Re: Bug#305228: ITP: libxsd-java -- the Sun XML Datatypes Library

2005-04-18 Thread Eric
cense (but I'm not a license specialist). Of course, I stay at your disposition for beta testing of your package. Hope this helps, Eric > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: libxsd-java > V

Re: [WARNING](sparc): (not an april fool's joke) libstdc++2.10 2.95.2-8 is broken on sparc

2000-04-01 Thread eric
Darn, I wish you'd sent this sooner. Caught me on three sparc systems. I downgraded to the prior version and things seem ok now. Ben Collins wrote: > > Please do not install this package, but wait for the next version > (presumably 2.95.2-9). If you install this, apt-get

Re: ITO: zope-popyda, python-popy

2001-01-02 Thread eric
hink that PoPy and ZPoPyDA would still be some nice software even if packaged with rpm. As regards the french debian developers, their unhappiness doesn't come from the lack of upstreaming but from Federico's response to them... I'm sorry to have to post this here, but enough is enou

uploading to stable and unstable at once

2005-10-19 Thread Eric
s_0.8-1sarge.dsc: old version (0.8-1) in unstable <= new version (0.8-1sarge) targeted at proposed-updates. Rejected: scsitools_0.8-1sarge.dsc: old version (0.8-1) in testing <= new version (0.8-1sarge) targeted at proposed-updates. Regards. E.D. PS: please cc: me as I'm not reading deb

Fairfield Blowout

2004-10-06 Thread Eric
Stay at any fairfield resort for as low as 85 dollars a night. I have an ownership with one million points. I cant use them all Let me know where you want to stay. 727-571-4298 ERIC Please Paste following link to Un-subscribe : http://usvad.net/newsletter2/maillist/[EMAIL

Belle année de la part de l'équipe 12H07

2023-01-02 Thread eric
Bonjour, Le spécialiste du marketing opération pour les marchés IT et RH, vous souhaite un bon cru pour cette nouvelle années 2023. Vous retrouverez sur notre site, la totalité de nos offres en bases de données btob (avec actuellement une remise), nos webinaires commerciaux et emailing pour vend

Bug#278128: ITP: tomboy -- Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Linux and Unix.

2004-10-24 Thread Eric Gaumer
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: tomboy Version : 0.2.2 Upstream Author : beatniksoftware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/ * License : LGPL Description : Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Lin

Re: Transitioning to Mozilla Firefox 1.0PR

2004-10-24 Thread Eric Dorland
oing to upload 0.10.1-1.0PR1 to unstable unless someone come up with compelling reasons not to. If I can't get it into sarge then I will certainly make a 0.9.3 release to address it's issues. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C

Re: SourceForge.net PR-Web Upgrade Notice.

2004-10-26 Thread Eric Dorland
nux was why sf went to Fedora, what makes you think so? -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s++: a-- C+++ UL+++ P++ L++ E++ W++

Bug#280324: ITP: freemind -- A Java Program for creating and viewing Mindmaps

2004-11-08 Thread Eric Lavarde
eloper, going through the documentation and the process of becoming one. Cheers, Eric -- System Information: Debian Release: 3.1 APT prefers testing APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.4.27-1-k7 Locale: LANG=en_IE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_IE.UTF-8

Re: Transitioning to Mozilla Firefox 1.0PR

2004-11-09 Thread Eric Dorland
irefox 1.0) > > Also, please check the contents of the installed-chrome list e.g. > debian/50xx-locale and sync it with the actual contents of the jar > files, as there have been some changes recently, at least in the de > locale package. > > The other two (eu and tr) should

Re: Bug#280324: ITP: freemind -- A Java Program for creating and viewing Mindmaps

2004-11-10 Thread Eric Lavarde
Hi, hope this is OK to reply-to-all in such cases... Hilko Bengen wrote: Eric Lavarde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: the package does already exist actually (see http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FreeMind_on_Linux for details), I'm the maintainer of the package for the FreeM

