Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi! You wrote: > * videogen > (easy pickings) If no one else is interested, I'd like to take this one. It could take me a few weeks to find time to upload though, as Real Life is getting in the way atm. -- Kind regards, ++

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Chris Boot
On 29 May 2006, at 23:53, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Em Seg, 2006-05-29 às 22:08 +0100, Chris Boot escreveu: SLIND sounds interesting indeed, I've been using a buildroot-built system for mine so it was difficult getting dpkg built in the first place, but I've got it mostly all going. All the arch-inde

Re: HOWTO rebuild the archive

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:47:53PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Or just dump all packages into the buildds queue file (as > > That would be ~buildd/build/REDO > >> package_version, one per line) and start it. > > That would be > > package_vers

Re: Uploading packages built against testing?

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hendrik Sattler wrote: >> Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 21:16 schrieb Thomas Viehmann: >>> Hendrik Sattler wrote: No, but you could manually set all stuff in Depends to the needed versions. That would also work for the buildds, I guess. >>> And bre

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Chris Boot
On 30 May 2006, at 08:53, Alexander Shishkin wrote: On 5/30/06, Chris Boot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 29 May 2006, at 23:53, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Yes, I can see that could be handy. I'm guessing SLIND is based on woody? No, it is based on testing/unstable. Host part is mostly sarge (it was

Re: Uploading packages built against testing?

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:00:21AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> binNMU & recompilation: won't break if the app really works with this > >> older > >> version and the lib must be ABI-compatible anyway. > > ... and this one is plainly wrong. binNMUs for rebuild against > > dependency lib

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Andreas Fester schrieb: I create a new package with the new name which will get uploaded to the NEW queue. This package replaces the old package and conflicts with the old package: Replaces: oldPackage Conflicts: oldPackage (<< firstVersionOfNewPackage) IIRC the correct way to do that is

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, * NTP server (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'll take it. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Chris Boot
On 30 May 2006, at 09:12, Alexander Shishkin wrote: On 5/30/06, Chris Boot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just make a list of everything you have installed and rebuild each package one-by-one until you've covered everything. I can't see where the problem is. In the real world (tm) building things

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Alexander Shishkin
On 5/30/06, Chris Boot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 29 May 2006, at 23:53, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Yes, I can see that could be handy. I'm guessing SLIND is based on woody? No, it is based on testing/unstable. Host part is mostly sarge (it was in the 0.1 prerelease, now most of it is sid). Well i

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Wartan Hachaturow
On 5/30/06, Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What I do think it would be really nice is to have a "contrib-builds" SLIND repository (like backports do). This would make things easier for sharing this effort. Will be there Real Soon Now (tm). Hardware is already at the desk, I just need t

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Alexander Shishkin
On 5/30/06, Chris Boot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just make a list of everything you have installed and rebuild each package one-by-one until you've covered everything. I can't see where the problem is. In the real world (tm) building things by hand is not acceptable because of a) complicated bu

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:23:44AM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: > Andreas Fester schrieb: > >I create a new package with the new name which will > >get uploaded to the NEW queue. This package replaces the > >old package and conflicts with the old package: > >Replaces: oldPackage > >Conflicts: oldP

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Zak B. Elep
On 5/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am sorry (and not happy with myself) that I've been procrastinating about this for too long. This decision has not been easy. However, I need to focus more on (a) work that actually feeds my kids, and (b) time that is *not* spent hacking.

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
Morning... Matthias, your "From:" line appears to be missing. Or my MUA is b0rked. On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:29:34PM +0200, wrote: > * NTP server > (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian > NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'd take my chance on t

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Alexander Shishkin
On 5/30/06, Chris Boot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course, but I'm just talking about getting a basic environment set up from scratch. I realise slind removes the need for that now, but... I'm not insisting on you using slind, I just want to convince people to contribute to it. :) -- I am fr

Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

2006-05-30 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Benjamin Seidenberg] > FYI: > 12:33 < Ganneff> and for all those impatient waiting for NEW: i will > clear that in my jetlag time, in those nights i > cant sleep (ie 1st -> 2nd june, 2-> 3) :) Sounds good, but do not really addresses the fundamental problem here

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Steve Langasek schrieb: Package: oldpkg Depends: newpkg Description: transitional dummy package Package: newpkg Replaces: oldpkg Conflicts: oldpkg Description: ... *NO* *NO* *NO* *NO* *NO*. Look closely at the package relationships you've specified. Why would you upload a package to

