Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 11:27:31PM -0500, Clay Crouch wrote: > I hate to start off my return to the Project this way, but I just can't let > this one go unanswered. :^( Perhaps not, but you could have answered more civilly. A triumphant return, indeed. But, if we must... > On Tue, May 13, 2003

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Denis Barbier
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:36:53PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:04:43PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Do we have such standard document for the original english description ? > > > No, and there is

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
Please get this OFF of debian-private and onto -devel. Quote me anywhere. On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 11:23:52AM +0300, Chris Leishman wrote: Security should be important in the testing distribution. [etc. etc. etc.] If you want to see security updates for 'testing', then start preparing security up

security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Chris Leishman
My 2c worth Security should be important in the testing distribution. I think it's fine to say that testing is not guaranteed to be stable, that bugs in packages may very well be present and that you shouldn't run testing if your not willing to accept that risk. I think it's another thing

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Paul Hampson
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > Bonjour, > > I am french and I don't regard the 'Imprimerie Nationale' rules as binding. > We are still a free country. > > Do we have such standard document for the original english description ? > No, and there is no dedicated te

[OT] Storms (Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue))

2003-05-14 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:05:29PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:27:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > We have a similar expression in (American) English. It's a "tempest in > > a teapot". > > "Storm in a teacup" for British English. :-) "Tormenta en un vaso de ag

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Chris Leishman
On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 05:20 PM, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Please get this OFF of debian-private and onto -devel. Quote me anywhere. Redirected thread to debian-devel. If you want to see security updates for 'testing', then start preparing security updates for 'testing'. It does not help to de

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 12:25:24PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > > The translation team. Any other scheme is flawed and tends to problems > > (people doing the same work will collide, it has happened in the past with > > translations and will happen in the future if the maintainer, and not

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:11:45AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 11:27:31PM -0500, Clay Crouch wrote: > > > Can the QA team use an additional 5-20 hours a week of volunteer help > > from an already-registered Developer? > > I'm afraid they can't hear you. They have their

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 09:12:25 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Maintainers or developers do not have a say on how translations are > done except for gettext sintax errors. If you do not like how a > translation team works, but you do not understand the language, >

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Peter Makholm
Clay Crouch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:48:45PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> That .sig is problematic beyond just its content; it is 12 lines long and >> adds almost 1kb to each of your messages (probably longer than the contents >> of many messages). > Pleased to

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 22:04:43 +0200, Denis Barbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Sure it is. If they believe that the translator is wrong, they can > ask a trusted person of their own to review the translation. It is > silly that people who do not speak a foreign language can have a > judgement on

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Denis Barbier) | I sent a templates.fr file for cvs in #136340, which has been included | in 1.11.1p1debian-4. I do not know if this file was included verbatim, | but 1.11.1p1debian-8 did not contain any 0xa0 characters (in ISO-8859-1 | encoding) which were replaced by normal spaces. Now Tol

Re: Please notify the maintainers when removing packages

2003-05-14 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-07 12:18]: > On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 09:44:54AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: >> But they *should* read the bug mail they receive, and I guess that was >> Michaels point. If they don't read their bug mails they don't seem to >> care about their package any

Re: can touch(1) readonly files

2003-05-14 Thread Dan Jacobson
I see, if I wanted chmod 444 to stop me from touch(1)ing my files, then I would have to give up $ chmod 0 x; ls -l x -- 1 jidanni jidanni 0 2003-05-14 07:38 x listing my files. Ok, over and out.