Re: mozilla-firefox-locale package with all language translations

2004-11-12 Thread Eric Dorland
mozilla supports the -UIlocale and > -contentLocale we can use on firefox to do the trick... Yes it does, that's where I stole the idea/code from :) -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8EC

Re: SVG icons

2004-12-08 Thread Eric Lavarde
at: SVG OK, PNG not. - free: SVG and PNG OK. To summarize, I think recommending SVG would require a change to the policy. Cheers, Eric > Le mardi 07 décembre 2004 à 23:51 -0500, James A. Treacy a écrit : >> SVG use is increasing and I have seen nothing in Debian about how they >&

Re: GtkMozEmbed with Firefox not Mozilla

2005-01-02 Thread Eric Dorland
es why bother? And I can't think of any. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s++: a-- C+++ UL+++ P++ L++ E++ W++ N+ o K-

Re: GtkMozEmbed with Firefox not Mozilla

2005-01-02 Thread Eric Dorland
* William Ballard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:55:42PM -0500, Eric Dorland wrote: > > And what would the advantage be over using mozilla? The gecko engine > > is the same, in fact mozilla tends to have a newer gecko engine than > > firefox. I mean th

Re: GtkMozEmbed with Firefox not Mozilla

2005-01-03 Thread Eric Dorland
my link suggest apparently there exists an rpm for > gtkmozembed-firefox so somebody else at least is doing it > > -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE B

Re: GtkMozEmbed with Firefox not Mozilla

2005-01-03 Thread Eric Dorland
* William Ballard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 12:08:03PM -0500, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * William Ballard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 08:44:05AM +0100, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > > > mozilla-dev depends on mo

Re: scripts to download porn in Debian?

2005-02-02 Thread Eric Dorland
e of hardcore pictures is obviously not acceptable, [snip] It is not at all obvious in fact. The bible and the anarchist FAQ have probably caused more direct damage to the world. Please don't project your morality on the project. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabb

Re: Who could be able to help SW vendors to support Debian?

2005-02-03 Thread Eric Lavarde
is probably best in these aspects than some other platforms starting with W. Probably some training to understand how Debian is working and structured might just be what they need. Cheers, Eric Tim Cutts wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:37:27PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: Would any people a

Re: Bug#294990: ITP: bontmia -- backup over network to multiple incremental archives

2005-02-12 Thread Eric Dorland
backups should be stored/kept. For example it's > possible > to keep the daily snapshots of the last 14 days, but also keep one > snapshot per month of the last 12 months. The used network bandwidth can > also be limited to avoid affecting production systems. -- Eric Dorland <[

Re: pwc-source headed for unstable this weekend

2005-02-17 Thread Eric Lavarde
2.6.10-1-k7). So I welcome pwc! Eric sean finney wrote: i've been using this new pwc driver for a while now and have not had any problems with it, tested on i386 and amd64 boxen. so, after looking over the latest version, assuming there are no new issues i'll plan on uploading the pwc-s

Bug#295824: ITP: kxstitch -- cross-stitch pattern creator and editor for KDE

2005-02-18 Thread eric pareja
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: eric pareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: kxstitch Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Stephen Allewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://kxstitch.sourceforge.net * License : GPL Description :

Re: pwc-source headed for unstable this weekend

2005-02-18 Thread Eric Lavarde
uot;out-of-tree kernel modules" which seems to be exactly what I need. Thanks, Eric Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 09:08:11PM +0100, Eric Lavarde wrote: pwc: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. i'

Re: dh_movefiles, tar vs. mv

2005-02-23 Thread Eric Dorland
ete tarball has been extracted). Uhh, who cares? dh_movefiles has been superseded by dh_install. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GC

Re: dh_movefiles, tar vs. mv

2005-02-25 Thread Eric Dorland
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > * Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> dh_movefiles internally uses tar to move file contents. I'm not sure why > >> it doe

