Re: Proposed MBF: packages that FTBFS with make --shuffle

2025-05-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 06:58:22PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > El 14/5/25 a las 12:50, Adrian Bunk escribió: >... > > How many of the packages that break with "make --shuffle" are currently > > doing parallel building? > > I am asking since these might be RC bugs for trixie. > > I believed (rega

Re: Proposed MBF: packages that FTBFS with make --shuffle

2025-05-14 Thread Santiago Vila
El 14/5/25 a las 19:27, Adrian Bunk escribió: On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 06:58:22PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: El 14/5/25 a las 12:50, Adrian Bunk escribió: ... How many of the packages that break with "make --shuffle" are currently doing parallel building? I am asking since these might be RC bug

Re: debian/upstream/metadata (Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference)

2025-05-14 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
+Jelmer, who is the maintainer of the metadata specification > https://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata > > That's pretty much where we are now. This was done in the pre-Salsa time, and > if people get excited about the concept, I guess that Salsa offers new > opportunities to play with the conce

Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?)

2025-05-14 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Wed, May 14, 2025 at 09:40:54AM +0200 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > > * 37641 source packages in trixie/main > > * of which 36083 declare a VCS URL > > * of which 34644 point to a salsa project > > * of which 34370 point to a salsa project that exists > > > > [...] > > This is now available at htt

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 14 May 2025 at 10:41am +02, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: Well, git-debrebase does, and is as compliant with DEP-14 as you'd like it to be. >>> >>> There is gbp pq, which is probably more widely used. >> >> Right. Both are good. > > In fact my question was more. > > I wo

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread Andrius Merkys
On 2025-05-14 12:29, Simon Josefsson wrote: Indeed this is a mess. (I wouldn't count d/control Vcs-* though?) d/control has Homepage as well. Has there been any work towards a single-file declarative file syntax to generate all the debian/ files? Yes, there was such an effort advocated by

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread Simon McVittie
On Wed, 14 May 2025 at 09:47:18 +0100, Sean Whitton wrote: On Wed 14 May 2025 at 10:41am +02, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: So where do we put the upstream git URL If I read this part of DEP-14, I have the information that the remote should be named 'upstreamvcs' but nothing about where to put

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread Ananthu C V
Hi, On 14 May 2025 09:29:23 UTC, Simon Josefsson wrote: >PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel >writes: > >>> There is the Source field in d/copyright where you can put a git remote >>> URL. Maybe that usage should go into DEP-14 ? >> >> So we have upstream informations in >> >> d/copyright >> d/control (git

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel
>>> Well, git-debrebase does, and is as compliant with DEP-14 as you'd like >>> it to be. >> >> There is gbp pq, which is probably more widely used. > > Right. Both are good. In fact my question was more. I would like, something like dgit clone or gbp clone and get a a DEP-14 organized re

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel
> There is the Source field in d/copyright where you can put a git remote > URL. Maybe that usage should go into DEP-14 ? So we have upstream informations in d/copyright d/control (git url of our VCS). d/watch (in git mode) d/upstream/metadata (what for ?). maybe we should standardize on this on

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread Simon Josefsson
PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel writes: >> There is the Source field in d/copyright where you can put a git remote >> URL. Maybe that usage should go into DEP-14 ? > > So we have upstream informations in > > d/copyright > d/control (git url of our VCS). > d/watch (in git mode) > d/upstream/metadata (wha

Is there any planned official Debian 12 Bookworm support for Raspberry Pi 5?

2025-05-14 Thread Odephus
Hello Debian Developer Team, First of all, thank you for your amazing work and dedication to the Debian project. As a Debian user and supporter, I would like to kindly ask a small question. Is there any planned or ongoing development for official Debian 12 (Bookworm) support for Raspberry Pi 5 ha

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 14 May 2025 at 11:29am +02, Simon Josefsson wrote: > PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel > writes: > >>> There is the Source field in d/copyright where you can put a git remote >>> URL. Maybe that usage should go into DEP-14 ? >> >> So we have upstream informations in >> >> d/copyright >> d/c

Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference (Was: ITN procedure?)

2025-05-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/05/25 at 22:36 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 09/05/25 at 12:43 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I would love to see data about the actual acceptance of DEP-14 among > > packages in the archive: my feeling is that it is currently being a bit > > ignored by maintainers and teams (but maybe

Re: Dropping awk?

