Re: Licenses for DebConf6

2005-11-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:13:51 +1000, Anthony Towns said: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:21:08PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > But instead, what I'm led to wonder is if this is really standing up > for our beliefs and fighting the good fight, or actually just trying > to a

Re: Licenses for DebConf6

2005-11-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:32:50 +1000, Anthony Towns said: > On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 11:24:04PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> Several distros include non-free software, as long as it's >> >> distributable. >> > Debian's one of them -- we jus

Re: Licenses for DebConf6

2005-11-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:59:08 +0100, Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-12 20:42:39]: >> Well, a conference that is not affiliated with Debian, such a >> requirement is not tenable, that is true. But if such a co

Re: Licenses for DebConf6

2005-11-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:43:07 +0100, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Scripsit Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> This is a conference for Debian development. By definition, Debian >> is 100%free. Am I mistaken in assuming that people contributing to >

Re: Licenses for DebConf6

2005-11-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
rograms better. Every bit of that applies to talks as well (thanks Colin Walters), and I fail to see why this is also not something we should strive for. manoj -- You will lose an important tape file. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivast

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
manoj -- A clever prophet makes sure of the event first. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
an's best friend. Rover is taking a beating -- and he should. -- W.C. Fields Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ture branches, integration branches, and sloppy branches while upgrading, and would not want to be forced to regress to a patch system. manoj -- Usage: fortune -P [] -a [xsz] [Q: [file]] [rKe9] -v6[+] dataspec ... inputdir Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.d

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:00:52 +, Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue Feb 05 00:51, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > If we can't figure out a good and clean way to keep a large stack >> > of long-lived patches in the vcs then I firmly believe we

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
then dump. manoj -- Real Programmers don't write in PL/I. PL/I is for programmers who can't decide whether to write in COBOL or FORTRAN. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B

Re: [RFC] Changing priority of selinux back to optional

2008-02-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
valid test for dynamic motd updating > - #438706: selinux-doc: Error in doc-base definition > - #438887: refpolicy: Spurious "+" causes warnings when building > #modules > None of these bugs has seen any reaction from the package maintainers. Mostly fixed.

Re: [RFC] Changing priority of selinux back to optional

2008-02-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
en see how to deal with any errors that arise on your machine. This is where the most help is needed. If people send in patches, I'll try to maintain a less than seven day turn around time on them starting this weekend. manoj -- Is there another word for synonym?

Re: [RFC] Changing priority of selinux back to optional

2008-02-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
r, and not because of packaging, but because of the testing that needs to be done with any change. > So maybe it would be better to actually get some people involved in > SELinux again. That would indeed be nice. manoj -- "Intelligence without character is a dangerous

Re: [RFC] Changing priority of selinux back to optional

2008-02-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ns. manoj -- "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting."-Alan Dean Foster "To the Vanishing Point" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C --

Re: [RFC] Changing priority of selinux back to optional

2008-02-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:10:19 +0100, Václav Ovsík <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 11:43:54PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I don't think Lenny is in shape for a release either. It took me >> about a day to get most SELinux packages back up to

New version of refpolicy headed towards incoming

2008-02-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
d and send me the diffs. manoj -- Check it out, send me comments, and dance joyously in the streets, Linus Torvalds announcing 2.0.27 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C --

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
w '*every* patch bundle system' or to know how to deal with a DVCS. What is the use case this effort is designed to address? I have not actually heard NMU/porters express a need for converting monolithic patches to patch series. Have I missed the need statements?

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:45:06 +0100, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 11:42:16AM +, Ben Finney wrote: >> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:12:00AM +, Manoj Srivastava wrot

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:24:12 +1100, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > also sprach Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.05.1751 > +1100]: >> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:34:27 -0500, David Nusinow >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] >> &g

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
urrent feature branch C compares to the second from last revisions of feature branch F. I find comparing feature branches to each other as useful as comparing them to upstream, personally. manoj -- Welcome to the Zoo! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.de

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
on the other hand, a dependent series of linearized patches; and a change in an earlier feature impacts all subsequent patches (and quilt is good at automating the handling of that impact). manoj -- He who is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else. Manoj Srivastava <

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:20:49 +0100, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > also sprach Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.20.1722 > +0100]: >> I have to take care of it manually once. That is the first time I >> setup the integration branch t

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
tch series except in cases where human intervention is indispensable anyway. I like that. I am lazy. manoj -- Reliable source, n.: The guy you just met. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 2

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:46:03 -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:37:24AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:20:49 +0100, martin f krafft >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > That does not help me d

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:58:01 +0100, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 03:08:23PM +0000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:46:03 -0500, David Nusinow >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > On Fri, Feb 22,

