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| the infrastructure and switching to NM, though.
d-i doesn't use ifupdown, it uses netcfg.
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IN be much simpler? As a bonus, it makes it a) possible to
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libraries your binary depends on, without having to pull apart the
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ke it clear, what you want is a way for a package (libA) to
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with pkg-config and unless you can convince me what the use case is and
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| a dependency on initscripts (>= 2.88dsf-13.3). More information is
| available here:
Yay, this is great news. I'll be updating systemd to depend on the new
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| without it.
This is not about making apt essential, it's about tightening the
dependencies apt already have. It will not make any difference
whatsoever to whether apt's installed on a given system or not.
Re
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ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS = -I m4 too in the top level Makefile.am if you're using
automake, though.
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| On Sat, 14 May 2011, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > ]] Kurt Roeckx
| > | On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 04:55:01PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
| > | > Packages using /etc
| > | > /etc/adjtime
| > |
| > | That file should probably not be in
l likely turn it off once we have a stable release that
supports SRV records.)
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| > Yeah, this is a bit bad. It seems neither git nor svn supports SRV
| > records so I've set up proxying of svn and git for now. (That «for
| > now» means I'll likely turn it off once we have a stable release that
| > supports
glier. They're done to avoid cyclic
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| http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-glibc/glibc-package/
Yeah, wsvn isn't enabled yet.
| svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-glibc/glibc-package/
This works just fine for me.
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| On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:27:42AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > ]] "Bernhard R. Link"
| > | With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth
| > | and understanding that after such a big transition it can be
| > | annoying to have
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| Is there a list of these known issues?
Sure, it's in the topic of #alioth: http://titanpad.com/yyhfwA9Pyr
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| On 05/26/2011 07:54 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > ]] Scott Kitterman
| >
| > | Was there some discussion of this with Alioth users before it got
| > | changed?
| >
| > No.
| >
| > And while I apologise for the problems we've had with the m
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| On the other hand there are all these packages in stable with broken
| Vcs fields now. Still not nice but assuming that most contributions
| will be based on what's in unstable that might be bearable.
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| Can the SVN ones be similarly fixed; e.g.
| http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/insighttoolkit.html
wsvn is already on the list of stuff still to fix as listed on
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| Tollef Fog Heen writes:
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| > ]] Ben Finney
| >
| > | Neither the VCS repository link nor the VCS browse link work for
| > | http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/comixcursors.html>.
| >
| > These have been fixed now.
|
| Not for me. The VCS repository link j
int/comixcursors/comixcursors.debian/
> curl -i
> http://anonscm.debian.org/bzr/collab-maint/comixcursors/comixcursors.debian/
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
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| > [various URLs have been fixed]
|
| http://pkg-java.alioth.debian.org/ has a link to
| http://git.debian.org/?s=pkg-java .
Fixed now. It seems like the search is quite slow, I'm not entirely
sure why that is
architecture
| means, by definition, that the software is not of sufficient quality for
| Debian. End of.
Seems like it's never built on mips, so an FTBFS on mips isn't RC per
se, it's an important bug. (I think the bug is RC for other reasons
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which are costly to regenerate or download. Maybe for data files such
as the flightgear terrain and planes somebody posted about the other
day?
| - Only remove the file on package purge. Call it the ucf use case.
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| systems, cgroups, is optional in systemd.
TTBOMK, cgroups are not optional.
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| return 0;
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hmm, ok. I suspect it will work much less well without cgroup support
even so, and in general upstream's not interested in supporting
non-linux even if you could make it limp along.
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The default unit systemd starts at bootup can be overridden with the
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I guess that might explain why some things were started in the wrong
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st of the world is obsolete anyway...
Then we patch it or work around it somehow.
I'm not arguing for dropping kfreebsd, and I would like some of the
kFreeBSD porters to speak up with suggestions on how to handle the
situation best for them. After all, it's they who have to live with
whate
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| Just for the record: Hurd is still in unstable and has been there for a
| while, and is considered as a candidate for wheezy.
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| > | The main issue I have with dropping kFreeBSD & HURD would be (apart from
| > | losing two platforms I use - even if for fun only; I don't want to use a
| > | distribution that doesn't allow me to have as much fun as
unrecoverable. If you run "kill -11 1" then you get the
| above in syslog.
|
| But it does result in a system that doesn't work properly.
Well, yes. If init crashes, stuff generally don't work that well
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| Also, I've installed systemd on my laptop and it logs almost nothing
| to the console ("verbose" on the kernel command line does not help).
try doing systemd.log_level=debug as documented in the man page?
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p* systemd-logger*systemd-remount-api-vfs*
systemd-update-utmp*
systemd-detect-virt*systemd-modules-load* systemd-reply-password*
systemd-user-sessions*
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Really, it's not that hard coded.
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really doesn't cope when you
swap out more than double the amount of memory; kswapd then starts to
consume large amounts of CPU time. FreeBSD doesn't.
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I wish people would stop saying stuff like this without actually testing
first. nbd-{client,server} works fine with systemd already, and from
looking at the init scripts there's absolutely nothing that stops it
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| On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 07:31:59AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > | Also, I've installed systemd on my laptop and it logs almost nothing
| > | to the console ("verbose" on the kernel command line does not help).
| >
| >
rt=/usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
should do what you want.
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| script.
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s have
pointed out, systemd uses sysvinit scripts just fine.
| If you think your comparison is suitable, then are you suggesting we do
| something as difficult as moving from .deb format to .rpm?