Problems with - and ' in some man-pages

2005-02-26 Thread Eric Lavarde
w if it's a problem of the manpage system or of the manpage writers, and how the writers could circumvent/solve the problem. And this information would be useful before I start filing bugs, or!? Thanks for any help, Eric -- Gewalt ist die letzte Zuflucht der Inkompetenz. Violenc

Re: Problems with - and ' in some man-pages

2005-02-26 Thread Eric Lavarde
d have removed the condition alltogether) You made my day! :-) Eric Adeodato Simà wrote: * Eric Lavarde [Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:04:45 +0100]: I'm pretty sure, it's somehow due to the fact that I have set LANG=en_IE.UTF-8 (unicode being important of course). Nevertheless, I don't kno

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-07 Thread Eric Dorland
y moves between systems > where my userid might differ? > > o Other issues? > > It would be very interesting to hear how others manage this... > > Kind regards, > David > > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/234134 > > -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: d-i has 99% support for filesystem labels

2005-03-14 Thread Eric Lavarde
eally strange error messages. It took me quite a while to figure out the problem, so here is the message: labels do only properly work at install time, if no other system is using them as well. (and, no, I didn't think about posting a bug, but I can do. Against which package actually?) Th

approx (was Re: apt-proxy)

2005-11-14 Thread Eric Cooper
rs) in the cache, just the downloaded files themselves. Apt-cacher has more flexibility in name mapping, and can integrate (or not) with an existing webserver. Is that a fair comparison? -- Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a s

Re: cdbs borked by new version of make

2005-12-11 Thread Eric Dorland
has CDBS packages should try rebuilding them, and > if you can patch the brokenness, submit the patch to bug 342892. Phew. Thanks for dropping this note. The package I was working on suddenly stopped building yesterday and I'd thought I'd lost my mind. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL P

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-19 Thread Eric Dorland
7;s no fun creating new top-level directories, but moving it under /lib doesn't really make sense. It more surprising and less consistent to have it under /lib. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-22 Thread Eric Dorland
hing called nvi instead of vim by default, they shake their heads and disbelief and next words out of their mouths either make fun of Debian, or make fun of me (*snif*). Now we don't necessarily have to pander to these people, but this change is the sort of thing that will help the change

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-06 Thread Eric Dorland
of > launchpad which is better. Again, I think it would do a good job keeping > everything organized an efficient. > Cheers, > Frans AFAIK Launchpad is not free software, so it's not going to hap

Re: Bug#348069: ITP: firefox-bidiui -- Enable Firefox user interface BiDi options by default

2006-01-14 Thread Eric Dorland
systems with Hebrew users but with non-Hebrew default locale. > . > BiDi options are based on the user's locale. This package sets Firefox > bidi.browser.ui option to true. This seems a crazy thing to have an entire package for. Let's see if we can come up with a better solution.

Re: Does it sometimes happen that people send mails before NMU ?

2006-01-15 Thread Eric Dorland
otify you through the BTS and/or the bugs were open for less than a week, then let the chastisement commence! -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3

Re: new mplayer 1.0pre7try2 package

2006-01-16 Thread Eric Dorland
the line > "deb http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge ./" > > to /etc/apt/source.list . This has probably been covered ad nauseum, but where do we stand in respect to getting mplayer in Debian? -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTE

when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-16 Thread Eric Cooper
I saw today that the python-minimal package in unstable is tagged as Essential (and currently pulls in python2.3). According to policy, this is supposed to happen only after discussion on debian-devel and consensus is reached, but I couldn't find that discussion in the list archives. --

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-09 Thread Eric Dorland
people sent in a vote. > Extremists are a minority but a very lound minority as usual which makes > them often win. > > Dictorship of Minorities shall be opposed. If I minority are the only ones that vote, they get to set the direction of the project. No sense bitching about that, j