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:20:55 -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 09:08:23AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Now, you are trying to make me go towards a mechanism I think is >> inferior (a liner, dependent, and in my opinion, opaque,

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:34:55 +1100, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > No matter what you want to say about your feature branches, you >> >

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
se this > sort of workflow could stick everything in a giant diff like we do > now, so nothing would be lost. Or have dpkg understand not just quilt, but git. I mean, if we are making dpkg understand quilt-as-a-version-control system, why not also have it grok a modern SCM lik

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ature branches, and I do not want to have to worry about integration all over again at every upload. Unless new information comes up on this thread, I am done. manoj -- Reinhart was never his mother's favorite -- and he was an only child. Thomas Berger Manoj Srivastava <[EM

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
in. But it was a youthful > penguin, rebelling against its genetic heritage. Youthful, but with taste. I thought it gave us a better logo than the somewhat blah swirl. But I lost that vote manoj -- If only you knew she loved you, you could face the uncertainty of whether

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:04:21 +0100, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > also sprach Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.22.1627 > +0100]: >> I am not sure you have understood feature branches. They are >> independent, no matter what the overl

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:35:13 +0100, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > also sprach Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.25.0828 > +0100]: >> I am not opposed to it. If you can somehow magically create a tool >> that can linearize the feature

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:33:48 +0100, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:37:07AM +0000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:17:10 -0500, David Nusinow >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > On Sun, Feb

Re: [errata] How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
manoj -- To err is human, to really foul up requires the root password. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subje

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:11:16 -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:31:10PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:34:55 +1100, Ben Finney >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > Manoj Srivastava <[

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:04:10 -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:56:49AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> No, it does not. If branch A has pi = 2.34567; and branch B has pi = >> 3.14159; >> >> No matter how much quiltin

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:35:30 +1300, Sam Vilain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>> Feature branches don't magically allow you to avoid merge conflicts >>> either, so this is a red herring. Once you've resolved the conflict, >>> th

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:11:48 +1300, Sam Vilain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>> Yes. Feature branches are effectively forking a particular version >>> of a project - this is not a problem, and is essential for efficient >>> developmen

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ption. The downside, of course, is shipping the same patch twice, once in the diff.gz, and once in ./debian/branches/*.diff.gz. Comments welcome. manoj -- "Laugh while you can, monkey-boy." Dr. Emilio Lizardo Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <htt

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-03-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ome people use quilt. Some of us do not. Unless there is a way to generate a quilt series for the rest of us easily, we are not going to have quilt in all source packages. Why is this so hard to understand? manoj -- Time is an illusion perpetrated by the manufacturers of spa

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-03-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:21:03 +0100, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > also sprach Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.29.2153 > +0100]: >> 3) I propose ./debian/branches/{TopicA,TopicB,TopicC}.diff.gz >> files. Each diff, applied to the orig.t

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-03-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
nks that useless conformity comes close to foolish consistency, and I am opposed to hobgoblins. manoj -- Operator, please trace this call and tell me where I am. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B

Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)

2008-03-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
easier, but since I do not see much of a difficulty with unclean history, I am not sure I find this argument persuasive. Now, having bisecability could be useful (I have never used a bisect); I don't know what the effect of a version that does not compile or is otherwise buggy would have on the work flow. manoj -- Actually, what I'd like is a little toy spaceship!! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-03-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
x27;d have been better without: love, curiosity, freckles and doubt. -- Dorothy Parker Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Debian refpolicy and core SELinux package update

2008-03-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
that Linux started off as a terminal emulator Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian refpolicy and core SELinux package update

2008-03-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:34:38 +0100, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I am beginning to come back from a deadline crunch on my day job, and >> start paying attention to my Debian packages again; so hopefully

Re: [DSE-Dev] New version of refpolicy headed towards incoming

2008-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, that people on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > will fix my ideas how to the Debian-specific changes. :) Well, you could always file wishlist bugs on Debian packages, you know. manoj -- Are the STEWED PRUNES still in the HAIR DRYER? Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: [DSE-Dev] Debian refpolicy and core SELinux package update

2008-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e tool capable of backup extended attributes > (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454745). Perhaps a wish list bug is in order? manoj -- Don't go to bed with no price on your head. Baretta Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.or

Re: SELinux overhead

2008-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
verhead of a strict policy in enforcing mode to about 6-7% under "typical" load. manoj -- "All the people are so happy now, their heads are caving in. I'm glad they are a snowman with protective rubber skin" -- They Might Be Giants Manoj Srivastava <[

Information about smart card tokens (product links for US residents)

2008-03-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ko189283/MuscleCard/MuscleCardArticle.html manoj http://del.icio.us/srivasta/smartcard -- As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport. Shakespeare, "King Lear" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 10

Re: RFC: preventing accidental deletion of system directories

2008-03-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
by an admin. manoj -- Youth is a disease from which we all recover. Dorothy Fuldheim Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A suggestion

2008-04-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ktop, maybe mentionning that it is also a development tool and > it is not inteded for normal use would do the job… Well, I guess we could, but then I think we would also be unnecessarily alarmist. manoj -- Is it clean in other dimensions? Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> &

Re: Should -dev packages providing .pc files depend on pkg-config?