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Christoph Haas schrieb: * NTP server (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'd take my chance on this one. There is a large number of bugs open and I believe that this package is very important. Still I'd li

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:25:58AM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: > Christoph Haas schrieb: > > >>* NTP server > >> (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian > >> NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) > > >I'd take my chance on this one. There is a large number o

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:22:51 +0200 Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Steve Langasek schrieb: > > >>Package: oldpkg > >>Depends: newpkg > >>Description: transitional dummy package > > > >>Package: newpkg > >>Replaces: oldpkg > >>Conflicts: oldpkg > >>Description: ... > > >

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Andreas Fester schrieb: > >> I create a new package with the new name which will >> get uploaded to the NEW queue. This package replaces the >> old package and conflicts with the old package: >> Replaces: oldPackage >> Conflicts: oldPackage (<< f

Re: libdb transition policy?

2006-05-30 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! Sorry for late response. * "Nikita V. Youshchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-24 12:10]: >> However, contrary to what the NM templates suggest, symbol versioning >> is not a cure-all for all ABI incompatibilities. If libetpan returns >> a DB_ENV * in its API, you need to port[1] a

Re: Bug#367853: libdb transition policy?

2006-05-30 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
> Have fun with updating the library, it won't affect depending packages. > :) Some times are that easy to solve, you know? Ok, will upload today :) pgpHAIvddyz9K.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: > Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point. > > In the paragraph above, marked >>>, which was written by you, you > speak of deception and forgery. Nothing in the reports of the > recent incident involving Martin suggests any decept

Re: Bug#367853: libdb transition policy?

2006-05-30 Thread DINH Viêt Hoà
On 30 May 2006, at 12:50, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Hi! Sorry for late response. * "Nikita V. Youshchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-24 12:10]: However, contrary to what the NM templates suggest, symbol versioning is not a cure-all for all ABI incompatibilities. If libetpan return

Re: Please revoke your signatures from MartinKraff's keys

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 27 May 2006, Lionel Elie Mamane verbalised: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:19:21PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On 27 May 2006, Lionel Elie Mamane spake thusly: >>> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 02:04:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 27 May 2006, Lionel Elie Mamane stated: > > The U

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: > > Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point. > > > > In the paragraph above, marked >>>, which was written by you, you > > speak of deception and forgery. Nothing i

Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:04:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Benjamin Seidenberg] > > FYI: > > 12:33 < Ganneff> and for all those impatient waiting for NEW: i will > > clear that in my jetlag time, in those nights i > > cant sleep (ie 1st -> 2nd june,

Re: HOWTO rebuild the archive

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:57:04AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Whether doing it this way is a good idea, though, I don't know. Buildd > > surely wasn't designed for this. > > It is much simpler than to set up wanna-build and a local archive

Re: bits from the release team: release goals, python, X.org, amd64, timeline

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:05:26PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > Timeline > > > Now, let's please take a more detailed look at the time line: > > > Thu 15 Jun 06: > > last chance to switch to gcc 4.1, python 2.4 > review architectures one more time > last

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: >>> Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point. >>> >>> In the paragraph above, marked >>>, which was written by you,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:49:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: > > > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: > >>> Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my p

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: > >> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>> On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point. In the pa

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Otavio Salvador
Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Christoph Haas schrieb: > >>>* NTP server >>> (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian >>> NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) > >> I'd take my chance on this one. There is a large number of bugs open and

Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

2006-05-30 Thread Otavio Salvador
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:04:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >> >> [Benjamin Seidenberg] >> > FYI: >> > 12:33 < Ganneff> and for all those impatient waiting for NEW: i will >> > clear that in my jetlag time, in those nights i

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:09:07AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi, > > > > Christoph Haas schrieb: > > > >>>* NTP server > >>> (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian > >>> NTP Team, which consists of zero active mem

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst stated: > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:49:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: >> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: > Perhaps my just-p

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:50:41AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst stated: [...] > > However, "trusted processes" do not lie with people who are trying > > to convince you of their identity. If you trust anyone to tell the > > truth about their identity, which is wh

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Aurelien Jarno a écrit : Hi all, As gcc-4.1 may be the default compiler soon (I hope so), I have tried to build the glibc with it. Currently it builds and works on the following architectures: amd64, hppa, i386, mips, mipsel, sparc The packages are available [1], but a but outdated. It shoul

Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Banck
People, please move this thread over to -project On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:13:37AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:04:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > >> [Benjamin Seidenberg] > >> > FYI: > >> > 12:33 < Ganneff> an

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 04:31:33PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > I haven't done a build on m68k yet. I tried it on akire, but was interrupted by real world issues. When you could give a more detailed HowTo (sbuild, dpkg-buildpackage, whatever) I would retry... -- Ciao...//

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 30 May 2006, Frank Küster told this: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: >> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: > Perhaps my just-posted message has to

Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, This is to forestall those of you who seem to be be arguing that the debconf6 KSP crack was a red team attack -- here is how that attack differed from a legitimate red team effort (I have been a member of red teams before, and have lead a number of red team attacks in my time).

Re: Re: Re: screenshot with package description

2006-05-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hie Gonéri and *, Am 2006-05-19 12:26:23, schrieb Gonéri Le Bouder: > > However, another solution would be just place these JPGs and PNGs flat > > on the server and have apt just download them and save them > Yes, a public repository where people download the picture when they need it. This was m

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Ingo Juergensmann a écrit : On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 04:31:33PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: I haven't done a build on m68k yet. I tried it on akire, but was interrupted by real world issues. When you could give a more detailed HowTo (sbuild, dpkg-buildpackage, whatever) I would retry...

Bug#369543: ITP: libdata-dump-perl -- Pretty printing of data structures

2006-05-30 Thread Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy)
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libdata-dump-perl Version : 1.06 Upstream Author : Gisle Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://mirrors.kernel.org/cpan/modules/by-module/Data/Data-Dump-1.06.tar.g

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Banck
Manoj, On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:52:11AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > This is to forestall those of you who seem to be be arguing > that the debconf6 KSP crack was a red team attack -- here is how that > attack differed from a legitimate red team effort (I have been a > member of r

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What Martin Krafft showed you was, >>> >>> How do I know that person actually was Martin Krafft? >> >> This is getting ridiculuous. > > With this I tend to agree. Your credulity is unbelievable. > >> If what I've read about the incident is

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
Christoph Haas wrote: Darcs looks like a nice competitor but has some issues regarding checking in changes automatically (might as well be my ignorance but it sounds like I need weird scripts and a .procmailrc to merge changes automatically). You don't *need* them; you can choose to do that, bu

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 04:44:49PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > >I tried it on akire, but was interrupted by real world issues. > >When you could give a more detailed HowTo (sbuild, dpkg-buildpackage, > >whatever) I would retry... > Very easy: > dget http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/glibc/gli

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I really think either you are deliberately being obtuse, or > nothing I can say will get this through to you. I fail to see how > one can assert that there was no forgery going on -- do you > automatically assume that if a shiney laminated

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If I claim to be president George Clooney, and show you a > document that proves I am such, and I earnestly claim it was not > forged, but Bubba looked at all kinds of documentation that says I am > such a person, you would proclaim from th

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I guess You can't read. I have never stated that I know it is > a forgery: I can't since I do not have that data. I have stated I > have absolutely no trust path to the identity proclaimed, so I am > going to treat it as though it were; s

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is to forestall those of you who seem to be be arguing > that the debconf6 KSP crack was a red team attack -- here is how that > attack differed from a legitimate red team effort (I have been a > member of red teams before, and have le

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:29:34PM +0200, wrote: > * libdigest-hmac-perl, libdigest-sha1-perl, libdigest-md2-perl, > libdigest-perl, libio-interface-perl, libio-socket-multicast-perl, > libnet-xwhois-perl, libvideo-capture-v4l-perl > (easy pickings; check for new Upstream) I guess these pa

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Hubert Chan
On Mon, 29 May 2006 21:29:34 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unknown) said: > * ufraw (need to package new Upstream; easy) I can take this if nobody else wants it. -- Hubert Chan - email & Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.uhoreg.ca/ PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/124B61FA (Key available at wwwkeys.pgp.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 30 May 2006, Frank Küster verbalised: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What Martin Krafft showed you was, How do I know that person actually was Martin Krafft? >>> >>> This is getting ridiculuous. >> >> With this I tend to agree. Your credulity is unbelievable.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Based on this thread, I would think that Stave Langasek was > dead on: any transitive trust in Debian's keyring is > non-existenet. So, using the signed key as a mesure of trust in the > identity of a NM candidate by the DAMS is probably mi

