Re: ppp/ip-up vs. network/if-up

2004-10-13 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wednesday 13 October 2004 08.30, Thomas Hood wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 23:28, Robert Collins wrote: > > Does it hook into ppp to handle persistent ppp connections? (i.e. > > adsl). > > I am not sure what you mean. > > The new ifupdown uses pppd's updetach option. Run with this option, > pp

Re: forwarding bugs to other packages

2004-10-18 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Monday 18 October 2004 09.54, Brian May wrote: > Hello, > > I have a number of bugs reported against my packages which are > actually (already reported) bugs in other packages. Reading the rest of the thread, I conclude that adding an explanation to the bug and tagging it wontfix is probably t

Re: an idea for next generation APT archive caching

2004-10-20 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 12.11, martin f krafft wrote: > 2. apt-cacher: > Also a very nice concept, I have found it rather unusable. Clients > would time out as the streaming does not work reliably. Also, > after using it for a day or two, I found 30 or more Perl zombies > on the syste

Re: membership and question

2004-10-20 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 14.05, Samuel Ferrer wrote: > Hi guys > > I am very interested in the Debian project. great! > - How to install the developer package and thus be abe to use the "make" Such user questions are properly addressed at the debian-user mailing list instead of the develope

Re: Pre-linux Windows program - was Re: bill gates Linux

2002-12-08 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 15:25, John Lines wrote: > Reading the thread on installation from Windows - one thing which might help > new Linux users would be a program which they ran from Windows before they > started, which would record all the things Windows knows about their system > which will be re

Re: What should go into "How Software Producers can distribute their products directly in .deb format"?

2002-12-10 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 02:38, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 10:29:38PM +0100, Aaron Isotton wrote: > > Hi, > > > > (sorry for the overlong subject). > > > > I originally sent this to debian-doc but I got no answers, so I > > thought I'd post it here too. > > Because debian-doc was b

Re: Database-specificisms considered harmful

2003-04-12 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Friday 11 April 2003 16:34, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > * Programs which access SQL databases should do so through > libgda2/unixodbc/???. > > ... assuming that we can reach some sort of consensus on which library > should be used..? Why is a consesus needed? I agree with you that having each p

Re: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages

2003-04-12 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Friday 11 April 2003 19:52, Joe Nahmias wrote: > Will these packages will still be available through archive.d.o or will > they be purged from there as well? I guess you thought about http://snapshot.debian.net/ instead of archive? s.d.n main page explicitely says that removed pkgs will be ret

Re: Work-needing packages report for Apr 11, 2003

2003-04-13 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Saturday 12 April 2003 15:34, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 10:57:34PM +0200, Lars Bahner wrote: > > pptp-linux > > AIUI, you have to rebuild your kernel with a patch, and the version of > the patch in the archive doesn't work on recent kernels. So I doubt > many people will

Re: Fwd: ITP: oscommerce -- Online shop e-commerce solution with PHP/MySQL

2003-04-13 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Saturday 12 April 2003 18:57, Bruno David Rodrigues wrote: > - Mensagem Reenviada de [EMAIL PROTECTED] - > With no restrictions or special requirements, osCommerce is able > to run on any PHP3 or PHP4 enabled web server, on any environment > that PHP and MySQL supports, which include

Re: Bug#189249: ITP: ddrescue -- Like dd, dd_rescue does copy data from one file or block device to another

2003-04-16 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wednesday 16 April 2003 11:11, Ayman Negm wrote: > Description : dd_rescue does copy data from one file or block device > to another I guess a better Description: would be 'dd clone which ignores read errors'. But I see in the dd man page: conv=KEYWORDS convert the

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-22 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Saturday 19 April 2003 20:32, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > b) The licensing information certainly ist misleading: The first line says >GPL 2, period. Then there's lengthy information for assigning copyright >of patches. After that, there is that funny "nothing ... shall be > interpreted to

Re: Don't remove Reiserfstools (Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian)

2003-04-22 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
Did you start a new thread on purpose? If not: please use a sensible mail program. Also, please use proper attribution lines when replying to mail. On Tuesday 22 April 2003 08:31, Jarno Elonen wrote: > Just because one small feature of a magnificent piece of software is > slightly annoying, does

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-04-29 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Tuesday 29 April 2003 16:40, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 04:32:37PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > * i486 guarantees a 32-bit external data bus (386SX has a 16-bit bus.). > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200304/msg02043.ht > >ml Not sure if ther

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wednesday 14 May 2003 16:05, Mark Brown wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:24:25PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > Usually this is controlled by the Content-Disposition: header. > > "Content-Disposition: inline" should be displayed inline; > > "Content-Disposition: attachment" will often be hidd

Bug#519583: ITP: opticalraytracer -- A Utility that analyzes systems of lenses.

