bin:/bin" (plus /sbin for root,
plus …/games for non-root), i.e. with the symlinks last.
Thus, if anything does do this it'll go splat whether or not we remove
":/bin" from our PATH.
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On 06.05.25 13:31, Ahmad Khalifa wrote:
Fedora doesn't set /bin anymore in the $PATH
IMHO we should follow that practice, post-Trixie.
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It hasn't been HP for a long time.
Thanks for the update. It *has* been HP when I got it …
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On 28.04.25 12:56, Marc Haber wrote:
Could somebody with an LWN subscription share a friends link?
Subscriptions to LWN are free for DDs, somebody (HP IIRC) sponsors them.
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ory, and there's probably not much point in working on improving
its code *now*, but that's a different problem.
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even two IMHO).
At least not enouch space to waste any more life time on it.
That's your personal call.
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people read such license files in the first place. (Spoiler: almost nobody.)
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he FTP team) is
not The Way. Neither is crippling some features of git, or whichever
else program du jour has this problem.
NB no it's not possible to re-license git to GPLv3. That'd be only
slightly less difficult as re-licensing the Linux kernel.
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On 09.03.25 17:45, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 09, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
My "build me a Debian image" script has been doing that for two years now,
simply by moving /var/lib/dpkg to /usr/state/dpkg and bind-mounting it back
onto /var/lib/dpkg (symlinking won't work).
How
m not-mentioned-in-d-control package is
installed.
Policy doesn't seem to explicitly state that (I just took an
admittedly-cursory look), but maybe it should.
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spend some time building those images,
fine, go ahead; if and when those images are actually usable for a
relevant subset of machines out there, *then* we can might want to
revise our decision.
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tted.
Granted that some pieces are missing, most notably /boot (which really
should be populated from /usr (and /etc) instead of being directly
installed to), but that's irrelevant when your usecase is booting
containers, and fixable by reinstalling the kernel packages.
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of new members) is that "do nothing until somebody has time to train new
people" is among the worst possible approaches: experience tells us that
the most likely outcome is "another team members qui
ere.
Bottom line: It's not *that* easy.
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On 06.03.25 19:42, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 06:21:10PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
However, I'm reasonably certain that there are other cases where diversions
are intentional and perfectly valid.
Do you have an example?
Does perldoc diverting the stub perldoc so
that cannot be used in new uploads.
I kindof doubt that we'd get a majority to sign off on that.
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problems if any, then come back".
Finally, a question -- as you don't seem to document the issues you have
with long term packages in their ITP bug, where *do* you document them?
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I apologize for trying to bring a smile into a heated discussion
Thank you.
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fixing the roof because you're too
busy emptying buckets is not a viable long-term strategy.
If you have a better idea how to improve the situation, by all means
let's hear it.
NB: "now would not be a good time" begs the question how long you expect
said "now"
aller than five or so.
Anything else can be fixed post-upgrade.
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for reasonably experienced sysadmins.
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Thus I recommend to drop the chrootery. It has served its purpose.
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 08:57:57AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
On 04.12.24 18:08, Andreas Tille wrote:
in the
absence of a debian/dont_touch_my_package file, any Debian Developer is
permitted to upload the package.
I like this idea.
so you like
ther these really *are* our only choices.
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the don't touch tag file is absent) ?
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tem load.
I'd do this myself — this looks like an easily fixable paper cut — but
somebody with (a) less than 15 years of not writing any Perl code, and
preferably (b) some non-zero experience with our bug tracker, would make
more sense.
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ld key? If so you can update the
key so it's no longer expired, and sign the new key with the old one.
Then email the old key's signers and ask them to please consider signing
the new key.
This process worked for me when I had to replace mine.
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re. The ecosystem has changed significantly in the last
quarter century.
Instead we have a maintenance burden — one which isn't exactly lightened
by the fact that there are four implementations of ifupdown that do more
or less the same thing. (In case you're wondering: #4 is busybox.)
rkd" do exactly that?
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n only when a specific network interface is
present.
Or you can use NM and its script dispatcher instead.