2025-05-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 09:30:25AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Are there any guarantees on semantics for package removals? Will the > user/group be removed from /etc/{passwd,group} or not? Will it remove > the home directory? What happens if the home directory is not empty? > Will it remove

Re: Dropping awk?

2025-05-14 Thread Simon Josefsson
Holger Levsen writes: > On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 09:30:25AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> Are there any guarantees on semantics for package removals? Will the >> user/group be removed from /etc/{passwd,group} or not? Will it remove >> the home directory? What happens if the home directory is

debian/upstream/metadata (Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference)

2025-05-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, May 14, 2025 at 10:59:48AM +0200, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel a écrit : > > d/upstream/metadata (what for ?) Hi! When I created debian/upstream.metadata I intended that would contain metadata that is not required for package building and that can change or grow independently of the source co

Re: Is there any planned official Debian 12 Bookworm support for Raspberry Pi 5?

2025-05-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:58:59 +0300, Odephus wrote: >First of all, thank you for your amazing work and dedication to the Debian >project. As a Debian user and supporter, I would like to kindly ask a small >question. Your help is appreciated. >Is there any planned or ongoing development for offici

Re: Dropping awk?

2025-05-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 14 May 2025 07:50:06 +, Holger Levsen wrote: >To quote Russ once again: 'I think Policy should say something like >"created users and groups should not be removed by default, but may be >removed on purge if the local administrator explicitly requests this, either >for that package or

Re: Is there any planned official Debian 12 Bookworm support for Raspberry Pi 5?

2025-05-14 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi Odephus, [ cc-ing the historical pkg-raspi-maintainers@ list ] Odephus (2025-05-14): > Is there any planned or ongoing development for official Debian 12 > (Bookworm) support for Raspberry Pi 5 hardware? If there is a roadmap > or an expected release date, I would be very grateful if you coul

Re: Dropping awk?

2025-05-14 Thread Simon Josefsson
Andrea Pappacoda writes: > Hi Ahmad, > > Il 13 maggio 2025 00:30:09 CEST, Ahmad Khalifa ha scritto: >> Relatively new perhaps. Needs a little fiddling to work with debhelper >> compat level 13 (needs dh helper called from d/rules). > > You might want to build-depend on dh-sequence-sysusers inst

Re: Proposed MBF: packages that FTBFS with make --shuffle

2025-05-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 08:48:29AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 05/05/25 at 22:14 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > In some cases, the bug is already known, because debian/rules > > has --max-parallel=1. Example: The alpine package. > > > > (I wonder how much feasible would be to skip those pac

Re: Proposed MBF: packages that FTBFS with make --shuffle

2025-05-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 14/05/25 at 13:50 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 08:48:29AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 05/05/25 at 22:14 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > In some cases, the bug is already known, because debian/rules > > > has --max-parallel=1. Example: The alpine package. > >

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread Peter B
On 14/05/2025 10:33, Andrius Merkys wrote: Yes, there was such an effort advocated by one person, but I cannot recall any details about it to help locating it. Best, Andrius Was that debputy? https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debputy Regards, Peter

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread Jonathan McDowell
On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 12:33:49PM +0300, Andrius Merkys wrote: On 2025-05-14 12:29, Simon Josefsson wrote: Indeed this is a mess. (I wouldn't count d/control Vcs-* though?) d/control has Homepage as well. Has there been any work towards a single-file declarative file syntax to generate all

Re: git branches vs debian specific git tools (Re: RFC for changes regarding NMU in developers reference

2025-05-14 Thread PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel
> debian/upstream/metadata, Repository field. > > For example try `gbp clone --add-upstream-vcs vcsgit:sdl2-compat` which > uses this field. To make `gbp clone` do this automatically whenever this > information is available, you can write > > [DEFAULT] > add-upstream-vcs = True > > into ~/.gbp.c

Re: Dropping awk?

2025-05-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 13, Guillem Jover wrote: systemd's sysuser support is only apparently slightly better than adduser (in that it is declarative), otherwise it feels rather underwhelming in the package management context. It does not solve being able to use such users in .deb files w/o maintainer scripts,

Re: Proposed MBF: packages that FTBFS with make --shuffle

2025-05-14 Thread Santiago Vila
El 14/5/25 a las 12:50, Adrian Bunk escribió: What is a maintainer supposed to do when the package already does "dh --no-parallel" and the upstream Makefiles are basically unfixable? Whether a Makefile is unfixable or not is subjective. Everything depends on the amount of time that one is willi