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 23:27:31 -0500, Clay Crouch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hmmm An ettiquette lesson before a "welcome back" and a work > assignemnt, just because you find my anti-spam measures draconian > and my filter bypass info in my sig to be annoying. > Charming, to be sure > Ple

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:07:16AM +0300, Chris Leishman wrote: > Actually - I didn't suggest this. I suggested there should be some > consensus on what to do about security problems in testing - my main > suggestion is that packages should be simply removed and the user > notified of what acti

Re: Please notify the maintainers when removing packages

2003-05-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:55:36AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-07 12:18]: > > On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 09:44:54AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > >> But they *should* read the bug mail they receive, and I guess that was > >> Michaels point. If they don't

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-14 Thread Héctor García Álvarez
El mar, 13 de 05 de 2003 a las 18:11, Joey Hess escribió: > Tor Slettnes > mindi > mondo > smail > xcdroast > yard > zmailer > zmailer-ssl I am the maintainer for those packages and I'm not MIA for the moment. Please check your list again. BTW, if someone

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > Or do you send one of those obnoxious autoreplies asking people to > confirm their messages to you? FWIW, if they are only sent in reply to "spam status dubious" messages, I wouldn't call them obnoxious. I agree, though, that an auto-bit-bucket, which doesn't _at_leas

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Martin Quinson
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 12:57:51PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003, Martin Quinson wrote: > > > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 09:42:16AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > > > > > > If you really believe that the apache description should be improved than > > > you file a

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-14 Thread Simon Huggins
Hiya, On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 11:25:49AM +0200, Héctor García Álvarez wrote: > El mar, 13 de 05 de 2003 a las 18:11, Joey Hess escribió: > > Tor Slettnes > I am the maintainer for those packages and I'm not MIA for the moment. > Please check your list again. > Héctor García Álvarez <[EMAIL PROTECT

DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-14 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Hi, I tried this already on debian-mentors, but maybe the right persons are here: I am considering going to DebConf 3. Now Oslo is not really close (I live in southern germany), and being a High School student, I would have to argue with my principal whether I may go or not during school tim

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Chris Leishman
On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 11:22 AM, Anthony Towns wrote: This isn't possible in general; when mysql has a security problem you can't just tell people to (a) not use it, or (b) just run the unstable/stable version anyway, in spite of whatever reasons they based their decision to use testing on

Gnome2, libgtk2 & gtk2 apps like gaim / mozilla

2003-05-14 Thread Sander Smeenk
Hi, Since I while I am forced to shut down my Linux workstation when I leave my workplace. And since then I noticed that every time I boot again, and start my X, and open my apps like Gaim and Mozilla, the font used is HUGE (Helvetica, 12px, or something), while I have set the font to be Verdana,

Re: Please notify the maintainers when removing packages

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:15:44PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> They will complain about Debian, not about their package's maintainer, >> when they upgrade to Sarge and the program they've been using is >> irretrievably auto-deinstalled. :-( > > Does this happe

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:40:17AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > > > > Telling them 'you do not speak french, so don't try to understand' is > > > > not acceptable. > > > > > > Sure it is. If they believe that the translator is wrong, they can > > > ask a trusted person of their own to review the

Re: Gnome2, libgtk2 & gtk2 apps like gaim / mozilla

2003-05-14 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 12:22, Sander Smeenk wrote: > Hi, > > Since I while I am forced to shut down my Linux workstation when I leave > my workplace. And since then I noticed that every time I boot again, and > start my X, and open my apps like Gaim and Mozilla, the font used is > HUGE (Helvetica,

"Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
I hate "inline" mail forwarding. It loses information, breaks programs (inline-quoted mails typically get "From:" replaced by ">From:" at some step), and makes things like signature checking needlessly complicated. debbugs forwards some emails as inline attachments, notably the "bug has been marke

Re: Gnome2, libgtk2 & gtk2 apps like gaim / mozilla

2003-05-14 Thread Sander Smeenk
Quoting Ross Burton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Since I while I am forced to shut down my Linux workstation when I leave > > my workplace. > If you don't want to start GNOME via gnome-session (you can remove the > panel from the session if you wish) you must run "gnome-settings-daemon" > in your sta

Re: Gnome2, libgtk2 & gtk2 apps like gaim / mozilla

2003-05-14 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> I don't use Gnome2 as a desktop manager, eg. I don't have panels > running, I only use gaim, which links against libgtk2. So the problem > is where gaim (and other libgtk2 using apps) don't start some > component that gnome-control-center does start to load my own > preferences. Just set it in ~

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-14 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 11:51:53AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > If you know how to reach any of the people listed in [1] and [2] below, > > please feel free to contact them and get them to reply to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Is there a mnemonic for that? I.e., does "wat" stand for something?