Re: question on hurd-i386 Debian architecture

2006-03-13 Thread Eric Cooper
in-source maintainer(s) will also join the party. -- Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: where aclocal? (for a dpkg build)

1997-06-27 Thread Eric Delaunay
as well to build dpkg. autoconf & libtool are in unstable, and gettext is in experimental. Bye. -- Eric Delaunay | "La guerre justifie l'existence des militaires. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | En les supprimant." Henri Jeanson (1900-1970) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM

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1997-12-28 Thread Eric Lewis
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1997-12-29 Thread Eric Lewis
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1997-12-29 Thread Eric Lewis
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Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Eric Delaunay
nice in a networked environment. Then, and only then, you will run dselect to install wanted packages. Regards. -- Eric Delaunay | "La guerre justifie l'existence des militaires. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | En les supprimant." Henri Jeanson (1900-1970) -- To UNSUBSCRIB

Re: kernel make install

1998-05-07 Thread Eric Leblanc
On Thu, May 07, 1998 at 08:10:16AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has this been fixed for hamm? ( Or have I missed something here?) I use the kernel-package .deb to make custom kernels. It is available for bo and hamm. It makes a .deb that you can install with dpkg -i. I quot. "This package

Re: first package

1998-06-03 Thread Eric Leblanc
e letters, digits (0-9), plus (+) or minus (-) signs, and periods (.). -- Eric Leblanc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Be happy use GNU/Linux As for the M$ pundits claim that the problems result from an incorrect setup/configuration: they are perfectly correct, if you hadn't installed an M$ OS, th

Re: Why do we still have this on the distribution?

2005-04-08 Thread Eric Dorland
ceive any security support upstream, and neither the maintainer > or the security team are in a position to backport all fixes and correcte > all stuff in the older versions. (upstream does only support the most > recent version, which will be different about one month after the sarge >

advice needed on handling network port conflicts

2005-04-21 Thread Eric Cooper
e for them to coexist (just difficult in their default configurations). Any suggestions or policy pointers here would be appreciated. -- Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [repost] Policy for Scheme implementations supporting SRFI 22, also virtual packages

2005-05-21 Thread Eric Dorland
creation > of the virtual packages mentioned in the policy. I will wait a > few days before doing any more steps in this regard. Been a while since I've done anything Schemey, but this looks like a good proposal. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber:

Bug#310937: ITP: timps -- Transparent Instant Messaging Proxy Server

2005-05-26 Thread Eric Warmenhoven
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Eric Warmenhoven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: timps Version : 0.10 Upstream Author : Adam Fritzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.zigamorph.net/timps/ * License : GPL2 Description :

Re: Linda warnings

2005-05-29 Thread Eric Dorland
ge -timeout 10 `fan` listed in a menu > > > file does not exist. > > Those seem pretty legitimate, although there's an argument to be made > that menu should provide a syntax for this type of status display, so > individual apps don't have to do it by hand. (Som

Re: Linda warnings

2005-05-29 Thread Eric Dorland
* Eric Dorland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I don't think a dependency on automake and autoconf are almost always > bad ideas. It makes the build more unpredictable, which is generally a > bad thing. You should just run automake and/or autoconf on the > unpacked source and ship i

Re: Linda warnings

2005-05-29 Thread Eric Dorland
* Roberto C. Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 06:49:22PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Eric Dorland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I don't think a dependency on automake and autoconf are almost always > > > bad ideas. It makes the bu

Re: Linda warnings

2005-05-29 Thread Eric Dorland
* Roberto C. Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 06:40:26PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > I don't think a dependency on automake and autoconf are almost always > > bad ideas. It makes the build more unpredictable, which is generally a >

Re: Linda warnings

2005-05-30 Thread Eric Dorland
* Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > * Eric Dorland > > [Substituting your fixed sentence in the text below] > > | I think a build-dependency on automake and autoconf is almost always > | a bad idea. It makes the build more unpredictable, which is > | generally a