Or, well, you can of course continue to use ifupdown if none of the
above work for you. But that doesn't mean ifupdown should be the default
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AFAIK there's nothing ifupdown can do that systemd[-networkd] can't.
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to be packaging experts. That doesn't scale.
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packages, is it OK to reply "that's not supported, go away"?
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whole thing.
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descriptors …
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On 17.06.21 21:13, Marc Haber wrote:
Is there a bugreport for that?
There is now. 990026.
I marked it Serious because our system admins are seriously .-/ unhappy
about the change: we have a whole lot of systems with cronjob entries
that'd stop working more-or-less-silently.
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ty or ticket category.
Also this is not mentioned in the `debian/cron.NEWS` file.
It's possibly a bit late to get this fixed before the release, but …
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ptions, thus
$ git config --global --add dgit-distro.debian.keyid ABCD1234DEADBEEF
actually works.
Next time I'll wait for the remainder of my migraine headache to go away
before asking questions I should have been able to figure out myself;
sorry about the noise.
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It's trying to use your personal key because what you are using is a
local demo of tag2upload. The real thing would have its own key with
upload rights.
Owch. I should have noticed it's local.
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we have now.
>
On a server, a missed rename due to interfaces showing up in exactly the
wrong order makes the system unreachable. Frankly, I cannot imagine
anything "way worse" than that. Not in this context.
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> Otoh, most systemd documentation lacks objectivity.
>
So does any other documentation whose authors are convinced they're doing
something right. Would you demand a sidebar on gimp.org which praises the
cool features of Inkscape or Scribus?
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The fewer code (esp. code which are not in memory anyway)
you run at that time, the better.
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>
Mmh. Granted that people might want to "apt-cache search texlive
PACKAGENAME", the package description should just contain a list of
included CTAN modules. Just drop the descriptions.
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martin f krafft:
> There are two problems here:
>
3. Spurious errors may be reported if fsck happens to run across an
inconsistent state.
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> [ complete sysconf dbump ]
Doesn't matter.
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that by the time we release, this is going to be more unlikely
than a hang after upgrading to wheezy was (this was not at all uncommon IME)
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* stop spreading FUD about "abandoming users".
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Marco d'Itri:
> On Dec 04, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>
> > If you can run a CGI inside a chroot/container/whatever, you can run a
> > small web server on a local port / Unix socket, and reverse-proxy it,
> > just as easily.
> While using many more times the r
/whatever, you can run a
small web server on a local port / Unix socket, and reverse-proxy it,
just as easily.
FastCGI is just a slightly more fancy way of doing this.
> The poor man alternatives like mod-php5 are nothing which a security
> conscious admin would ever use.
>
Definitely.
Hi,
Dmitriy Fitisov:
> > lsof /dev/ttyACM0
>
> That I also tried last week. Nothing is open.
The next target of interest would be udev.
Which rules fire, and do they start anything?
(udevadmin monitor …)
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estimate. Not zero, that's just plain wrong.
Until it does that right, I'd rather spend a megabyte or two on keeping a
"real" NTP server in memory. Yes, even on clients.
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If you intend to appear unreasonable, then I suppose this helps.
Otherwise, not so much.
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>
"Wasted effort" is/was to implement mostly-the-same power management
features, in a slightly different way, in each desktop environment.
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the first user added to the system, is not.
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> runlevels 2345, they need to work out how to port those things to
> systemd, or opt to stick with sysvinit for now.
>
+1
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_and_ Debian will probably continue to ship sysVrc files that are
good enough for embedded systems (*), so I guess I don't really .
(*) IME one key feature you might not need on embedded systems is a way
to reliably shut down services, as the things tend to simply ge
warning we still need
to implement – and either test before they leap, or decide to stay with
sys5 until they are in a position to fix problems on-site.
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Marc Haber:
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:53:18 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
> wrote:
> >Yes, the logind-related parte _could_ be provided elsewhere, but part of
> >the features logind needs is already implemented in systemd. So using that
> >instead of rolling your own from
Hi,
Marc Haber:
> Updating of such systems has always been a pain, but this time it's
> going to be a gazillion times more painful.