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Chris Leishman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I care about security in testing, and I believe others do too. But I > don't think the process should be the same as with stable releases. > Testing should not become another psudo stable distributionit's > for testing. So I don't think security ma

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On 14 May 2003, Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, I tried this already on debian-mentors, but maybe the right persons are > here: The best list for this kind of discussion is probably debian-events-eu. > I am considering going to DebConf 3. Now Oslo is not really close (I > live in southern germany),

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 11:27:31PM -0500, Clay Crouch wrote: > *plonk* > *plonk* > Can the QA team use an additional 5-20 hours a week of volunteer help > from an already-registered Developer? Could the Project use another > Alpha autobuilder? If not The Project always needs more help, but

Re: Gnome2, libgtk2 & gtk2 apps like gaim / mozilla

2003-05-14 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wednesday 14 May 2003 13:22, Sander Smeenk wrote: > Hi, > > Since I while I am forced to shut down my Linux workstation when I leave > my workplace. And since then I noticed that every time I boot again, and > start my X, and open my apps like Gaim and Mozilla, the font used is > HUGE (Helvetica

Re: Gnome2, libgtk2 & gtk2 apps like gaim / mozilla

2003-05-14 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 12:52, Sander Smeenk wrote: > > If you don't want to start GNOME via gnome-session (you can remove the > > panel from the session if you wish) you must run "gnome-settings-daemon" > > in your startup to populate the XSETTINGS database. > > Ok, that sounds logic. Is this docum

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:07:16AM +0300, Chris Leishman wrote: Yes, there are. But all of these loose one of the main reasons I feel we even have a testing distribution - to have people testing it. You are falling into the trap of overselling testing. Having people test testing at this point in

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:29PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote: > > Your engagement for the quality of your package is really great. Only, I > think that you are not responsible of the translation. I know that there is > a lack in debian framework concerning this point, but it really should be so >

xf86config bug

2003-05-14 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, I can't seem to find the package that xf86config belongs to, but the bug is as follows: xf86config writes to /etc/X11/XF86Config, rather than /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, which is the one being read. Anyone know where this bug should be reported to? Many thanks, Neil -- 16 Channels in mode 4 I d

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-14 Thread Simon Richter
Joachim, > I am considering going to DebConf 3. Now Oslo is not really close (I > live in southern germany), and being a High School student, I would have > to argue with my principal whether I may go or not during school time, > so it should be worth the money and effort. I cannot help you on th

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Steve Kemp
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:04:10PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Why not? Testing would be my personal choice for running a desktop (or > laptop) Linux, were I not otherwise involved with Debian development. > The only bad thing is the non-existent security (I could live with > occasional critical

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:46:47PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Unless there's a strong preference to keep things the way they are, I'd > like to prepare a patch to change that -- so speak up now. Many e-mail clients require the user to explicitly open an attached e-mail message in order to v

Re: Please notify the maintainers when removing packages

2003-05-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:33:00PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Richard Braakman wrote: > > On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:15:44PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > >> They will complain about Debian, not about their package's > >> maintainer, when they upgrade to Sarge and the program they've b

A strawman proposal: "testing-x86" (Was: security in testing)

2003-05-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:22:05PM +0300, Chris Leishman wrote: > I care about security in testing, and I believe others do too. But I > don't think the process should be the same as with stable releases. > Testing should not become another psudo stable distributionit's for > testing. So

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Björn Stenberg
Michael Stone wrote: > All the complaints we see every couple of weeks about testing would be swept > away if people followed this advice and simply didn't use testing. This brings back the question I never got an answer for: Who is Debian for? If only stable and unstable are supposed to be used,

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:46:47PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > I hate "inline" mail forwarding. It loses information, breaks programs > (inline-quoted mails typically get "From:" replaced by ">From:" at > some step), and makes things like signature checking needlessly > complicated. > > debbu