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:46:30AM -0700, Zak B. Elep wrote: > >* libdigest-hmac-perl, libdigest-sha1-perl, libdigest-md2-perl, > > libdigest-perl, libio-interface-perl, libio-socket-multicast-perl, > > libnet-xwhois-perl, libvideo-capture-v4l-perl > I'd like to take these up. Oops, I just saw yo

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:28:19AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > This is to forestall those of you who seem to be be arguing > > that the debconf6 KSP crack was a red team attack -- here is how that > > attack differed from a legit

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Claiming that what Martin did was good since he was showing > something useful for our community is equivalent to saying it was a > "red team attack". Nobody used that term explicitly probably because > they are unfamiliar with it. I kno

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Joe Smith
"Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Claiming that what Martin did was good since he was showing something useful for our community is equivalent to saying it was a "red team attack". Nobody used that term explicitly probably because t

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christoph Haas wrote: > > I'm currently looking into several systems. Usually I use Subversion and > svn-buildpackage but due to a lot of trouble with svn-buildpackage I > have moved away from repositories for my Debian packages lately. > Out of curiousity, what problems have you encountered with

Invitation From Pingo.com

2006-05-30 Thread Phone Card Partnership
Dear Debian Devel, I’m personally emailing you today to discuss a partnership. I noticed that your web site debian.org has linked to Tel3. Pingo is a virtual VoIP calling card service that helps the world save on there long distance and international calls. I'm sending you this invitation to

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, if KSPs are not changed, then the Web of trust becomes > effectively worthless. Manoj should be far more concerned about > that, then about Martin's demonstration of this. Personally, I'm especially worried about the developers who were taken in by t

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.05.30.1920 +0200]: > I do agree with Manoj that this was *not* a legitimate experiment (i.e. > not a "red team" test) and that Martin *did* abuse our [0] trust [1] I acknowledge this and would like to apologise to everyone. My

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.05.30.2002 +0200]: > Personally, I'm especially worried about the developers who were > taken in by the Transnational Republic ID. So, can we have > a "fess up" time now? Manoj, did you sign the key on this basis? He did not. -- Please

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Andreas Metzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: > On (29/05/06 21:29), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] >> * gnutls, gcrypt, libtasn1, libksba >> (security-critical, some work required, having a team for these >> packages

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:45:10PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Christoph Haas wrote: > > > > I'm currently looking into several systems. Usually I use Subversion and > > svn-buildpackage but due to a lot of trouble with svn-buildpackage I > > have moved away from repositories for my Debian

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 10:40, Joe Smith wrote: > But Martin decided to publish this experiment. > Is this really a bad thing? He proved that KSP are bad for the web of > trust. Isn't what Martin and this thread actually demonstrated is that signing keys based on IDs you cannot reasonably authent

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.05.30.2120 +0200]: > Even the guy at 7-Eleven has the big book of north american ID cards with > pictures and descriptions of what makes a real one for when they encounter an > ID that they've never seen before. Surely Debian can do as well as t

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Andreas Fester
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for all your answers, my package successfully transformed to its new name with apt-get dist-upgrade in my test environment :-) One last question: would it be safe to say Architecture: all in the dummy transition package since it does not cont

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Andreas Fester [Tue, 30 May 2006 21:42:27 +0200]: > One last question: would it be safe to say > Architecture: all > in the dummy transition package since it does not contain > any architecture specific files anymore, or is it better to > leave it as it is with "Architecture: any" to create >

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:20:14PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > Even the guy at 7-Eleven has the big book of north american ID cards with > pictures and descriptions of what makes a real one for when they encounter an > ID that they've never seen before. Surely Debian can do as well as the guy

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:48:14PM +0200, I (Christoph Haas) wrote: > * svn-inject > > Injecting new packages through svn-inject fails here. I get errors about > the MKCOL method not being allowed on the remote WebDAV server. Perhaps > it's a problem that the Apache runs on Sarge while I'm develop

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Falk Hueffner
Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On arm, ia64 and alpha the glibc fails to build with gcc-4.1. On Alpha the problem is: {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:341: Error: macro requires $at register while noat in effect {standard input}:374: Error: macro requires $at

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-30 22:19]: > [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] > at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: > > * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, > * and three larger ones, each of which

