On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> The point is actually that deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about
> internationalization, no matter what they say. I'm just trying to be
Go away.
I hate trolls that make little of the work of others...
If you think something is actively
Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In most cases, the only feature that's used (and needed) of XML that it
> stores a tree of attribute/value pairs.
>
> Given limited effort, I am absolutely convinced that it should be
> possible to come up with a more robust, well defined, simple(!),
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:05:49 +0900
GOTO Masanori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Woody comes with libc6 2.2.5-11.5, so the section about
> > > > restarting services is never reached.
> > > >
> > > > This leaves the machine vulnerable as all services use the old
> > > > library until restarted.
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:47:26 -0500, Steve Langasek
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries are
persistent then. If I _really_ have to parse config files in my config
script to properly
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:04:01 +0200
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:05:49AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote:
> > So everytime we have to restart all binaries which use a library
> > involving security-problem. In additionm this problem affects not
> > only debian
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:13:50 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It is also a damn hole in Debian policy. That one I will propose a fix
>to: scripts that are conffiles MUST test if the package is in the installed
>state, and that test MUST either be done by checking for
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:14:34 -0400, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>- Notice that a non-conffile, autogenerated configuration file has been
> modified by the user, and don't lose their changes
>
>- Use debconf for prompting
That combination prompts a question: Why does dpkg not use deb
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:58:14 +0200,
>> Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:47:26 -0500, Steve Langasek
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
> This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries
>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:33:21 -0400,
>> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> As was explained in detail, in order to do anything useful with
> that information, it is necessary to be able to show the user the
> proposed changes to the configuration file. It is completely
> unhelpful
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:58:14AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
|
| This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries are
| persistent then. If I _really_ have to parse config files in my config
| script to properly seed debconf to ask the right questions, then why
| does debconf have a
>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:17:16 +0100,
>> Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Policy is what matters not the opinion of some jumped up
> developers!
Conside rthis: when considering input from a ``jumped up
developer'' who has demonstrated competence and has put in the effort
like J
>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:21:14 +0100,
>> Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> Secondly, this isnot a witch hunt. What is being done is that a
>> policy violation in older practice is being pointed
>> out. Alternatives are being discussed; a witch hunt would have
>> involved mass RC bug fil
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 09:33:05PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Sami Haahtinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > "lex" is the better word, as it is not only known in English, but also
> > > in most other (roman) Languages for law.
> >
> > Oh right, in finland there is a site finlex.fi, which is ofc
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:26:04 +0200,
>> Nikolai Prokoschenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> What I think about is some regulated way to care about the needs of
> international debian users. Let's take an example: some
> programmîplays badly along with UTF-8 and therefore can't be
> properly us
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:05:33 +0200,
>> Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> A point. What *is* yours?
> Read. Just read and try with imagination. => Better, flexible and
> _smooth_ i18n in debian-desktop. Something userfriendly but not
> easy to achieve without conditional dependenc
>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:24:21 +0100,
>> Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> You really need to calm down. Twice now recently you have
> opened your
> mouth and stuck your foot in when there really wasn't any need
> to. Take a Valium and do something less stressful.
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Henrique de Moraes Holschuh schrieb am Sunday, den 20. April 2003:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> > The point is actually that deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about
> > internationalization, no matter what they say. I'm just trying to be
>
> Go away.
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 15:33, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Sami Haahtinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > > "lex" is the better word, as it is not only known in English, but also
> > > in most other (roman) Languages for law.
> >
> > Oh right, in finland there is a site finlex.fi, which is ofcouse
> > o
Nikolai Prokoschenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My problem was: everybody was acting like mad, screaming "at last,
> some good fonts for linux!", whereas, as far as I remember, these
> fonts lacks many many scripts, starting with the simpliest ones like
> Cyrillic. I don't even want to mention
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 03:50:23PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> I've read the changelog and the bug report closed by that earlier
> change, and removing the version still makes no sense. If earlier
> versions of debiandoc-sgml produce incorrect output, as reported, then
> the versioned build-dep sh
Quoting Torsten Landschoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Source: openldap2
> Binary: slapd libldap2 ldap-utils libldap2-dev
> Version: 2.1.17-1
> Changes:
> openldap2 (2.1.17-1) unstable; urgency=low
> [...]
> openldap2.1 (2.1.16-1) unstable; urgency=low
Was this such a clever idea? Shouldn't the new
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> Arthur de Jong wrote:
> > Ok, could you review my cvsd package for me for correct debconf usage
> > and tell me what you do and don't like?