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:20:20PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: > Well enough introduction; my main question is: Would it make sense for > me to attend Debcamp. Maybe my idea about DebCamp is wrong, but it > sounds as if it is just a very large debian hacking session, so one > needs to have somet

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:59:41PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:46:47PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > Unless there's a strong preference to keep things the way they are, I'd > > like to prepare a patch to change that -- so speak up now. > > Many e-mail clients require

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:30:38PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:04:10PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > > Why not? Testing would be my personal choice for running a desktop (or > > laptop) Linux, were I not otherwise involved with Debian development. > > The only bad thing is

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What kind of pre-planning is taking place? The idea of security > updates for testing? > > Every time this appears to have been raised it's usually shot down > very quickly; unless I've missed something. Actually the last time (if I searched the arc

Re: Status of Sarge Release Issues (Updated for May)

2003-05-14 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, May 10, 2003 at 10:16:40PM -0400, Morgon Kanter wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 5 May 2003 17:17:20 -0500, Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >I have read that Linus is planning to have 2.6 released before July and > > >ha

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Colin Watson wrote: > Yes, and also it causes nasty problems with character sets. There's at > least one bug filed, and I've been meaning to change it for a while now. True. Color me embarrassed for not checking the bug list before posting. (#131881, for reference) -- Matthias Urlichs |

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Mark Brown wrote: > Many e-mail clients require the user to explicitly open an attached e-mail > message in order to view the contents. IMHO, if your client requires more keystrokes / mouseclicks to open an attachment at the top than to scroll down to some random place near the end of a messa

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:07:16AM +0300, Chris Leishman wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 05:20 PM, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >If you want to see security updates for 'testing', then start preparing > >security updates for 'testing'. It does not help to describe in detail > >what you hope th

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Steve Kemp
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:20:51PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > I haven't seen it be shot down. I've seen people saying "the > infrastructure's there, it's just that nobody's actually doing the > updates", though. Yes I've seen this mentioned previously also. If it's a matter of finding peopl

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:24:25PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > Usually this is controlled by the Content-Disposition: header. > "Content-Disposition: inline" should be displayed inline; > "Content-Disposition: attachment" will often be hidden until explicitly > opened. Assuming the mail client p

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Branden Robinson wrote: > Is there a mnemonic for that? I.e., does "wat" stand for something? Is that email address an alias for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? (ObTLA: mia == "missing in action") -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was s

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Michael Stone wrote: > All the complaints > we see every couple of weeks about testing would be swept away if people > followed this advice and simply didn't use testing. So why is there a "testing" in the first place if nobody's supposed to use it?? Sorry, but I think I agree with the propo

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However, I wasn't aware of any of the pre-plans Kalle refers to. I > didn't think anyone had actually picked up this ball yet. "Pre-plans" in this case means that two people (one DD and one NM) have been talking about it "seriously." So, if you want to sh

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Andreas Tille wrote: > By the > way what kind of school is it which has no holidays at this time? Random factoid: The German sub-states have a staggered school holiday schedule so that the Autobahn will still be somewhat-free _sometimes_ during these six weeks. (Seriously.) Bavaria is last;

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > To the extent that the DDTP gives the package maintainer veto rights, it > seems pretty clear that at least initially the DDTP believed that the > package maintainer was ultimately responsible. It's the maintainer's name and signature on the package, after all. On the

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Martin Quinson wrote: > It must be so in French. Sorry for being pedantic, but "must" is an overly strong word here. You may have valid reasons for not using a comma-separated list here, but French grammar certainly allows comma-separated enumerations if one so desires. (Spoken language, for

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:19:08AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > There are already very clear statements about this. > > http://www.debian.org/releases/ > > testing > The ``testing'' distribution contains packages that haven't been > accepted into a ``stable'' release yet, but they are in th

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:19:08AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:07:16AM +0300, Chris Leishman wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 05:20 PM, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > >If you want to see security updates for 'testing', then start preparing > > >security updates