Re: Linda warnings

2005-05-30 Thread Eric Dorland
* Robert Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 03:33 -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > Because we want to test for buildability. We want to make it possible > > > to change any part of th

Re: Linda warnings

2005-05-30 Thread Eric Dorland
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 10:30:56AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Robert Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > So either you don't patch the package, or you be willing to require the > > > relevant auto* be in

Re: Linda warnings

2005-05-30 Thread Eric Dorland
* Philipp Kern ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eric Dorland wrote: > > Yes, they are necessary tools for developers. But nearly ever project > > I've ever seen ships the files generated from the auto* tools. > >

Re: hijacking libhtml-mason-perl

2005-06-08 Thread Eric Dorland
I send > this email, asking whether or not it would be acceptable for me to > hijack the abandoned libhtml-mason-perl package. > > Any feedback/advise would be appreciated. I'm pretty interested in this package as well, and I'm willing to sponsor you. -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL

Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-13 Thread Eric Dorland
how Ubuntu is handling this (not to fan the flames, just to get a different perspective). -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
* Julien BLACHE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Now, the Mozilla Foundation is willing to give us permission to use > > the marks, but only to Debian specifically. To me, this feels like a > > violation (at least in spiri

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
ity patch or fix a bug > > crosses the border. It's not like if we were forking their codebase. > > We have permission to apply security patches and fix bugs without > changing the name. We (as in Debian) may have the permission, but that permission does not flow downstream.

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
So if we accept this > >exception for software coming in, why can't we accept this same exception > >for software derived from our distribution? > > This is basically our position. I include below, for reference, an email > I sent to Eric 24 hours ago in response to his

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
* Florian Weimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > * Eric Dorland: > > > 1. Completely ignore their Trademark Policy document and let MoFo come > > to us if they're not happy with our use of the marks. > > This is the policy we have adopted with PHP, Apache and > si

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
DFSG#4: [in terms of > distributing software,] Debian will not accept or exercise rights which > cannot be granted to Debian's users. Proposed extension? Is this actually been on the table before? -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 102

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) wrote: > Eric Dorland wrote: > >Now, the Mozilla Foundation is willing to give us permission to use > >the marks, but only to Debian specifically. To me, this feels like a > >violation (at least in spirit) of DFSG #8. > > "

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
* Adrian von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tuesday 14 June 2005 18.21, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
* Julien BLACHE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> The Debian Way (tm) would be to drop mozilla, firefox and thunderbird > >> from Debian -- there's no reason what works with the FSF can't work > >> with t

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
efox seems to me like a good idea in the first > place) The difference is we have perhaps compromised our principles to keep calling it Firefox. BTW, don't be fooled into thinking we'll be able to call it debian-firefox. If we have to rename it will not be able to include the string &

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
it? I don't think #4 should be used to bypass another one of the guidelines. Now in the Mozilla case we're not talking about software licenses, we're talking about trademarks, which makes things murkier. But the principles should still apply. We're being offered a Debian specifi

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
gt; And *then* Debian will be left without a mozilla-compatible web > > browser, not without Mozilla itself. > > There's still Galeon and a couple of others, based on Gecko. Should be > enough. Julien, I'm not going to remove Firefox from the distro over this issue. Let it go, it

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
task easier to derived distributions. We're losing sight of the key issue here. We *cannot* use their trademark under their current trademark policy. They are offering us a deal that is Debian specific to allow use to use the marks. Can we accept such a deal as a project? Does the DFSG allow us t

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
s incorrect. BTW, any Ubuntu developers care to comment? I'm interested in second opinions and how you guys are handling this situation? Did you accept an arrangement with MoFo? -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 993

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
* Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > El mar, 14-06-2005 a las 15:35 -0400, Eric Dorland escribió: > > > We're losing sight of the key issue here. We *cannot* use their > > trademark under their current trademark policy. They are offering us a > > de

