On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:01 AM Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> > > PS: I already hate the "mdbp" name after having it typed so many times.
> >
> > I'm not attached to either. Any suggestions?
>
> sbp for "standardized build package" is easier to type but not necessarily
> nicer.
>
> "justadeb" or "gi
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:03 AM Matthias Klumpp wrote:
>
> >From personal experience, all that's needed to switch to the journal
> for an admin is to re-learn a couple of commands and be open to a bit
> of change. I so far found nothing that I could do with rsyslog to be
> impossible with the jour
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:03 PM Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
>
> Anyway the big disadvantage of changing default is that now random Debian
> systems will have no traditional logging interface (rsyslog) and we're all
> will be forced to adapt to the new interface in the absence of old one on
> some system
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:15 PM Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 5:22:15 PM EST Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > ❦ 4 février 2020 11:30 -08, Russ Allbery :
> > >> As a heavy user or Rsyslog features I feel that switching default
> > >> logging system yields no benefits to say the
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 4:09 PM Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>
> > There are a number of ways forward:
> >
> >[...]
> > 5) Make no recommendations in this space
>
> Why do all things need a recommendation? List the possible places to
> host a repository with their advantages/disadvantages. If somebody is
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 12:13 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 09:58:22AM +0100, Stefan Fritsch wrote:
> >
> > There have been a number of bug reports and blog posts about this,
> despite
> > buster not being release yet. So it's not that uncommon.
>
> Pointers, please? Let's
Greetings Devel,
In November of 2014 Raphael Hertzog posted [0] to
-devel about a proposal (DEP-14) for recommended git branch names.
The links he referenced are:
http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep14
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/dep/web/deps/dep14.mdwn
and are both dead. Did DEP-14 find any t
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 09:05:05PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
>
>> In the example above, while in Wheezy, the dependency was perfectly
>> correct. It became wrong because of the epoch bump (for no obvious
>> reason). For software we distri
On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
>
> The maintainer thinks the 1:1.0.51-12 version number would be "ugly"
The maintainer would not be wrong.
-m
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Ian Jackson <
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
> But I'm a hardy soul who is quite prepared to see a warning and decide
> to ignore it :-).
>
> My view is that the purpose of a warning is to alert you to something,
> so you can decide what to do about it.
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) <
j...@debian.org> wrote:
> On 17/08/2017 20:11, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
> > an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
> > if you ar
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 12.07.2017 um 17:35 schrieb Marc Haber:
> > My finger memory will still type tcpdump -i eth0 before the brain can
> > intervene ten years from now.
>
> thankfully tcpdump (and lots of other tools) have nice shell completion.
> tcpdump -i
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Samuel Thibault
wrote:
> Matt Zagrabelny, on mar. 11 juil. 2017 09:53:58 -0500, wrote:
> > Relatedly, network device name lengths are limited to the length of
> some
> > arbitrarily-sized struct field in the kernel ABI,
> >
>
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 at 13:45:25 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> > I got to ask: Why? We do not have stable names for e.g. disks. Why do
> > we need it for network devices?
>
> We do have stable names for disks: look in /dev/disk/by-* and you'l
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Wookey wrote:
I am (vaguely) aware of
> something caled 'ip' which does a similar job but have no idea how to
> use it.
Here are the few sub-commands I use regularly. Their abbreviated form
and unabridged form, and the legacy command:
ip a
ip address show
ifconf
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 01:08:25PM -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
>> Perhaps moreutils?
>>
>> The utilities provided therein are (partially) written in perl. So it
>> is out of place in that regards - but ce
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Trevor Bramwell wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 07:39:32PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
>> Such has having the 'field' codo in an existing Debian package.
>
> If you would be so kind as to point me to the right package this should
> be included in, I'd be happy
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar
Burchardt"@43-1.org> wrote:
>> At least the following mirrors' Packages.xz file shows the older
>> 3.6.1+git version:
>
> The package failed to build, see [1].
Ahhh. Thanks!
-m
Greetings,
It appears that the version of syslog-ng for mirrors of
ftp.us.debian.org's experimental repository is still at version
3.6.1+git20141206-g4d90138-4+b1, while tracker.d.o is reporting that
the experimental version is at 3.7.1-3, and has been since Thu, 08 Oct
2015 21:51:09 +0200.
At le
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jun 2016, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 09:47:56AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
>> > I am also not very keen on using a system with a "open core / enterprise"
>> > model. For such a crucial service I would r
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 03:29:35PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote:
>> To avoid unpleasant situations like this, I recommend to never combine roles
>> of upstream and Debian maintainer.