It'd be like moving from .deb to a format supporting .deb and .rpm, not
dropping the old suppor
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| On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 02:59:09PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
| > | How hard can it be to
| > | support both sysvinit and systemd? It's just two little files to
| > | maintain instead of one. We also have/had both .menu and .desktop
| > | files. Sure, th
will be «systemctl mask foo.service» once somebody gets around to
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| communication channel is used.
A well-behaved double-forking daemon doesn't do the second fork until
it's ready to serve requests.
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| Right. I think it can live in my git for a few weeks. My alioth
| account name is "iwj".
I've added you to the alioth project now.
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It approximately doubles the amount of «architectures».
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| Oh, thanks. (I infer that PHP has a non-GPL-compatible licence.)
No, it just has modules that links against OpenSSL.
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| average build time by ~5%.
About 14 on a 2x6-core Intel Xeon X5650 (2.67GHz) (with HT), lots of
memory, fast disks.
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| The VCS browser link for ‘python-coverage’ used to work before the
| changes this year. Now it leads to a 404 response.
|
|
http://bzr.debian.org/loggerhead/collab-maint/python-coverage/python-coverage.debian/>
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e a DSA machine.)
Thanks a lot to Jan Ingvoldstad and Domainnameshop.com for giving me
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| The ones you mentioned on IRC were sparc and powerpc. PowerPC is
| getting an extra debian.net porterbox as we speak, this one being a quad
| 2.5GHz G5 with 6G memory and 500G disk. (It'll run a buildbot for
| Varnish so it won't be a DSA machine.)
The machine i
consist of
any significant creative effort.
I'm also unable to reproduce your bug.
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challenge
response mode, which explains why I couldn't reproduce your issue.
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ds to me like perl should have a strict (= ${Source:version})
dependency on perl-modules and nothing should ever depend on
perl-modules, but I don't know if this has been considered and what the
possible downsides are?
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n/$triplet-pkg-config to /usr/share/pkg-config-crosswrapper which
will then DTRT. That's the idea at least, I haven't actually tested
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| script. Then whatever logic the script may have for detecting the
| "not pkg-config at all" case, will do the right thing for the cross
| case too.
Sounds like AC_PATH_TOOL should do this when you're cross-compiling,
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| > ]] Miles Bader
| > |When cross-compiling, there shouldn't be any default fallback for
| > |pkg-config if a cross-pkg-config (${ARCH}-pkg-config) isn't found;
| > |the current default behavior is more harmful th
usr/lib//pkgconfig/.pc is correct.
pkg-config 0.26-1 and newer looks there by default, so you probably want
to either depend on that version or newer or add a Breaks against older
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$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_MULTIARCH) at build time, as you can see
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3.0 (quilt) has bugs or
unintended features feel free to make a 3.1 (quilt) or 4.0 (quilt), but
don't break the beast we have gotten to know (if not love).
Could we please have the old behaviour back?
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]] Raphael Hertzog
| On Fri, 23 Sep 2011, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > Could we please have the old behaviour back?
|
| No, it's a bit late to request this. Before doing this change, we had the
| discussion here on debian-devel and it was relatively consensual:
| http://lists.debian.or
put much weight on the «it should be simple to hack on packages
and VCSes make it hard» argument. IME, there are many more people who
know how to drive git than there are people who know how to usefully
hack on Debian packages.
git used to be hard to use back in the olden days, but it isn'
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| * Tollef Fog Heen [110924 16:16]:
| > I find reviewing what's changed between two arbitrary versions in git
| > much easier than doing the same with debian source packages, so I think
| > it's pretty clear this is a matter of preference.
preferred source
| format. :-P
That is a strawman if I ever saw one. :-)
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on postfix processing (only stall local delivery).
How does having /usr on a separate file system help with this? I could
understand if you'd put /var on a separate file system, but /usr won't
help you here.
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has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that
doesn't work so well when systemd uses newer kernel interfaces.
Apart from «don't use new kernel interfaces» (something that upstream
won't do, ditto for adding workarounds fro old kernels), I don&
]] Alessandro Ghedini
> On lun, dic 01, 2014 at 11:18:19 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > > > Is this intentional, or is that a bug in either gnutls, curl, or the
> > > > software
> > > > using these libraries?
> > >
> > > AFA
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> Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: curl and certificate verification in jessie"):
> > No, it doesn't necessarily. As dkg points out, I can no longer say
> > «this service should have this particular cert». This makes us
> > vulnerable to compromi
ot clear how
> to do it safely or sanely.
For curl, it sounds like a simple curl_set_option(CURL_SSL_EE_CERT,…)
call or similar would make sense and then expose that to the command
line too. If I do curl --tls-ee-certs=somefile.crt https://www…, I
probably don't care if somefile.crt ha
path, I think making sure ntop's mentioned in
ntopng's description and just removing ntop would make sense.
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> On Thu, 2015-04-23 at 08:12 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > ]] Paul Wise
> >
> > > Also accept contributions via email or git request-pull.
> >
> > How do I set up a service to accept git request-pull pull requests into
> >
s for the created guests.
Does this do anything qemu-img does not?
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> That would mean changing local code to _both_ handle en* and eth*,
> which is (a) a surprise and (b) unsatisfying in _my_ personal opinion.
By en*, you mean emN, enN, pXpY all, right?
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e installed and any mismatches gets fixed
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y, and worry about
> getting your key added to the WoT later). Explaining how to do that can
> be done in a fairly short web page.
You mean, apart from telling it to use sha256 for sigs, etc? IIRC, the
defaults for GPG aren't very appropriate either.
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them (and possibly ship the pinning info in git/a supporting
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