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:57:09PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, Colin Watson wrote: > > Yes, and also it causes nasty problems with character sets. There's > > at least one bug filed, and I've been meaning to change it for a > > while now. > > True. > > Color me embarrassed for not checki

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:00:17PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: > I'm honestly not sure how much involvement would be necessary, I > guess unlike updates to stable there wouldn't be so many controls upon > the testing archive, and uploads could be made directly without any > real problem. There

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-14 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-14 16:00]: > > Is there a mnemonic for that? I.e., does "wat" stand for something? > Is that email address an alias for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? No. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Hope
On Wed, 14 May 2003, Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... > Hi, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Is there a mnemonic for that? I.e., does "wat" stand for something? > > Is that email address an alias for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? > > (ObTLA: mia == "missing in action") Or should that be awol@

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Steve Langasek
[Back story: this thread started because there is still a vulnerability in the version of Samba in testing, which has been fixed in both stable and unstable. Collateral bugs prevent Samba from propagating from unstable to testing any time soon.] On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 06:22:26PM +1000, Anthony T

Re: "Bug marked as done" messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:58:44PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > attachment at the top than to scroll down to some random place near the > end of a message (depending on how large the close message actually is), > you should switch clients. ;-) Not everyone will be able to do that, of course.

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Christian Couder
On Wednesday 14 May 2003 14:27, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:29PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote: > > Your engagement for the quality of your package is really great. Only, I > > think that you are not responsible of the translation. I know that there > > is a lack in debian fr

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 06:35:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Yes, but this is not something that is clearly said. Many people run > testing without even being aware that there may be security issues, or > more precisely, that the security issues are orders of magnitude worse > than even what is

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Stone dijo [Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:25:45AM -0400]: > >Yes, there are. But all of these loose one of the main reasons I feel > >we even have a testing distribution - to have people testing it. > > You are falling into the trap of overselling testing. Having people test > testing at this

Re: xf86config bug

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:43:10PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > I can't seem to find the package that xf86config belongs to, but the bug > is as follows: apt-get install reportbug reportbug `which xf86config` reportbug will allow you to look at existing bug reports (which you should) before fil

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > IMHO, it is > only particularly valuable for users to run testing when a release is > approaching (at which point security updates and removals take place en > masse). Wasn't testing supposed to be a perpetually mostly-releasable Debian? Anyway, a release is _always_

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-14 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Mit, 2003-05-14 um 14.22 schrieb Andreas Tille: > On 14 May 2003, Joachim Breitner wrote: > > I am considering going to DebConf 3. Now Oslo is not really close (I > > live in southern germany), and being a High School student, I would have > > to argue with my principal whether I may go or

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Martin Quinson
[I only speak for myself, and not for the french translation team neither for the ddtp, in which I'm not involved at all. Please flame *me* for what I say] On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:27:02AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:29PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote: > > > > Your

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 14 May 2003 12:07:29 +0200, Martin Quinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Your engagement for the quality of your package is really > great. Only, I think that you are not responsible of the > translation. The maintainer is responsible for the package. And, unless the translation i

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 14 May 2003 16:27:53 +0200, Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >> To the extent that the DDTP gives the package maintainer veto >> rights, it seems pretty clear that at least initially the DDTP >> believed that the package maintainer was ultimately respo

Re: xf86config bug

2003-05-14 Thread Christoph Haas
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 01:43:10PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > I can't seem to find the package that xf86config belongs to dpkg -S `which xf86config` xbase-clients: /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config Christoph -- ~ ~ ".signature" [Modified] 3 lines --100%--3,41 All

Re: A strawman proposal: "testing-x86" (Was: security in testing)

2003-05-14 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 09:14, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > I've solved the problem for myself by just simply biting the bullet > and using unstable. I either have gotten lucky, or maintainers of > core packages have gotten much more careful about testing their > packages before uploading, so I haven't g

Re: A strawman proposal: "testing-x86"

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 14 May 2003 09:14:20 -0400, Theodore Ts'o <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > If that's the case, then maybe the testing distribution has outlived > its usefulness. But if people feel otherwise, then it would make > sense to think of ways in which testing might be able to be more > true to its o

