Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matthias Urlichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > There is no shortage of opinions about what "we" should do, but there is > > unlikely to be any action until an "I" arises who actually does the work. > > This has been discussed over and over with the same result each

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > There are no mirrors of security.debian.org, and have not been for as long > as I have been aware. See the security team FAQ. deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian-security/ stable/updates main > Do you honestly think would be a

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread LapTop006
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman arranged a set of bits into the following: > There are no mirrors of security.debian.org, and have not been for as long > as I have been aware. See the security team FAQ. FALSE. There are at least several mirrors. I myself use them as for

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Christian Couder
Manoj Srivastava wrote : > On Tue, 13 May 2003 09:12:25 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Maintainers or developers do not have a say on how translations are > > done except for gettext sintax errors. If you do not like how a > > translation team works, but

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-15 Thread Andreas Metzler
Clay Crouch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My most humble apologies. > It has become quite clear that the culture that the DD community > shares has evolved in my absence. My absence disallowed me to > evolve with it. The culture you now enjoy is not the one I left. > I truly didn't expect to be at

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-15 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 15 May 2003 14:37, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Ahem. Your email wouls have to contain a few highly unlikely phrases to be > classified as "uncertain" by me. FWIW, yours ends up as > > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-42.6 required=5.0 Sorry, if you are only using that when spamassasin records it as

Re: Answers to "Why is package X not in testing yet?"

2003-05-15 Thread Björn Stenberg
Joe Buck wrote: > However, the output is redundant in many cases. Fixed now. -- Björn

RE:回复:合作

2003-05-15 Thread
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Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wednesday 14 May 2003 16:05, Mark Brown wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:24:25PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > Usually this is controlled by the Content-Disposition: header. > > "Content-Disposition: inline" should be displayed inline; > > "Content-Disposition: attachment" will often be hidd

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:57:58PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:14:53AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > >I'm sorry, I am on a public terminal, and can't quite remember where I > >read it - But testing should always be close to a releasable state. > > That assumption is both

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Björn Stenberg
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > This is, after all, more than just a herd of cats. > How on earth did you get that quaint idea? >From looking at Debian. It is far more structured, organised and controlled than the great majority of free software projects out there. > If you want a universally held fi

Re: Do not touch l10n files [without notifying translators]

2003-05-15 Thread Martin Quinson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:03:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 19:17:50 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> said: > > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:18:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> As a package developer I hold veto powers over anything

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: >> (a) Before I do something like that, I'd need to be accepted as DD. > > False statement. So non-DDs can get accounts on Debian machines to setup something like this (install FTP directories, setup autobuilders, etc.)? If that's so, cool, I'll have free time in two we

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Björn Stenberg
Keegan Quinn wrote: > Funny how myself and every admin I know have only very minor issues with > running unstable. What, pray tell, makes it such an 'obvious' non-option > for end users? How about constantly repeated statements to the effect? "So you did not even look at the release announcement

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: > honestly, if you care enough about what other people think to not take > any action on your own chances are pretty good whatever you did wouldn't > get very far anyway. My approach is somewhat different. I freely admit that I'm fairly new to Debian and probably have som

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Chris Leishman wrote: >> - If the build is successful, it's available for apt-getting from >> testing-updates; otherwise the maintainer gets a helpful ;-) email. > > I'm just curious why the updates couldn't just go straight into testing > itself. It's not as if the testing distribution is

mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
Hello! I was wondering how to improve mailcap system to become useful. First step was to able mc use mailcap. Now, I want to make nautilus to use mailcap. And I have a few questions. 1. Where nautilus (gnome2?) keeps info about mime types? 2. (more complicated) Does run-mailcap differs x and non

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Take the harden package, or create something similar: a package that > > conflicts with all versions of packages with known security holes. > > Why not just /fix/ the hol

Re: Questions regarding utf-8

2003-05-15 Thread Andreas Metzler
Bob Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks to all who replied to my recent question on this subject. > Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> With glibc I'd use >> iconv --from=SRC-ENCODING --to=DST-ENCODING//TRANSLIT >> if it is acceptable to change the length of strings. This

Re: A strawman proposal: "testing-x86"

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:51:42AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 09:14:20 -0400, Theodore Ts'o <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > If that's the case, then maybe the testing distribution has outlived > > its usefulness. But if people feel otherwise, then it would make > > sens