>
> Thanks for taking advantage of that offer. (So far you're the only one.)
> I am ccing this to -devel just
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 23:57, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On 19 Apr 2003, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>
> > I am interested in coordinating a new sub-project called Debian-Lex,
> Could you please explain the naming "lex" for non English speakers?
>
> In general I really like your idea because I think those i
Andreas Dilger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> I'm sure all the FSF/Debian folks would be thrilled if someone
> changed the code in [x]emacs to not output anything about the GPL at
> startup, or if vim didn't include any info about helping Ugandan
> orphans.
XEmacs and Emacs follow sensible
[ I wrote this yesterday when I first saw Hans' message on -devel, but
postponed it to let the people who have actually had something to do
with this to speak up. But it seems that I was right when I assumed
people wouldn't really know what this is about. So, stamp a big FYI
on this post.
* Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-04-10 15:28]:
> here's your Debian package maintainer (still) for the gworkspace package
> writing. I want to get rid of the gworkspace package and wanted to first
> ask here before i move on to simply orphan the package via bug report.
Has anyone volunteere
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> > > The point is actually that deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about
> > > internationalization, no matter what they say. I'm just trying to be
> >
> > Go away.
>
> Come on, is fscking wish re
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:00:51AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> In the last case, there should be a way to do this _easily_. Currently
> the only way to do this is parsing dpkg --list output, which is mucho
> ugly.
I'd actually prefer the file check, and not involve the packaging system
in the day-t
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 10:34:10AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh schrieb am Sunday, den 20. April 2003:
> > Go away.
>
> Come on, is fscking wish reports a good way to communicate with users?
Yes. If they say things like "deb??an (and others) doesn't care much about
Just to bring the uninitiated like me up to date about ways to upgrade changed
dpkg conffiles, I would greatly appreciate if someone with insight could
summarize the current status:
+ How emotional has the discussion on this topic been in the past?
Scale: 0 (mostly technical) ... 5 (flamewar
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:28:13AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't
> >> bother, it is not worth your time :) Better tell me what I might have
> >> missed in the observing the su
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:05:33AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> * Andrew Suffield [Sun, Apr 20 2003, 12:29:49AM]:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:26:04AM +0200, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> > > Thank you for your time, and you want to tell me I'm paranoid, don't
> > > bother, it is not
> And why should we pull packages that works 95% of the time?
One of the release goals for Woody (I believe) was that everything is
8-bit clean. The same could have been said for that; why should we pull
packages that work 95% of the time? (And if 8-bit cleanness is not 95%
of the time, then neith
Arthur de Jong wrote:
> I have received a Brazillian translation of the debconf questions that I'm
> merging into cvsd (bug #187795). I saw the German translation at
> http://ddtp.debian.org/cgi-bin/ddtp.cgi?part=debconf&package=cvsd
> before but I never saw the page you linked (very useful page
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:54:23 +0300, Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:00:51AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> In the last case, there should be a way to do this _easily_. Currently
>> the only way to do this is parsing dpkg --list output, which is mucho
>> ugly.
>
Dear Debian and Chad:
Is it possible for you to assist me by sharing with me a framework for a common
defence and security policy proposal.
I would be most grateful if you can share with me this information at your
earliest possible convenience.
Happy Easter,
Wafula
--
_
On Sunday 20 April 2003 10:09, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Apart from telling various and sundry people about it, have
> you done anything? This is free software. If it scratches youtr itch,
> fix it. And send patches.
The original author stated that it occurs that upstream rejects UTF-8 fix
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 01:41:51PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> > > > I am interested in coordinating a new sub-project called Debian-Lex,
> > > Could you please explain the naming "lex" for non English speakers?
> > It's latin, not english. :-) It means "law".
> I strongly urge you to change
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Greetings,
I'm in the process of adopting mpich from Junichi Uekawa. This is at
Junichi's request, as described on the debian-beowulf list a few days ago.
Zeen,
--
-Adam P.
GPG fingerprint: D54D 1AEE B11C CE9B A02B C5DD 526F 01E8 564E E4B6
Welcome to the best so
I demand that Anthony DeRobertis may or may not have written...
> Is it just me, or would this fix the problem simply:
>1) If a postinst generates a configuration file with debconf, it must
> place the md5sum of the generated configuration file in /var
>2) A package should try and
>
> If english people don't even know what "lex" means, they should make a
> damn effort and and learn it, or at least try to see if they can.