2009-03-13 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder" -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: opticalraytracer Version : 1.3 Upstream Author : Paul Lutus * URL : http://www.arachnoid.com/Optical

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-24 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Svante, On 06/24/2014 07:57 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > I strongly recommend the systemd-must-die package to prevent systemd > components being installed when dist-upgrading without the user being > aware. I'd appreciate if you kept your anti-systemd rants off this list. T

Debian Changelogs - was: Re: Bug#756582: new syntax error when invoking "udevadm test" breaks installing/ upgrading

2014-07-31 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
trol system and use "git-dch --auto" to generate the changelog entry for the new version. Of course, this assumes you are writing sensible and useful git commit messages :). Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.o

Re: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing

2014-08-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
o be able to resolve the dependency problems. gcc-4.9 has been building since Wednesday but it's looking good. I hope to have the packages uploaded over the weekend. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `'

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
a farce and the result should not be adopted. We haven't even waited for the results of the GR. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75

Bug#680892: ITP: radeontop -- radeontop: Utility to show Radeon GPU utilization

2012-07-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz * Package name: radeontop Version : 0.5.4 Upstream Author : Lauri Kasanen * URL : https://github.com/clbr/radeontop * License : GPLv3 Programming Lang: C Description : radeontop

Bug#680899: ITP: fs-uae -- fs-uae: Amiga emulator based on the latest WinUAE emulation code with the focus on gaming

2012-07-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz * Package name: fs-uae Version : 1.2.1 Upstream Author : Frode Solheim * URL : http://fengestad.no/wp/fs-uae * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C++, Python Description : fs-uae: Amiga

Bug#686278: ITP: previous -- previous: NeXTcube/NeXTstation emulator

2012-08-30 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz * Package name: previous Version : svn Upstream Author : Gilles_Fétis * URL : http://previous.alternative-system.com * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C Description : previous

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-31 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
gement was utter crap. They basically killed every successful product they had (like the A500) and replaced them with ones that didn't sell well. Plus they were stupid enough to let a huge business deal with Sun break who wanted to license Amigas as low-end Unix workstations. Adrian -- To UN

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
e cgroups. Yes, systemd would break the non-Linux kernels, but we could use the units-to-sysV converter to solve this problem in a painless fashion. Adrian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Cont

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-31 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
sn't count, because this isn't something which affects end users. A valid argument in favor of OpenRC and against systemd is certainly that the former is platform-agnostic. But I think that the non-Linux ports of Debian aren't (yet) important enough to weigh strong enough in such decisions. Cheers, Adrian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120831200609.ga16...@physik.fu-berlin.de

Re: Bug#686447: ITP: zfs-linux -- The native Linux kernel port of the ZFS filesystem

2012-09-01 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
how it compares to the version of zfs available for the FreeBSD kernels feature-wise? Cheers, Adrian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-09-01 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
scripts with unit files are quite compelling in my opinion. I use systemd on my laptop with an SSD and within a kvm and have boot times down to 3 seconds. Also, systemctl and systemd-analyze are really nice. Adrian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-14 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
hy shouldn't I repeat past complaints others have made on previous posts. I don't know, but I think you shouldn't. Progress will happen anyways. I think your singling me out. My singling what? Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-14 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
binary data is actually *easier* to process. Everyone who has ever written a text parser themselves will agree. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-22 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
n in a BSD userland, after all. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: Debian launchd survey

2013-05-22 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 05/22/2013 05:51 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 09:15:03AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: What about launchd? Wouldn't it be possible to port that to Debian/kFreeBSD? It's designed to run in a BSD userland, after all. That doesn't seem like it wo