2008-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
unaceptable, as you assert above? manoj -- Ah, sweet Springtime, when a young man lightly turns his fancy over! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Should -dev packages providing .pc files depend on pkg-config?

2008-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:21:51 +0200, Andreas Bombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 01:14:50PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:20:56 +0200, Bernhard R Link >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > Here I have to contradict. N

Re: MCS/MLS status in Debian

2008-04-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
user interactions in this script happen via debconf. This script can then eventually be called from the preinst hook. manoj -- The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/>

Re: Misc development news (#6) (DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt)

2008-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to avoid ending up with > cdbs-buildpackage ;-) manoj -- "I'd love to go out with you, but I want to spend more time with my blender." Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B

Re: Should -dev packages providing .pc files depend on pkg-config?

2008-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
linux-dev needs to depend on pkg-config. Or even recommend it. manoj -- Always look over your shoulder because everyone is watching and plotting against you. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B

Re: Should -dev packages providing .pc files depend on pkg-config?

2008-04-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:58:44 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > * Manoj Srivastava >> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:15:53 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > You are missing the point. >> >> > Wh

Re: Handling bugs properly

2008-04-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ponse must have been received (or a paraphrase); what happens then the response is missing? manoj -- Coward, n. one who in a perilous emergency thinks with his legs. Ambrose Bierce Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4

Re: Should -dev packages providing .pc files depend on pkg-config?

2008-04-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:17:34 +0200, Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 01:44:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> > What if the library says "You must call /usr/bin/foo during >> >> > build"? >> >> &

Re: Bug#479553: ITP: thinkcspy2 -- free Python book for beginning programmers

2008-05-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, I do not think that is accurate. Packages licensed under the GFDL are already in Debian, as long as they do not contain any invariant parts. manoj -- Minnie Mouse is a slow maze learner. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF2

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, independently, and easily; this is terribly hard to do with quilt. manoj -- "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." Voltaire Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ream, one audience does not like rebases, the other thrives on it. See http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/misc/packaging.html#sec-5.4 for details on this scheme. manoj -- The difference between dogs and cats is that dogs come when they're called. Cats take a message and get back to y

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
es live in the diff.gz. Following this simple rule is what we normally do. manoj -- Leibowitz's Rule: When hammering a nail, you will never hit your finger if you hold the hammer with both hands. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/&g

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
rly identified patches* to the upstream source tree. I find a quilt series to not fit the bill very well. On the other hand, creating ./debian/topics/foo/ with a git-format-patch series for each branch in there might be doable -- but then, these individual patches might not apply cle

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 16 May 2008 15:49:25 -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Create a submission branch. There are two audiences for your work; >> one is downstream (which includes the integration branch for Debian), &g

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-cover-letter \ -o debian/topics/$branch/ master..$branch done I am not yet sure I like the --cover-letter bit, though. manoj -- I don't know if it's what you want, but it's what you get. :-) Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Manoj Sriv

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 17 May 2008 11:40:43 +0200, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Le vendredi 16 mai 2008 à 17:08 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> diffing the tips of branches in a SCM has been far more friendly. So >> I find my old and new SCM's preferable to a

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ways for telling end users where to get the development sources from? We might want to see if we should shipt the VCS-* headers in the Packages file, but I thought we are trying to standardize publication of DVCS repositories in Debian now. manoj -- Alimony is like buying oats for a de

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
hich is why we can get away with fewer branches than we can with quilt patches. Or else make our quilt patches less easy to understand and test. manoj -- Be urgent in good; hold your thoughts off evil. When one is slack in doing good the mind delights in evil. 116 Manoj Srivastava <

Re: Should dpkg-source -x list patches (Re: How to handle Debian patches)

2008-05-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
not use quilt. Seems like you should be concerned about changes made to upstream, period, regardless of whether the changes are recorded in quilt or not. Am I missing something? manoj -- Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding. Albert Einstein Manoj S

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
in this example the conflict resolution is trivial. Can you demonstrate a tool that will correctly generate a quilt series from these branches? manoj -- The meek are contesting the will. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C pri

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 19 May 2008 17:29:13 +0200, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 09:58:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 19 May 2008 10:42:54 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> Hmm. You say things

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:00:48 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Mon, 19 May 2008 10:42:54 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> Hmm. You say things