>
> The rest of people on Earth using computers have been having headaches
> learning stupid english slang words like widgets, gadgets or applets for
> yea
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:45:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Hmm. ucf does show the user the changes, and even offers to
> merge maintainer changes into the current configuration file.
>
> What functionality do you think ucf is missing?
In my first message, I listed bullet po
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:03:40PM +0200, Arthur de Jong wrote:
> >s/zero (0)/0/ # Apparently writing it out has the possibility to make
> > # someone enter the number the wrong way so why not just
> > # not write it out?
> I spelled out zero because some
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 02:11:49PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 01:14:04PM +0200, Stephane Jourdois wrote:
> > I just noticed that not all packages in sid do provide md5 checksums
> > for the files they contains.
> >
> > What should be done against this ? Shall we file bugre
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 06:56:14PM +0300, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> >
> > If english people don't even know what "lex" means, they should make a
> > damn effort and and learn it, or at least try to see if they can.
> >
> > The rest of people on Earth using computers have been having headaches
> > lear
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:49:26PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
hi Raphael,
> I just made an important change to PTS. Since the PTS email adresses
> have been available on the web, they start collecting a significant
> quantity of spam. As a first measure to avoid them I decided th
* Jarno Elonen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030420 18:20]:
> Ouch, punch taken.. There's a difference here, however. 'Lex' is an academin
> slang word for which a common language alternative exists, 'law', while
But: lex is also used in many different languages than English. I
don't see the strong need
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 06:56:14PM +0300, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> Ouch, punch taken.. There's a difference here, however. 'Lex' is an academin
> slang word for which a common language alternative exists, 'law', while
> 'widget' is the only name for the thing it represents. Debian-law is not an
> o
> > I just made an important change to PTS. Since the PTS email adresses
> > have been available on the web, they start collecting a significant
> > quantity of spam. As a first measure to avoid them I decided that any
> > email sent directly to the PTS should be auto-approved. Auto-approval is
> >
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 11:19:23AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Ouch, punch taken.. There's a difference here, however. 'Lex' is an
> > academin
> > slang word for which a common language alternative exists, 'law',
>
> English is not the common language for lawyers. Nor is "lex" a slang
> w
> > other distributions), but the last (user-relevant) step of the setup is
> > not user-friendly at all.
>
> Then work at improving it. UTF8 in Debian is _very_ imature still, and even
> a "how to make your package UTF-8 friendly" document that you could write (and
> posted to d-devel and d-desk
On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 12:16, Javier FernÃndez-Sanguino PeÃa wrote:
> Which, IMHO should be required by now. IMHO it's bad enough that dpkg does
> not handle this itself (#155799 and, better, #187019).
And even better than both of those, #155676.
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 11:20:54AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 03:50:23PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > I've read the changelog and the bug report closed by that earlier
> > change, and removing the version still makes no sense. If earlier
> > versions of debiandoc-sgml
Of course as you already know emacs includes so many thing unrelated to
editing that anyone using it has already decided they don't mind the
bloat. *OT* Really is there any argument that a psychoanalysis program
in an editor is not bloat? By the way emacs21 takes 50MB to install (vim
takes 15MB),
* Sami Haahtinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > You forget that "lex, legis (f.)" is well known with lawyers. They'll
> > immedialtely recognize it, since so many laws are of roman origin and
> > many latin terms occur.
>
> Are you trying to tell me, that if the list is named debian-lex, more
> people
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:22:31 -0400,
> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:45:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Hmm. ucf does show the user the changes, and even offers to merge
>> maintainer changes into the current configuration file.
>>
>> W
Le Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 06:19:07PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli écrivait:
> > quantity of spam. As a first measure to avoid them I decided that any
> > email sent directly to the PTS should be auto-approved. Auto-approval is
> > easy, you just have to add an "X-PTS-Approved" header with a non-empty
> >
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 01:02:15PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> in an editor is not bloat? By the way emacs21 takes 50MB to install (vim
> takes 15MB), and yes a full KDE install takes more at around 254MB to
> install but it could be argued it provides more functionality. ;)
Are you sure ? Emacs
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:53:50PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 08:43:45PM -0400, Steve M. Robbins wrote:
> > What would be the best way to accomodate such a request? I can
> > imagine introducing a new package of imlib linked with libpng3. But
> > since it has to use t
Le Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 10:47:55AM -0600, Jack Moffitt écrivait:
> Is there some reason why TMDA isn't being used? We've used this at
> Xiph.org for the mailing lists for quite some time now, and I don't
> think a single spam has gotten through yet.