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-22 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
r the X.org/DRM developers or any developers of desktops like KDE, Enlightment or GNOME. Adrian * As you may know, systemd is developed by a large amount of contributors. > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - gl

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-22 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hat for being a good one! Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to de

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
e project which has the largest amount of contributors which was exactly my point. Adrian > [1] http://www.ohloh.net/p/systemd > [2] http://www.ohloh.net/p/openrc > [3] http://www.ohloh.net/p/upstart -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
? Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
other logging daemons which most of them I haven't even heard of before. It's a bit unfair to use these for statistics, they simply don't play any important role. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `&#

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-23 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
s of the original Unix concept weren't quite happy with the design and actually replaced Unix with something called Plan 9? Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.f

Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-28 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
eping addons up-to-date much easier and reduces maintaining efforts. As long as we're going with the latest ESR versions, I assume that most of the most popular addons will work when installed through the official upstream sources. Cheers, Adrian > [1] http://mozilla.debian.ne

Multi-Arch for plugin packages

2013-05-30 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
on of my gkrellm2-cpufreq now, but I haven't uploaded it yet. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 00

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-06-01 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
encies are running and starts them prior to starting sshd if necessary. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 00

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-06-01 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
be additionally taken care of which means I would spend time and efforts which I could spend on other, more important projects. What's the point in doing that work when, in the end, hardly anyone is using it? Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : De

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-06-01 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
should be started like that. If you need to have CUPS running in the background, idling, then you can just let systemd start it anytime you want with the proper configuration in its unit file. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-06-01 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 06/01/2013 04:48 PM, Marc Haber wrote: On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:42:33 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: What's the point in doing that work when, in the end, hardly anyone is using it? Freedom. It is not free to take away freedom just because too few people have chosen to exe

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-06-02 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
run the same OS on a supercomputer, a toaster, a smartphone and a space station. I want that toaster :D. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG:

Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant Was: mount point gets "(deleted)" / unable to unmount

2013-06-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
g bugs. We're working to get Mate into Debian [1-2], so you will be back on your beloved GNOME2 desktop in Debian Jessie and newer :). Adrian > [1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mate-common.html > [2] http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mate-doc-utils.html -- .''`. John

Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant Was: mount point gets "(deleted)" / unable to unmount

2013-06-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
ld have helped in finding and smashing RC bugs during the Wheezy freeze. In fact, many the RC bugs were related to Squeeze-to-Wheezy upgrade issues. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berl

Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant Was: mount point gets "(deleted)" / unable to unmount

2013-06-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
rade (just in debian; not upstream). So yeah, I've been also through some pain and don't just rant here. Do you have a link? It's not that we're not taking complaints seriously. If there was actually a bug report and it, indeed, wasn't fixed then you're right to

Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant Was: mount point gets "(deleted)" / unable to unmount

2013-06-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
bian has just chosen to stay with GNOME as the default desktop when performing the default installation as it has been like for quite some time. And, again, changing the default desktop is a no brainer: > update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/mate-session Adrian -- .'&#

Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant Was: mount point gets "(deleted)" / unable to unmount

2013-06-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
, I am deploying Debian in a large corporate environment myself so I would understand your claims if they were justified, but, alas they aren't. There is no need to be huffy and issue a "EOD" if you are unwilling to invest some time yourself and customize the configuration. D

cc65 in non-free

2013-06-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
as we all know this declares such software as non-free, see point i. in [2]. Yet, I am wondering, would it still be legal to upload such a software package to the non-free section? Cheers, Adrian > [1] http://www.cc65.org/index.php#Copyright > [2] http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.