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 03:19:02PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > There are no mirrors of security.debian.org, and have not been for as long > > as I have been aware. See the security team FAQ. > > deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: > On Wednesday 14 May 2003 04:53 pm, Björn Stenberg wrote: > > What's worse, saying testing is not for public use means there is _no_ > > place to get updates, since unstable is obviously not an option for end > > users. This makes Debia

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:10:35AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:22:27AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:02:27PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > This is a far cry from ``Do not touch l10n files''. > > > > Hey, this was the subject, I had

partimage on powerpc

2003-05-15 Thread Sergio Rua
Hello, > # partimage > > Error: volume hedaer size != 512 (520) > This version has been compiled with an uncompatible version of > gcc. I received this bug report (#193391) today and I cannot reproduce it on i386. Looks like a problem on powerpc. I'm not very familiar with powerpc.

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:17:50PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: [...] > > As a package developer I hold veto powers over anything > > shipped in my package, since it is my signature that goes with it, > > and I am responsible for all bugs. > > You do hold upstream responsibl

possible problem for debian was [NTP considered basic] misc@openbsd.org

2003-05-15 Thread Uwe A. P. Wuerdinger
Hi, I just catched this conversation on the misc OpenBSD mailinglist. Does this in any way afflict debian? greets Uwe -- X-Tec GmbH Institute for Computer and Network Security WWW : http://www.x-tec.de/ IPv6: http://www.ipv6.x-tec.de/ --- Begin Message --- > I'd like to encourage the OpenBSD develo

Bug#193399: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version

2003-05-15 Thread TSUCHIYA Masatoshi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: latex209 Version : 25.mar.1992 Upstream Author : Leslie Lamport * URL or Web page : ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/obsolete/macros/latex209/distribs/latex209.tar.gz * License : Public Domain Description : Commands and

Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
Hi, There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages. Unfortunately this leads to conflicts when a translation is first shipped by the latter, then incorporated into the former (e.g. when it becomes part of

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-15 Thread Amaya
There must be some mistake :-m Joey Hess dijo: > Tor Slettnes > mindi > mondo > smail > xcdroast > yard > zmailer > zmailer-ssl These are Héctor García's and he is not MIA at all. What happened? -- I would rather starve than lose your accept

RE:回复: 合作

2003-05-15 Thread
对不起 打扰之处请见谅 本公司是一家专业致力于网络服务的专业性公司,提供高质空间,优质服务,为您建设网站提供必不可少的各类型空间及域名; 域名80元 送20个次级域名 标准主机空间 100M网站空间+100M邮局空间 可支持asp/php/cgi/access 可运行论坛程序200元/年 不论您是单位企业还是个人,我们都将竭诚为您提供贴身个性化的网络支持服务 同时本公司还推出网站建设服务,最低999元就可让您拥有包含:空间+域名+邮局+网页 的完整网站 同时为只需简单介绍各类信息的个人及企业提供网站简化模式――网络名片 最低只需100元/年 如果您在单位里不

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:04:39AM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > Hello! > > I was wondering how to improve mailcap system to become useful. > First step was to able mc use mailcap. Now, I want to make nautilus to > use mailcap. And I have a few questions. > > 1. Where nautilus (gnome2?) keeps info about

Re: Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:24:14AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > Hi, > > There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should > be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages. > Unfortunately this leads to conflicts when a translation is first > shipped by t

Re: Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:24:14AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should > be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages. > Unfortunately this leads to conflicts when a translation is first > shipped by the latter

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W liście z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 11:54, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > If you already parsed mailcap into mc's configuration, you should've > seen this (picking out a random one): > > application/vnd.sun.xml.draw; openoffice '%s'; edit=openoffice '%s'; > test=test "$DISPLAY" != "" ; description="Open

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-15 Thread Amaya
Sorry, my terminal was too small to check all the replies in the thread, including Hector's himself 0:-) Glad to see this clarified. -- I would rather starve than lose your acceptance .''`.My eyes will always show my empty soul : :' :- Boy Sets Fire

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-15 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030514 15:42]: > organization, though. Tollef, do you know if there'll be wireless base > stations around or, will we be doing ad-hoc mode?) yes, there will be wlan. not user about the mode of operation. and there will also be some stationary pcs there.

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > Take the harden package, or create something similar: a package that > > > conflicts with all versions o

Re: fwctl and ipchains-perl - any takers?