I don't know exactly.
It's because most of t
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:59:27PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 12:22:31 -0400,
> > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > In my first message, I listed bullet points for goals, most of
> > which ucf meets, and then outlined the problems with this model,
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 01:02:15PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> Of course as you already know emacs includes so many thing unrelated to
> editing that anyone using it has already decided they don't mind the
> bloat. *OT* Really is there any argument that a psychoanalysis program
> in an editor is
> But for mailing lists it would be annoying to have to add an
> extra-header each time you want to write to the list. And there are
> people who don't use mutt or gnus and can't easily add arbitrary
> headers. I really think that this auto-approval thingie is just a
> temporary measure until we do
> > Is there some reason why TMDA isn't being used? We've used this at
> > Xiph.org for the mailing lists for quite some time now, and I don't
> > think a single spam has gotten through yet.
>
> I don't know exactly.
>
> It's because most of the Debian lists have always been 100% open... and
>
> ucf still has the same fundamental problem with regard to preconfiguration,
> which was the primary issue that I raised in my original message. The
> consensus, as I recall, was that preconfiguration is important, and that
> prompting in postinst should be minimized.
I may have missed something
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:48:48PM +0300, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> > ucf still has the same fundamental problem with regard to
> > preconfiguration, which was the primary issue that I raised in my
> > original message. The consensus, as I recall, was that preconfiguration
> > is important, and that
> > Dude,
> >
> > You really need to calm down. Twice now recently you have opened
your
> > mouth and stuck your foot in when there really wasn't any need to. Take
a
> > Valium and do something less stressful.
>
> Are you talking to me?
You are the one with the foot hanging out of your mouth s
> Conside rthis: when considering input from a ``jumped up
> developer'' who has demonstrated competence and has put in the effort
> like Joey Hess, and has intituted a couple of major changes in how
> Debian works, and an unknown twit, guess who am I going to listen to?
Yawn. I don't know and
> Heh. First you bad mouth Joey Hess. And now you go up against
> Ben Collins. And both times you take what I consider impolitic
> stances that show poor judgment (even ignoring the fact that you
> are, with nothing whatsoever to back it up) some of the most
> respected developers in Debian.
>
> No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
software that is being prompted recently. I have to say that I'm beginning
to think
>Um, no. *Policy* says that it may not be used as a registry.
[SNIPPED LONG DIATRIBE THAT DOES NOT PROVE THE ABOVE STATEMENT]
Sure, you delete the registry things should still work. Did I say anything
different? You are making a long tenuous link to prove your point which I
don't subscribe to. U
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Of course as you already know emacs includes so many thing unrelated to
> editing that anyone using it has already decided they don't mind the
> bloat. *OT* Really is there any argument that a psychoanalysis program
> in an editor is not bloat? By the wa
> BTW the opinion of this jumped-up developer is "please don't send me
> private copies of posts to mailing lists". Thanks.
Apologies, 'reply-all' is not clever enough in Outlook Express to evaluate
the sender preference on being copied on list emails. Any suggestions for a
MUA that can perform th
> > What is not helpful is when a developer gets a bad case of NOMUS
> > (Not On My UNIX System) and goes off on one about how perfectly the
> > world would be if everyone agreed with their narrow definition of
> > the 'correct' way to do things. The recent /run debate was another
> > example
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:48:48 +0300, Jarno Elonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> ucf still has the same fundamental problem with regard to
>> preconfiguration, which was the primary issue that I raised in my
>> original message. The consensus, as I recall, was that
>> preconfiguration is important,
Jeff Licquia wrote:
> -SNIP- <
If, however, your package deals with the CUPS raster image format
somehow, your package will fail to work with 1.1.18-3 or later until it
is rebuilt with the new libs. I have identified three packages as
possibly meeting that test: gs-esp, cupsys-driver-gimpprint, a
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:06:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Eventually someone (MDZ seems to be starting this again) will come up with
Please avoid using my name in support of your arguments. I rather not be
associated with your recent publicity.
--
- mdz
On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:46:41 -0700, Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> First of all emacs is pure bloat so who cares what it does...
Ah, a troll.