Bug#714058: ITP: cc65 -- Cross compiler and toolchain for 6502-based systems

2013-06-25 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz * Package name: cc65 Version : 2.13.3 Upstream Author : Ullrich von Bassewitz * URL : http://www.cc65.org/ * License : zlib and non-free Programming Lang: C Description : Cross compiler

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-03 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
v2 only. That's a very big difference. I still don't get the point. Isn't there way more important stuff to do? Like these, for example: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ Or these: http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-04 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
f you want to express your opinion, please say something. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913

Re: Plan to release a gplv3 compliant debian-based release

2013-07-05 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
ng on LKML :). A GPLv3 only Debian distribution is, in my opinion, about as useful as lobotomy performed with a bazooka. I chuckled :D. And I fully agree. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Fre

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-13 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
risen a question here: How many people are actually using the kFreeBSD port. Are there any rough numbers? I have checked popcon for the kFreeBSD kernel image and it seems the numbers from popcon are very low [1]. Adrian > [1] http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=kfreebs

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-14 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
g else than Linux is just simply false. upstart is (or is going to use) the prctl Linux system call and therefore no longer compatible with non-Linux kernels. Adrian > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions#Respawning_user_jobs_and_PID_tracking -- .&#x

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-14 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
k enough skin just yet. Could you please leave the "fan base" accusations out of here? I am not a fan, I don't care about what init system we are using as long it's the best solution. David Kalnischkies, who couldn't care less about init systems^W^W"System and Ser

Re: openrc packaging status (Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports)

2013-07-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/15/2013 01:37 PM, heroxbd wrote: I can visualize that within two months we will have a off-the-shelf OpenRC package working with initscripts/sysvinit vanilla offering modern features like cgroups, at users' choice. Good, I'll take your word on that. Adrian -- .''

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
proved capabilities, performance, and behavior are enough of a benefit to be worth the trade-off of being essentially at the mercy of developers whose philosophies and attitudes I find so strongly objectionable. systemd has many independent developers and contributors. I don't t

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
SDs do not provide a full POSIX environment (missing "waitid(2)" for example)." Cheers, Adrian > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions#Disadvantages -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@d

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
nRC to be ever a viable alternative to systemd (or even upstart). It just lacks too much behind and would be a minor improvement over System V Init only. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin

Re: Systemd support in Debian packages: how to help

2013-07-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
update systemd in Debian? I am eagerly waiting to try one of the recent versions of systemd, especially since I am having trouble with remote filessystems which Lennart claims to have been remedied in later versions of systemd. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :&

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
vinit without fundamentally rewriting it. systemd uses many modern Linux kernel features and system calls which means you would have to use these features in a rewritten sysvinit as well to be able to provide the reliability and features of systemd which means you'd loose the portability agai

Re: Systemd support in Debian packages: how to help

2013-07-15 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/16/2013 01:03 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: Sorry that this takes a bit longer then expected, but packages based on v204 are in preparation and expect them soonish. Thanks for the update! Rock on! :) Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glau

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
A also has excellent support on their IRC channels. I have been able to solve any problem I had with it so far and in all cases it turned out to be a user error. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie U

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
. I understood it as a form of sarcasm. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
seless simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring these can be PITA when you don't have PA. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.o

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
ot; setups. Secondly, I am not seeing PA imposed onto anyone, it's just the default setup as it's the sensible choice for installation on a modern desktop. If you don't like it, uninstall it. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub.

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/17/2013 05:40 PM, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:58:49 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Some sound cards expose two dozens or more ... usually underdocumented, if documented at all, ... The Fedora people had a very nice screen shot of the ALSA mixer back then which

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
aggerating sometimes. At least he isn't swearing as bad as Linus [1] ;). And, really, you shouldn't take that too serious. Adrian > [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/13/132 -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `.

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/17/2013 09:26 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little more sophisticated than j

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
to start a flame war about bugs or unstable releases here. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
at there can be sound setups which are a little more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring these can be PITA when you don't have PA. That simply does not match my experience. Well, I am sorry if that's not the case for you, but it is obviously the case for the

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
chnologies whereas the developers behind Fedora are very often upstream developers from GNOME, X.Org or the Kernel and just need a playground for their projects. Adrian > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu#Releases -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian

Re: PulseAudio

2013-07-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
ument against PA. Nowadays, PA is very mature and useful and the majority of desktop users are using it without any problems, or, at least they're not raising their voices about problems. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debia

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
I don't even... Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
patch that people sent in. Just because an upstream project doesn't take your patches doesn't mean they don't like you but rather it should give you a hint to check whether your changes make sense. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian D

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/18/2013 02:28 PM, Simon McVittie wrote: On 18/07/13 12:12, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: And systemd has a graphical user interface? Yes, systemadm(1) in systemd-ui. It was recently split into a separate (upstream and Debian source) package. It's hardly comprehensive, but it e

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
which are very common nowadays on server farms. I have virtual machines running Debian unstable with systemd which boot in less than 4 seconds. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub.