2003-05-15 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-04-27 18:12]: > Martin, while maintaining the archive, contacted me, because he wanted to > remove the orpahaned ipchains-perl module. He noticed, that my fwctl is > depending on it. > > So here is my question, is anybody willing to take over fwctl/ipch

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Thom May
Ok, I've been trying to stay out of this as much as possible, since I think Denis' original post: > > So I would like to ask developers not to edit l10n files (templates, > > PO files, etc) themselves; if you believe that something goes wrong, > > notify the translator or his translation team

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:11:03PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 11:54, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > > If you already parsed mailcap into mc's configuration, you should've > > seen this (picking out a random one): > > > > application/vnd.sun.xml.draw; openoffice '%s'; edit=

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > > Take the harden package, or creat

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > > Take the harden package, or creat

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W liście z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:00, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > Here's your error: if you do that, it's not the user who can change his > browser, but the system administrator. Those two are not always the > same. But, does it eliminate my soluton? As you wrote later, user always can change /et

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:24:42PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:00, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > > Here's your error: if you do that, it's not the user who can change his > > browser, but the system administrator. Those two are not always the > > same. > > But, does it

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W liście z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:30, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > I really think it would be a bad idea to go the alternatives road here. But why? Could you give me any reasons? I've said why yes, so you tell why not ;] > If you must, you could write a front-end that parses /etc/mailcap, and > f

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Michał Politowski
On Thu, 15 May 2003 12:11:03 +0200, mcINEK wrote: [...] > We see a conflict. It doesn't matter how many browser user installed, > always will be run galeon (it's above so it's first - am I right?). > > The best solution, I think, is that galeon (mozilla, etc) shouldn't > provide a /etc/mailcap rec

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:35:22PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:30, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > > I really think it would be a bad idea to go the alternatives road here. > > But why? Could you give me any reasons? I've said why yes, so you tell > why not ;] Alternativ

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:13:59AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:1

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W liście z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 13:49, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > Alternatives and mailcap are two different worlds. Please keep them > separated. OK, so leave alternatives. > > It won't work, because the aren't any 'standards'. I don't have idea how > > make x/non-x choice from mailcap. I REALL

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:04:14PM +0100, Thom May wrote: > Ok, I've been trying to stay out of this as much as possible, since I think > Denis' original post: > > > So I would like to ask developers not to edit l10n files (templates, > > > PO files, etc) themselves; if you believe that somethi

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Thom May
* Denis Barbier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:04:14PM +0100, Thom May wrote: > > I'm also quite upset to see off hand insults - I've never claimed to "know > > what a foreign language should look like", what we've asked is for a > > rational explanation as to why when we

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:13:32PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > > > It won't work, because the aren't any 'standards'. I don't have idea how > > > make x/non-x choice from mailcap. I REALLY think alternatives could be > > > good. > > > > It's done in there, all over the place! There's a 'test' option, w

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Colin Watson | (I'm not involved with the organization, though. Tollef, do you know | if there'll be wireless base stations around or, will we be doing | ad-hoc mode?) The area is covered with WLANs already, but we'll have a few switches for people who don't have wireless. -- Tollef Fog Heen

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W liście z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 14:30, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > Uh. You can create such a tree in-memory, no? Parsing the file is not > *that* hard. Of course, I can. But I don't understand why don't improve BAD mechanism. If sth is bad and doesn't pass our requests we should change it. Is upda

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:26:35PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:13:59AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:1

Re: possible problem for debian was [NTP considered basic] misc@openbsd.org

2003-05-15 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Thu, May 15, 2003, Uwe A. P. Wuerdinger wrote: > I just catched this conversation on the misc OpenBSD mailinglist. > Does this in any way afflict debian? This subject has already been discussed forever on debian-legal. The general consensus is that "without fee" does not mean "you may redis

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matthias Urlichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: > > >> (a) Before I do something like that, I'd need to be accepted as DD. > > > > False statement. > > So non-DDs can get accounts on Debian machines to setup something like > this (install FTP directories, setup autobuild

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: > Hmm. Funny how myself and every admin I know have only very minor issues > with > running unstable. What, pray tell, makes it such an 'obvious' non-option for > end users? Well-timed unstable snapshots are often more 'stable' th

Re: Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:09:08AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > I think it is proper to include translated man pages with original man > pages, and to use apt-localepurge (now) or dpkg exclusions (when they're > implemented) if people are worried about space. My gut feeling is that I believe this

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeu 15/05/2003 à 14:49, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : > The area is covered with WLANs already, but we'll have a few switches > for people who don't have wireless. Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a laptop ? -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ :

