Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh > > Well, it is difficult to second-guess Shuttelworth, but the "tight coupling" > > is likely to be part of it. This was a non-issue with sysvinit (for Debian) > > and upstart (for Ubuntu), but with systemd we will have

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh > Well, it is difficult to second-guess Shuttelworth, but the "tight coupling" > is likely to be part of it. This was a non-issue with sysvinit (for Debian) > and upstart (for Ubuntu), but with systemd we will have to get involved > upstream. > > Debian and Ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > I'm not sure I understand why. Debian and Ubuntu have been using > different init systems for some time now, with Ubuntu on upstart and > Debian on sysvinit. Why should our change of defaults really matter to > them, when they weren't using our default a

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Noah Meyerhans's message of 2014-02-14 14:47:49 -0800: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 07:40:20PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > I have to admit that I did *not* expect this. At all. > > > > > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 > > > > > > > Quite the opposite - some peop

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 14, 2014, at 07:40 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >Quite the opposite - some people felt it would be inevitable that >Debian choosing systemd would effectively be a death sentence for Upstart Keep in mind that (just as before the ctte decision and Mark's announcement) Upstart is free software, l

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-14 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 07:40:20PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > I have to admit that I did *not* expect this. At all. > > > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 > > > > Quite the opposite - some people felt it would be inevitable that > Debian choosing systemd would effectively be

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-14 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Christoph Anton Mitterer] > btw: And quite obviously, this post is not about bashing upstart,.. No, and it's also not about Debian. Could we ... do our Canonical bashing somewhere else? Please? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "uns

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-14 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 19:15 +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 That's really interesting... and disturbing... in so many ways. First, while I don't like everything about systemd, I was/am in favour of it (as long as we can keep the non-Linux ports alive

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Daniel Pocock: > > I have to admit that I did *not* expect this. At all. > > Quite the opposite - some people felt it would be inevitable that > Debian choosing systemd would effectively be a death sentence for Upstart So did/do I. But that doesn't mean that I expected Mark to acknowledge th

Re: Ubuntu will switch to systemd

2014-02-14 Thread Daniel Pocock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/14 19:15, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > I have to admit that I did *not* expect this. At all. > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 > Quite the opposite - some people felt it would be inevitable that Debian choosing systemd woul