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
must call it (for instance) > > IceWeasel, and yes, any person downstream from us can call it > > anything but Firefox or Mozilla or Mozilla Firefox. > > BTW, we should remove any gecko based browser too. After all they > depend in MOZILLA-browser. Not only firefox is going to b

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
* Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > El mar, 14-06-2005 a las 15:12 -0400, Eric Dorland escribió: > [...] > > > Let's say we call it mozilla-firefox (assuming we are allowed to in the > > > first place) and downstream (making some modifications) is

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Eric Dorland
* Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Jun 15, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I never claimed the renaming would not be confusing and > > painful. Sometimes we have to do painful things because they're the > > right thing to do. I thi

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 03:05:20PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Adrian von Bidder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > As I understand DSFG 8, this covers only the case that the firefox > > > package > > > distrib

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Jun 15, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It's an important part in evaluating the balance between the priorities > > > of our users and free software... > > And where do we strike t

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:10:06AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 03:05:20PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > Come on, that can't possibl

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
mment about this issue. I *hate* > legal discussions, licenses nitpicking and haircutting. I understand > that some people enjoy this and I even understand we need some people > to do so. But I feel there are enough *real* issues and we probably > should not begin to invent new one

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:16:18AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I'm here to build the best free OS, not to collect the most liberal > > > trademarks. If a trademark l

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
discussion. Now, that that is out of the way, can we call it Firefox? -- Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s++: a-- C+++ UL+++

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 03:26:11PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > People seem to be using DFSG 4 as a justification for keeping the > > name, but I believe that is flawed. DFSG 4 allows for a license to say > > "if you meet

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Le mardi 14 juin 2005 à 15:27 -0400, Eric Dorland a écrit : > > > > And *then* Debian will be left without a mozilla-compatible web > > > > browser, not without Mozilla itself. > > > > > > There's s

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
, because if it did, the > trademark's owner would lose his or her trademark by trying to abide by > our policy. Thus, it is my opinion that it should not apply. This simply isn't true. There are examples of OSS projects granting trademarks based on test suites and specifications

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
the past (TrustedDebian -> Adamantix) > > You're free to make /any/ modifications to firefox, as long as you > either rename it to something else or get permission to call it firefox. > Doesn't sound non-free to me. Please explain to me why it's alright to get special p

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 11:48:55AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Where possible, sure. But "principles" doesn't mean "the rules should be > > > exactl

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If we accept it, we've made a Debian-specific deal to distribute that > > software. Is that acceptable? I don't believe it is. > > What I've heard from the Mozi

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:07:16PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:16:18AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > * Marco d'Itri ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:23:19PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > The MoFo has made no statement that they would grant a trademark > > license to anyone would adhered to the same standards as Debian. If > > this were true (and hop

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > * Eric Dorland > > | BTW, any Ubuntu developers care to comment? I'm interested in second > | opinions and how you guys are handling this situation? Did you accept > | an arrangement with MoFo? > > We've been in tou

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-15 Thread Eric Dorland
What trademarks are you referring to? Already the Debian packages don't use any of the trademarked images and logos? > 1: As I'm sure you're aware, it's primarily a nod to TeX et al. and a > compromise so TeX could be distributed. > 2: Extra bonus points to whoever

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > All of MoFo trademarks that were not being used in a manner > > > consistent with trademark law[2] would have to be expunged from &g

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
when they were > modified that they potentially had to go to the Mozilla Foundation for a > license. That is correct, but (correct me if I'm wrong Gerv), but "change" would include such things as recompiling it. > Did I get the wrong end of the stick? -- Eric Dorland <

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Le jeudi 16 juin 2005 à 01:03 -0400, Eric Dorland a écrit : > > > The Mozilla Foundation have made many shows of good faith via Gervase in > > > this long running debate which he has continued to follow despite the > > >

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:03:52AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:07:16PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > Indeed the most pragmatic thing to d

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