> Don't be an ass. There are a lot of people who would say the same of
> KDE, so it's silly
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
>
> No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
> there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
> software that i
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:39:09 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> You are the one with the foot hanging out of your mouth so by a
> process of elimination it has to be you. Really we don't need to
> alienate upstream software authors with flame responses. Point out
> that he can file a bu
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:53:11 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> A Linux distribution is not worth getting so excited over in
> the grand scheme of things!
Then you are in the wrong project. If you do not think Debian
is important in the grand scheme of things, and if you think
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:39:09PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > > Dude,
> > >
> > > You really need to calm down. Twice now recently you have opened
> your
> > > mouth and stuck your foot in when there really wasn't any need to. Take
> a
> > > Valium and do something less stressful.
> >
> > Are
"Wafula Okumu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Debian and Chad:
>
> Is it possible for you to assist me by sharing with me a framework for
> a comm on defence and security policy proposal.
HUH? OK. Let's give this a try. I'm thinking that a couple Patriot
Missle batteries would be essential
> > I may have missed something but why can't the changed/merged
> > configuration files be saved somewhere in preinstall phase
> > [...]
>
> Again: see my first message and followups for a specific, concrete example
> of why this won't work.
Thanks, I read the thread. So the reason was that confi
> If the upstream author is rude to me, he does not deserve any
> consideration from myself. If he chooses to alienate his clientele,
> he should expect to reap what he sowed.
The difficulty of their character unfortunately often seems to correlate with
the important of their software. ;
On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 15:57, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
>
> No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
> there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi [...]
Congratulations, you just proved (yet a
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:06:38 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I never suggested to throw out policy (perhaps you should revisit my
> email). All I said was that this was prior best practice and now we
> might make a change.
Any prior practice that promotes not preserving use
> > I may have missed something but why can't the changed/merged
> > configuration files be saved somewhere in preinstall phase and the
> > [...]
>
> Well, for configuration files that require the unpacked
> package to generate, you can't ask during preconfiguration. For files
> created usi
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
> No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal retentives. Sure
> there was the whole free software part - but not the SS Nazi version of free
> software that is
On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:49:50 +0300, Jarno Elonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Thanks, I read the thread. So the reason was that configuration file
> generation is mostly done in postinst scripts? I didn't quite get
> why it couldn't in practically all cases be done in preinst (or even
> a complete
"Jarno" == Jarno Elonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jarno> I'd really hate to lose something like Reiserfs from Debian
Jarno> just because of a few unpolite mails back and forth.
Well, if we do lose something because of a few unpolite emails alone I
don't think it qualifies as being
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:57:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> > No offense, but I think you joined the wrong project, then.
>
> No offence taken. I joined when Debian wasn't run by anal
> retentives. Sure there was the whole free software part - but not
> the SS Nazi version of free software that i
I followed Release Managers request on how to deal with the libvorbis
mess, if you have a problem with how it was dealt with bring it up on
irc. You should know this already but a message was sent out a week in
advance to the libvorbis breakage occuring so that maintainers would
about it. And no t
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:09:41PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > BTW the opinion of this jumped-up developer is "please don't send me
> > private copies of posts to mailing lists". Thanks.
>
> Apologies, 'reply-all' is not clever enough in Outlook Express to
> evaluate the send
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:38:31PM +0100, Bruce Stephens wrote:
> So the information isn't thrust in anybody's face: if you don't give
> it any arguments, Emacs doesn't have anything else it might display,
> so it may as well display information about itself (how to get help,
> conditions of copyin
Marcel Kolaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, it looks like a dependency problem in Debian. What do you exactly
> mean with "recent binutils"? This problem appears on Woody, that means
> with binutils 2.12.90.0.1-4 and modutils 2.4.15-1.
Then this is not the problem. Only the binutils from
I demand that Matt Zimmerman may or may not have written...
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 09:06:38PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
>> Eventually someone (MDZ seems to be starting this again) will come up with
Come up with what?
Let's restore some context...
>> a sensible solution (that doesn't predepend
Hi.
On one of my servers, apache segfaults when php4 loads the imap.so module.
I have a few servers with similar versions, and only one of the servers
experiences the segfault.
I am unable to discover the cause of the segfault, and would really appreciate
some advice in how to locate it.
What
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 11:22:48PM +0100, Darren Salt wrote:
> Ahem. From here, given that reference to a sensible solution and your
> "proposed handling" posting (which looks like it'll become Something
> Useful), that looks like "look, things are heading in the right direction
> again".
Perhaps
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