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
rsion of upstart in Debian? Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- To UNS

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
p and neither of them has the systemd-sysv package installed which, AFAIK, is required for compatibility reasons only. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-19 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
users in the end, but it turns out that according to your line of arguments, Debian is primarily made to fuel the egos of its developers. Guess, I am in the wrong project then. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `&#

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-19 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/19/2013 06:57 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: sysvinit148865 99.83% The reason might be that systemd does not conflict with sysvinit :). Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-19 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
er again? 1/ Don't put words in my mouth which I never used. 2/ Try to write more useful things. Doing personal attacks doesn't help. Says the guy who posted this to back up his chain of arguments: > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_init_systems Adrian -- .&#x

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-19 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 07/19/2013 07:47 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 07/19/2013 06:57 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: sysvinit148865 99.83% The reason might be that systemd does not conflict with sysvinit :). So are we playing word games now or trying to solve a

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-19 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
13-07-04, but what happened!). Like several people pointed out before, the popcon entries for the Ubuntu upstart package pointed to Debian which at a particular time which resulted in wrong data being sent to popcon. The data that we have now is the actual data and it shows upstart isn't ve

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-08-23 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> them come running when I or an attacker calls. Honestly, that doesn't even make any sense. Again, a service which is not running is reducing the probability of an attack, not vice versa. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-08-23 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Aug 23, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James McCoy wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 04:42:15PM -0400, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> Imagine there is a vulnerability in SSH which has not been fixed >> yet for whatever reason. Having SSH run in this situation all the >>

Re: Nitpicking in the NEW queue.

2013-09-02 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
ts a package, there is a very good reason why he did so and there is certainly also a reasonable explanation that he provided. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik

Re: Submitting a package

2013-10-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
need feedback and help on that, you should resort to the mailing list and IRC channel of Debian Mentors. Cheers, Adrian > [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Fr

Re: Submitting a package

2013-10-18 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
uld resort to the mailing >> list and IRC channel of Debian Mentors. >> > > I noticed there was a #debian-dev channel on freenode that said invite > only. Is there another non-invite -dev channel? I don't know what #debian-dev on FreeNode is, but most of us are in #debian-devel

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-23 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
l the > package without using it? Uh, didn't you indirectly state above that it does? I thought you actually have seen some problems with systemd being installed without using it. Cheers, Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 10/24/2013 05:05 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Adrian wrote: >> >> Well, Debian is aiming for full systemd integration with Jessie, so >> there is that. > > Ummm, no. You and some others might be, but not Debian as a whole > AFAICS. Yes, I just read what

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
do not think it's a good idea to post such flame baits, both the one from Lennart as well as Patrick's answer, to the tech-ctte bug report. It's not really helping in making an unbiased decision, is it? I think enough has been said on the topic already and the committee should mayb

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-30 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
the logic to start and control a daemon through a single piece of C code rather than writing more-or-less the same bash script for every single daemon on your machine. Adrian > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/557177 > [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrep

Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-31 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 10/31/2013 03:04 PM, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 06:33:44 +0100 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> messed up custom code may end up rendering your whole system unusable >> if you are smart enough to mess up an rm command. Just have a look >> at this won

Re: New ksh/ksh93 package, half the size, ten times the features!!!!

2013-11-06 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
) package would be very welcome... If you want feedback, we'll need the source package as well. No one can solely work on a provided binary package. Please upload the package to mentors and I'll have a look at it. I already sponsored several previous uploads of ksh. Adrian -- .&#x

Re: New ksh/ksh93 package, half the size, ten times the features!!!!

2013-11-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
and easy, so you don't lose time messing around with FTP servers and such. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 000

Re: Arguments for tech-ctte (Was: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system)

2013-11-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
tware is not. If that should be a dogma we should always stick to, we should immediately abandon all efforts to improve software and go back to Linux 0.01. > * Software that is not well commented is hard to understand and find > bugs Your last statement doesn't hold at all without

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