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:46:34PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 14:30, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > > Uh. You can create such a tree in-memory, no? Parsing the file is not > > *that* hard. > > Of course, I can. But I don't understand why don't improve BAD > mechanism. I f

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:52:26AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Matthias Urlichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > > >> (a) Before I do something like that, I'd need to be accepted as DD. > > > > > > False statement. > > > > So non-DDs can get accounts on Debian ma

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 15, 2003, someone calling themselves "LapTop006" wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman arranged a set of > bits into the following: > > There are no mirrors of security.debian.org, and have not been for as long > > as I have been aware. See the security te

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W liście z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 15:23, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > I fail to see why it would be bad. It's not perfect, but that's far from > the same thing. Moreover, I think your ideas would make things worse, > rather than better. It's not perfect. Importand bugs are for me: * doesn't allow to

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 07:32:55AM +0200, Christian Couder wrote: > The situation is very different from the situation maintainer face with > upstream code because in fact apt should be able to install l10n packages > related to a given program package when it installs the program package. > S

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:27:07PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote: > >> so maybe it was actually only filed in my brain (which has no web > >> interface) ... > > > We need a bug system for developer's brains. > > Agreed... > > $ mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -s "Misplacement of apostrophes" > Package: do

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:25:56PM +0100, Thom May wrote: > * Denis Barbier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:04:14PM +0100, Thom May wrote: > > > I'm also quite upset to see off hand insults - I've never claimed to "know > > > what a foreign language should look like", wha

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 03:35:33PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 15:23, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > > I fail to see why it would be bad. It's not perfect, but that's far from > > the same thing. Moreover, I think your ideas would make things worse, > > rather than better. >

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 03:19:02PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:59:49PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Do you honestly think would be a good idea to use testing-security this way > > on a continual basis? > > Yes, I do. I think we should release DSA's for security

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:53:50PM -0400, Don Armstrong wrote: > Manoj's answer, while witty, is closer to the mark than you may > realize. > > Debian will always be for whoever the people contributing to Debian > are willing/want it to be for. No more, no less. Um, when we all agreed to be Debia

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W liście z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 15:42, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > Yes it does. Create a ~/.mailcap with the application of your choice for > a given MIME-type at the top. > > My suggestion of a front-end was to create some application that would > help $USER to manage ~/.mailcap. I think it's go

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: > > Sure, every now and then a badly-broken package makes it in for a > day or two. This seems to be far less harmful than the massive > headache that treating 'testing' as a usable release seems to be > causing. Something that would

Proposal of removing MOSIX stuff

2003-05-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
Hi all Currently we have both OpenMosix and Mosix in our main archive. See http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.mosix.com/ for background information. Both software provide the same features for clustering (but IMHO OpenMosix is more actively developed and has more prospectives, e.g.

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On 14 May 2003, Joachim Breitner wrote: > > I would recommend this. When I was in Bordeaux in 2000 without my own > > Laptop > > it was much less fun. :-( The educational effect decreases drastically! > Well, that sould definatly interesting. I just hope I manage to get a > laptop 'till then. O

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Luther wrote: > You again forget that debian is not x86 only, or do you expect Matthias > to have access to machines of all the supported arches ? > Right. Besides, I don't want to do this on my own, I want to do this as part of Debian. I don't yet know enough about the setup of testing

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 04:05:28PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > > Please point me to where I said we should leave things as they are. > You didn't say that, but you want use *minimal* solution, which aren't > always good. > > PS1. Windows are done this way. MS created took w2k and sticked > more,more an

Michael-John Turner MIA? (was: Debian MIA check)

2003-05-15 Thread Paul Slootman
On Tue 13 May 2003, James Troup wrote: > Of the 191 pings were sent out: > o 34 people's ping bounced[1]. > o 28 people replied asking to be retired. > o 29 people replied with various different responses. > o 10 people replied who were active. > o 90 people didn't reply within the 2 month de

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread David Z Maze
"Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Q: is content-disposition handled properly, especially for > messag/rfc822 type attachments? (Or if not, are message attachments > displayed inline by default?) Gnus: yes (since 5.8.0, the first MIME-aware version) > (Y

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread mcINEK
W liście z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 16:38, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > What's that supposed to mean? Doing that does have its advantages, too > (such as "you don't have to re-integrate everything with the new > system"). > > Granted, pushing that to extremes will end you up with an unworkable > system