Re: How to handle Debian patches

2008-05-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 20 May 2008 00:44:44 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 09:58:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> And then you go saying things like that: >> > It is trivial to generate a quilt format package from >> > g

Re: package config

2008-05-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
dency to feel you are superior to most computers. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: the quality of Debian's diff.gz

2008-06-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
age of Web 2.0, requiring an intrnet connection is not an anathema; and neither is shipping the sources in 3.0 (git) format, though I do believe people disagree. manoj -- Clear the laundromat!! This whirl-o-matic just had a nuclear meltdown!! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <htt

Re: Bug#484129: release.debian.org: packages in tasks should be fixed in priority and removed in last resort after discussion

2008-06-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
conclusions in face of what the developers tell them makes it their problem. manoj -- A husband is what is left of the lover after the nerve has been extracted. Helen Rowland Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B4

Re: Bug#484129: release.debian.org: packages in tasks should be fixed in priority and removed in last resort after discussion

2008-06-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:23:52 -0700, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon June 2 2008 18:52:29 Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:22:28 -0700, Mike Bird >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > A thing is best characterized by what it does and ho

Re: Bug#484129: release.debian.org: packages in tasks should be fixed in priority and removed in last resort after discussion

2008-06-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:19:16 -0700, Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon June 2 2008 20:52:03 Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The version of Debian that is intended for general use is the one we >> call stable. >> >> There are other distribution

Re: Bug#484129: release.debian.org: packages in tasks should be fixed in priority and removed in last resort after discussion

2008-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:05:45 -0400, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I thought I had answered that. The only version that th project >> releases for end users is stable. > Debian has been releasing versions of testing for end users for

Re: Generating debian package using cmake (take 3)

2008-06-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
one to the extent of repacking upstream sources to delete the ./debian directory, though mostly one can get away with overriding some files, and removing others in the clean target. manoj -- Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now). Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
out the issue. I have a few pet peeves with Lintian myself. manoj -- "A car is just a big purse on wheels." Johanna Reynolds Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash (part two)

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
re the one behind you. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash (part two)

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
he small, it enkindles the great. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash (part two)

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
manoj -- "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" Vroomfondel Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@list

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash (part two)

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
need bash anywa, and so far have not needed dash -- so adding dash _adds_ to the bloat). manoj -- I'm going to give my psychoanalyst one more year, then I'm going to Lourdes. Woody Allen Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
independent of >> what /bin/sh is, that's fine. However, that's not obvious to me. > > As long as /bin/sh refuses extensions to posix I agree with you, but > bashism has been a cuss word for years before 2004. Source? Policy does not even ban bashims for m

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
orked. Admittedly, /bin/sh is rather more critical to get right, but I think we have the ability to craft a solution to do so. manoj -- filibuster, n.: Throwing your wait around. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash (part two)

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Jul 23 2009, Raphael Geissert wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 21 2009, Raphael Geissert wrote: >>> >>> The goal of dropping bash from essential is not to remove bash from the >>> systems (or from Debian), it is about making pa

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Jul 23 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I think we can engineer a system where Debian suggests various >> shells as the default shell, and the user selects one. And only the >> selected default shell is one that can't be removed from the sy

Re: RFC round 4: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines

2009-07-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
s the format, I don't see a difference in accuracy. It is a different proposal, though. manoj -- Life is the childhood of our immortality. Goethe Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e ought to have a more generic approach that allows shells other than dash/bash to be the default shell, and that the vendor not make the choice. manoj -- "We learn from history that we learn nothing from history." George Bernard Shaw Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.o

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 04:10:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > We want everyone to use dash by default. > >> Who is we? Why is the sysadmin not the one making the decision? >> Why is the Vendor making

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash (part two)

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 08:20:05PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > But well, one of the ideas is to avoid having such extra stuff deeply >> > tied to the core system, i.e. essential. > >> That's it? T

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 04:04:03PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> >> If the answer is that we really do want it everywhere independent of >> >> what /bin/sh is, that's fine. However, that's not obvious

Re: RFC round 4: DEP-3: Patch Tagging Guidelines

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:04:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> >> I do not see an increase of accuracy in going from: >>a set of RFC-2822 compliant fields >> to >>a set of fields simi

Re: Bug#538202: ITP: virt-what -- detect if we are running in a virtual machine

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
inside a Xen fullvirt guest. This sounds cool. Does it support user-mode-linux as well? manoj -- The only rose without thorns is friendship. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:31:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> I think you are not going far enough. Why should I have dash on >> the system when my default shell is posh? or (gasp) zsh? > > Why would you set yo

Re: piuparts output format: a proposal

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-- "Falling in love makes smoking pot all day look like the ultimate in restraint." Dave Sim, author of Cerebrus. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-req

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