>
Why? (Seriously.)
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(Doesn't have to be an explicit trigger; inotify() would also work.)
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the project history. Of course, you need the actual file contents to make
sense of the hash. So, you might consider a Mercurial reflog to be roughly
the same thing as a git hash _plus_ the pack file you get from "git repa
ishing a specification
(once you _have_ a stable API) and sticking to that.
But when things are in flux and you're in the process of figuring out what
the API should look like in the first place, having multiple places to
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re entitled to their opinions.
But if all they have is an opinion, with no attempt to convey their
reasoning to the "other side" (as you are doing now), then said other
side is (equally perfectly) entitled to disagree.
Unfortunately, that does not always help. As we see …
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er, therefore requiring yet more code. More man-hours to write and
debug.
NB: s/there/they/.
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Could we PLEASE stop the systemd FUD now?
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telling your desktop
environment to auto-mount.
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there's more than one source version in the archive.
I do plan to investigate this idea further. Sometime after the release.
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(the whole of) local-fs; thus, getting a normal Debian system to do
that is a nontrivial exercise which is definitely not in the cards
before releasing jessie.
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log in via text mode, and "systemctl start lightdm.service" manually.
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system that starting my
app servers should depend on a running postgres which in turn should only
start when the database disks get mounted, and that doesn't happen.
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systemd-delta only accesses the running systemd's configuration, hence is
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So would having the Debianized source in a VCS; then you can just tell it
to return to pristine state (git reset --hard && git ls-files --others -z |
xargs -0r rm -f).
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ters obviously wouldn't be used by anybody who's even
remotely sane, esp. in the context of source code, but not all of them. I
would at least check whether $ and/or single quote works.
Regarding this bit of elisp, the pattern change looks reasonably sane.
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'pam_session', 'pam_setcred', and 'use_pty' flags should be turned off,
as well as sudo's internal logging.
This will cause sudo to not create a PAM session, and directly exec() the
daemon instead of running an intermediate fork.
See "man
method's
advantage is that you can just use an EnvironmentFile= stanza, and thus
don't need to keep that and /etc/systemd/system/PACKAGE.service in sync
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You might want to use this opportunity to replace /var/run with /run.
> ExecStartPre=/bin/chown $USER /var/run/minidlna
You should use "%u"; see systemd.unit(5).
Also, one ExecStartPre stanza is sufficient:
> ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/install -o %u -g %
Hi,
Daniel Pocock:
> This is probably tangential to the ongoing DEP-14 and source-only upload
> discussions
>
> How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git?
>
How would you feel about forking Debian and switching an all-in-git
maintainance+build infrastructure?
a tool, though :(
>
> Err, yes. There were complains about the -rc.d prefix way back in Debconf2,
> but the truth is the ship had sailed already (due to update-rc.d).
>
The (author of the) document might want to mention that yes, this name is
stupid – and no, we can't eas
Hi,
Scott Kitterman:
> The cure for inappropriate speech is more speech.
This sentence lacks a necessary ingredient, i.e. the adjective
"appropriate" in front of the last word.
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omplain about
saves me a lot of time, not all of which I then spend on Debian mailing
lists fanboy-ing. :-P (I'm also somewhat too old to be called "boy". :-/ )
Besides, I'm not blind to the fact that not all is well in systemd land.
But that's a different topic.
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> disagree with.
>
I assume that some do, but they're doing it quietly.
If the systemd decision had gone the other way (i.e. pro Upstart), I would
have done the same thing.
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king about the general case here, not "oops, I
just pushed half-baked buggy ".)
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longer timeframes than
the emergence of e-mail and IRC communication. For confirmation, look at
any flame war where people write things they would (hopefully) never say to
the recipient's face. :-/
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rest of us that it's a bad
idea (how to do that is left as an exercise for the esteemed reader;
hint: diatribes about the change being The End Of Debian | Linux | Unix |
Civilization aren't going to work), and/or vote "Further Discussion".
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that those who like the divided workflow should be the
> ones to write it up. I see that Simon (for example) is actively
> engaging in the discussion.
>
Thanks; this is a good way to proceed.
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