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:19:08AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > >If unstable has a fix for the bug, then it is a waste of time to work on > > >testing because users can just upgrade. If unstable does not have a fix > > >for the bug, then it is still a waste of time because unstable needs to >

Re: partimage on powerpc

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sergio Rua wrote: >> # partimage >> >> Error: volume hedaer size != 512 (520) >> This version has been compiled with an uncompatible version of >> gcc. > I'll check. Sergio: Which source package from where, please? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAI

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: > > > > Sure, every now and then a badly-broken package makes it in for a > > day or two. This seems to be far less harmful than the massive > > headache that treating 't

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: > > > > Sure, every now and then a badly-broken package makes it in for a > > day or two. This seems to be far less harmful than the massive > > headache that treating 't

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > package to re-install. If you're not a developer, you don't have > access to archives, so your choice is to either go back to the stable > or testing version of the package, or try to find a mirror that still With the pool system t

Re: mailcap next step

2003-05-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 04:53:32PM +0200, mcINEK wrote: > W li?cie z czw, 15-05-2003, godz. 16:38, Wouter Verhelst pisze: > > What's that supposed to mean? Doing that does have its advantages, too > > (such as "you don't have to re-integrate everything with the new > > system"). > > > > Granted,

Re: Bug#193399: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version

2003-05-15 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 06:15:07PM +0900, TSUCHIYA Masatoshi wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: latex209 > Version : 25.mar.1992 > Upstream Author : Leslie Lamport > * URL or Web page : > ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/obsolete/macros/latex209/distribs

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Luther wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:26:35PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: >> No, it's sitting there, waiting for someone to use it. After a year's >> neglect it might need some metaphorical oil on its hinges and some >> dusting, but it really is there. I'm not just saying this for >>

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > In that case, I invite any maintainer with a security fix for their package > in 'testing' to upload it to testing for testing-proposed-updates. Problem > solved. Are you the one who will be responsible for reviewing the > packages? testing, in the absence of a freez

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:52:26AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > * Matthias Urlichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Hi, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > > > > >> (a) Before I do something like that, I'd need to be accepted as DD. > > > > > > > > False state

Re: A strawman proposal: "testing-x86"

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Luther wrote: > [...] and gave the impression that testing was more > stable/secure/preferable/whatever to unstable [...] That was my first impression too. > I don't say that what you say is wrong, just that people are not aware > of it, because we did tell them differently back then.

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 04:22:30AM -0700, David Nusinow wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matthias Urlichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > You again forget that debian is not x86 only, or do you expect Matthias > > to have access to machines of all the supported arches ? > > > Right. Wrong, as I pointed out in my other message. > Besides, I don't want to do this

Re: Michael-John Turner MIA? (was: Debian MIA check)

2003-05-15 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-15 16:44]: > It's about bugs in mrtg that caused me to look for him. > It may be necessary to hijack his packages if he is in fact MIA. mj: 2003-03-21: Contact 2003-03-22: NMU by schepler: wmmatrix 2003-03-23: willfix I didn't check yet whe

Re: Where are translated man pages packaged?

2003-05-15 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:09:08AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 11:24:14AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > > There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should > > be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages. > > Unfortunately this

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:47:34AM -0400, David Z Maze wrote: > "Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > (Yes, I've stopped caring about users of a certain other widespread MUA, as > > you've probably guessed anyway when you notice me using PGP/MIME to sign > > messa

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:37:51PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: > > > > Sure, every now and then a badly-broken package makes it in for a > > day or two. This seems to be far less harmful than the massive > > headache that treating 't

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 04:16:39PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > Sven Luther wrote: > > You again forget that debian is not x86 only, or do you expect Matthias > > to have access to machines of all the supported arches ? > > > Right. > > Besides, I don't want to do this on my own, I wa

Kernel 2.5.69 problem

2003-05-15 Thread Victor Torrico
I compiled and ran the debian kernel-source-2.5.69 package. It boots OK, however, none of he modutil functions work. I keep getting the following error message: "QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" whenever I try things such as insmod, lsmod, or depmod. I suspect the source for this was o

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 10:47:34AM -0400, David Z Maze wrote: > "Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Q: is content-disposition handled properly, especially for > > messag/rfc822 type attachments? (Or if not, are message attachments > > displayed inline by defaul

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Steve Langasek wrote: > If none of the people who are in a > position to approve packages for inclusion in testing or > testing-security are willing to commit resources to doing so ... or if the process is (or can be) sufficiently automated that the general case doesn't need any human interve

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