (1.2-3) unstable; urgency=low
>
> * Removed --with-threads and --enable-dynamic-linking options
> (should fix #14213, 14214 - Thanks John Goerzen)
> * Added ldconfig to postinst
> Fixes Bug #41212 -
keyring says that there are 313 developers, making Q 8.85 and K 5.
>
> Brian
You know what would be cool - if the www.debian.org homepage had a
running count of the number of maintainers!
That's Debian's biggest selling point, as far as I'm concerned.
Cheers,
- Ji
fixing 1.1.3.
You can still get it from:
ftp://ftp.jimpick.com/pub/debian/pkgs-old/jdk1.1/1.1.3.v2-1
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Cheers,
- Jim
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Stephen Zander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bummer! I can't help here unfortunately (I'm a jdk source licencee) but
> I thought Jim Pick had expressed an intention of persuing free JVM
> implementations.
>
> Jim?
I'm freeing up the rest of this week, so I w
That way almost any program with a /tmp
> security hole will stop working straight away and _have_ to be fixed.
That seems pretty extreme.
If we are going to do something like that - couldn't we just get rid
of /tmp altogether?
Cheers,
- Jim
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David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > GNOME is currently not very stable and things are changing very
> > rapidly. Jim Pick is the GNOME guy for Debian. Give it a few more
> > weeks and I think you will see more.
I've got most of the packaging for gnome 0
they've changed the rules to be 20 years from initial filing date
as of 1995 - but this is an older patent)
Here's the Unisys position:
http://www.unisys.com/LeadStory/lzwfaq.html
(no mention of the date)
Cheers,
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ot;subset distribution" of
Debian - it will take a long time to pull together. But I strongly
believe that this is a model Debian should encourage.
The Debian distribution "proper" may never have more market share than
the commercial distributions such as Red Hat, Caldera, and SuSe.
However, it is entirely possible that derivative subset distributions
of Debian could dominate the Linux marketplace (especially given the
technical superiority of Debian).
Cheers,
- Jim
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Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 11:10:39PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote:
>
> > - targetted towards desktop use only, no server apps, just a few games
> >
> > - minimal size - optimized for installation via 28.8k modem via FTP,
&g
Drake Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 1 May 1998, Jim Pick wrote:
>
> > I'd like to see more people announce that they want to develop their
> > own "subset" Linux distributions based on Debian. I'd be willing to
> > collaborate on to
l find it to be much more relaxed and enjoyable.
This project is infamous for letting people "burn out" unnecessarily.
Cheers,
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comes along). MTA choices are easy, because there is
very little user-visible stuff involved. The choice of a single MUA
will be much more contentious.
Cheers,
- Jim
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John Labovitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > The whole exim package is about 500k, which only takes 5 minutes or so
> > to download via modem - so I'd probably stick with that (unless
> > something better comes alo
> > What news servers besides slrn support reading news directly from the news
> > spool w/o a news server?
>
> tin (rather than tin -r or rtin).
Gnus (in emacs).
Cheers,
- Jim
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strcitions,
available time restrictions, connection logging, interface binding, etc.
Sure some daemons already sport those options, but not all do and if a
standard is to be chosen it should be safer one. If you know the service
well enough to configure it you probably also know how to disable the
xi
le
sendmail you can't go any farther. Whether Debian should work on making
this possible too or not, I can't say.
Jim.
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RH releases updated install discs periodically. I haven't had any hardware
issues with them so I never compared the contents of the discs but I would
assume that they update the kernels with each update release.
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x27;gnome' metapackage and have all of Gnome be gone. If there was an easy
way to do that I doubt anyone would care what the default choice was.
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