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 14 May 2003 11:45:48 +0200, Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, > Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> Or do you send one of those obnoxious autoreplies asking people to >> confirm their messages to you? > FWIW, if they are only sent in reply to "spam status dubious" > messages, I would

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 14 May 2003 15:16:38 +0200, Björn Stenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Michael Stone wrote: >> All the complaints we see every couple of weeks about testing would >> be swept away if people followed this advice and simply didn't use >> testing. > This brings back the question I never got

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:24:03PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > However, I wasn't aware of any of the pre-plans Kalle refers to. I > > didn't think anyone had actually picked up this ball yet. > > "Pre-plans" in this case means that two people (one DD

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 14 May 2003 14:27, Clay Crouch wrote: > Hmmm An ettiquette lesson before a "welcome back" and a work > assignemnt, just because you find my anti-spam measures draconian and my > filter bypass info in my sig to be annoying. When such lessons are needed they should be dealt with first.

Re: Gnome2, libgtk2 & gtk2 apps like gaim / mozilla

2003-05-14 Thread Sander Smeenk
Quoting Mateusz Papiernik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > I don't use Gnome2 as a desktop manager, eg. I don't have panels > > running, I only use gaim, which links against libgtk2. So the problem > > is where gaim (and other libgtk2 using apps) don't start some > > component that gnome-control-center doe

Re: show all Suggests packages not installed

2003-05-14 Thread Keegan Quinn
On Tuesday 13 May 2003 07:31 pm, Brian May wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 09:21:33AM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: > > On Monday 12 May 2003 04:40 pm, Brian May wrote: > > > Also, just blindly purging packages can be dangerous, in some cases old > > > packages will purge files used by newer packages

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 05:08:34PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > IMHO, it is only particularly valuable for users to run testing when a > > release is approaching (at which point security updates and removals > > take place en masse). > > Wasn't testing supposed to be a perpetually mostly-re

FWD: Take a look at the security patch from Microsoft.

2003-05-14 Thread Paul Napier
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Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
(removing -private _again_) On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:14:53AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I'm sorry, I am on a public terminal, and can't quite remember where I > read it - But testing should always be close to a releasable state. The key word being "close" to releasable (or "almost" releasable

Re: Gnome2, libgtk2 & gtk2 apps like gaim / mozilla

2003-05-14 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> Is there a definition on what format I should use for that file? If you only want to change font setting for GTK2 apps, try adding line: gtk-font-name = "Verdana 10" Or any other font available for X in scheme gtk-font-name = "face size" Regards, Mati

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-14 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:27:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 12:07:29 +0200, Martin Quinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Your engagement for the quality of your package is really > > great. Only, I think that you are not responsible of the > > translation. > >

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:03:32AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > Figuring that a security upload would be preferable, I approached the > security team and offered to prepare an upload. I was effectively told > that this isn't done, and because it isn't done, most testing users don't > have secur

Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Clay Crouch
Folks, My most humble apologies. It has become quite clear that the culture that the DD community shares has evolved in my absence. My absence disallowed me to evolve with it. The culture you now enjoy is not the one I left. I truly didn't expect to be attacked on my first post. I also truly did

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-14 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:18:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Maintainers or developers do not have a say on how translations are > > done except for gettext sintax errors. If you do not like how a > > translation team works, but you do not understand the language, > > tough luck. > >

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-14 Thread Denis Barbier
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:22:36AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 22:04:43 +0200, Denis Barbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Sure it is. If they believe that the translator is wrong, they can > > ask a trusted person of their own to review the translation. It is > > sil

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 06:35:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > >> Yes, but this is not something that is clearly said. Many people run >> testing without even being aware that there may be security issues, or >> more precisely, that the security issues are orders of ma

Atlanta Debian People

2003-05-14 Thread Michael Neuffer
Hi Folks I'll be visiting friends close to Atlanta between the 22nd and the 30th this month. If some local Debian or Linux/Unix people are interested, I'd be happy to meet them. Just let me know. :-) Cheers Mike -- - Mich

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