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Fisher
Is it posible to have a minimum size image with a WM that can stay below 125MB? This would be a great size for USB versions and versions running under Qemu or VMWare. Just a thought. desNotes On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies ple

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Falk Hueffner a écrit : Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On arm, ia64 and alpha the glibc fails to build with gcc-4.1. On Alpha the problem is: {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:341: Error: macro requires $at register while noat in effect {standard input}:374

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Török Edvin
On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which conta

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
wrote: > * gnulib > (easy pickings; need to package new Upstream from CVS, every month or so) I'll take that. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Falk Hueffner
Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Falk Hueffner a écrit : >> Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>>On arm, ia64 and alpha the glibc fails to build with gcc-4.1. >> On Alpha the problem is: >> {standard input}: Assembler messages: >> {standard input}:341: Error: macro requires

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 13:02, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:20:14PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Even the guy at 7-Eleven has the big book of north american ID cards with > > pictures and descriptions of what makes a real one for when they > > encounter an ID that they've neve

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christoph Haas wrote: > > Yes, of course. Besides some minor things I don't quite like about > Subversion (merging looks like black magic for me and getting out old > revisions of a file means typing the full URL for no reason) these are > the actual problems I encountered with svn-buildpackage: >

Re: bits from the release team: release goals, python, X.org, amd64, timeline

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:50:16PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:05:26PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Timeline > > > > Now, let's please take a more detailed look at the time line: > > Thu 15 Jun 06: > > last chance to switch to gcc 4.1, pyth

Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
[ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it (gn

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:29:34PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > * gnulib > (easy pickings; need to package new Upstream from CVS, every month or so) I ported quite a lot of C software between IRIX/SunOS/AIX/Linux, so I'll take it. > * tcng > (some clean-up required) I have some idea about

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Falk Hueffner wrote: > Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Falk Hueffner a écrit : > >> Aurelien Jarno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >>>On arm, ia64 and alpha the glibc fails to build with gcc-4.1. > >> On Alpha the problem is: > >> {standard input}: Assembler messages: > >> {sta

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Linas Žvirblis
Paul Johnson wrote: >> See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent >> can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than $50. Several >> years ago, a friend of mine actually asked someone at the Stadion >> 10-lecia in Warsaw, and was led to a guy with a number of blan

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Paul Johnson said: > On Tuesday 30 May 2006 13:02, Adam Borowski wrote: > > See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian > > accent can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than $50. > > Several years ago, a friend of mine actually asked someon

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
Nico Golde wrote: > Would be useful if you could provide the package lists for > the two images so we can see whats already included and send > you patches. The small one contains the standard system only, means, packages which have Priority: standard and nothing more. That's about 80MB (the ima

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:57:18PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 30 May 2006 13:02, Adam Borowski wrote: > > See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent > > can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than $50. Several > > years ago, a friend of mine actual

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
Michael Fisher wrote: > Is it posible to have a minimum size image with a WM that can stay > below 125MB? This would be a great size for USB versions and versions > running under Qemu or VMWare. Just a thought. Yes, but those mini-images are separate thing we do anyway (or provide an easy possibli

Bug#369600: ITP: evolution-jescs -- Evolution Connector for Sun Java Enterprise System Calendar Server (SJESCS)

2006-05-30 Thread Heikki Henriksen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Heikki Henriksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: evolution-jescs Version : 2.6.2 Upstream Author : Several Authors * URL : http://www.go-evolution.org/Evolution_JESCS * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 29-May-06, 03:57 (CDT), Ralf Wildenhues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, libtool scripts are a bit more complex. Unrelated though, > Libtool records the shell and its features; if you change /bin/sh > from bash to dash, the installed /usr/bin/libtool will have its > $echo setting wrong, and

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
Eric Cooper wrote: > I suggest that you provide the same packages that Knoppix does (as long > as they're free), since Knoppix has been out there with a real user > community for several years now. No need to reinvent the wheel. True, but knoppix is i386/amd64 only. Debian Live works on i386/amd6

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 14:26, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:57:18PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 May 2006 13:02, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent > > > can sell you a perfectly valid passport for le

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 14:15, Linas Žvirblis wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >> See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent > >> can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than $50. Several > >> years ago, a friend of mine actually asked someone at the Stadion > >> 1

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:32:15AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > I am actually quite ambivalent about whether I think what he did was > wrong; I think to determine that I would need to read carefully what > the KSP organizers said. Martin certainly should follow the protocols > established,

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