>
> An interesting idea in theory, but it would break down wh
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Antonio Terceiro wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 10:47:28PM +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I'm packaging web server for ruby called unicorn. The package installs
>> sysv init script, I want to make it installed but not activated
>> because unicorn its
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:32 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> Repeatedly over the years - I'd almost say consistently - I've seen
> aptitude report that a requested package change (install, remove, or
> some combination) would result in an invalid or conflicting dependency
> situation, and suggest a sol
Hi Pat,
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:06:08PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
>>
>> > For the record, I really don't care about the init system per-say. I am
>> > more annoyed with the systemd insistence on logging to binary files than
>> >
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Jaakko Niemi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning to NMU nfdump, and have been unable to contact the maintainer
> (his
> MTA says I'm a spammer). Has anyone else been in contact with Erik lately?
I packaged up nfsen a while ago (maybe 16 months) and asked Erik about
s
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> adduser tango --uid $UID --gid $GID
typo?
adduser _tango --uid $UID --gid $GID
-mz
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Ian Jackson
wrote:
>> Reducing the size of Packages.xz by 11% or 22% would leave room for quite
>> a lot of small packages while not making the problem any worse than it is
>> today.
>
> But the problem with lots of small packages is not that the
> Packages.xz has
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Solal Rastier wrote:
> Hello! I've an idea for a new apt-get package style :
>
> Developer side :
> -The developer create a ./install script in the source code.
> -The install script executes all commands necessary for install the software.
> Also, it getting depen
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2014, Jakub Wilk wrote:
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/poor_man%27s
>
> I knew that :) I still don't think it's appropriate nor helpful to describe
> software with these attributes. (Hints: free software
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:25:14 -0500
> Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
>
>> > If they have decided on systemd as default [...]
>>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/02/msg5.html
>>
>> Can we please end this thread?
>
> Sure but
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> vita...@yourcmc.ru:
>> Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
>>
> Why? (Seriously.)
To use standard text based tools, eg. grep.
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On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 03:50:06AM +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
>> Apart from the termination clause, the GPLv2 is far more concise,
>> I don't see tivoization as a problem (it's the software I want to
>> protect, not anyone's combination of i
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 10/25/2013 11:02 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>>> Supporting two different init systems is something I don't think
>>> *anyone* wants to get into. Remember they use different files, so this
>>
>> Erm, we already support sysv-rc, file-rc, s
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Christoph Anton Mitterer writes:
>
>> - The system hostname (and domainname if any) should ALWAYS be
>> resolvable, whether a network is up or not, regardless of which.
>> (Assuming that lo is always up, if not, many things break anyway.)
>
>
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Nikolas Kallis wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I think Debian should stop releasing products as I.E 'Debian 7.0', and
> instead release them simply as I.E 'Debian 7', where its Debian version
> would be 7.0.
>
> It makes it hard for me writing documentation for applicatio
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Martin Wuertele writes:
>
>> Seems like you haven't realised yet: only if a maintainer makes
>> controversal decisions and several others disagree such a case comes
>> before the CTTE.
>
> Having decisions appealed to the CTTE is not a punish
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> Matt Zagrabelny d.umn.edu> writes:
>
>> Use the mechanism of "really":
>
> That is *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much*
> *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* more
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Noel David Torres Taño
wrote:
> On Martes, 7 de mayo de 2013 22:55:39 Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
>> If so, could we add a field to debian/control such as
>> "Supersede-Epoch". If set to 'yes', then dpkg considers this package
Hello world,
I've grepped the d-d list, but didn't find any threads regarding
fixing epochs in package versions.
First, is there a consensus or quorum that believes that unnecessary
epochs is undesirable?
If so, could we add a field to debian/control such as
"Supersede-Epoch". If set to 'yes', t
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:29 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> On 04/08/2013 09:23 PM, David Prévot wrote:
>>
>> The purpose would be to provide it, via a libjs-ie7, in order to be used
>> as a third party in other packages like spip. As such, I intend to
>> maintain it under the Debian Javasc
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer
wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:35 +0100, Filippo Rusconi wrote:
>> fails to load in the much-respected SVG-based graphics editor Inkscape
>> (which I use daily and which works fine also for svg files not
>> produced by itself).
> In mine
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Serafeim Zanikolas , 2012-12-12, 10:30:
>
>> If I understand correctly, the way to go is to split every problematic
>> source package in two different source packages, one for main (shipping
>> programs) and another for non-free (shipping docu
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 12:09:10AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
>> this time installing surveillance code.
>
>> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/07/1527225/rms-speaks-out-against-ubuntu
>> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what
Hi Michael,
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
>
>> On 20/11/12 22:55, Michael Schmitt wrote:
>>>
>>> If one likes Gnome2.x or MATE or not is a question of taste, to
>>> acknowledge that many users are just mad about
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:33 PM, The Fungi wrote:
> On 2012-09-07 16:40:07 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
> [...]
>> The problem is that the software is called wallet, both the
>> software itself and the primary client binary that users invoke.
>> [...] I don't think there's another UNIX/Linux
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Arno Töll wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 03.08.2012 23:28, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Seriously, I'd just drop our CD1 installs and only provide a net-install
>> image and a DVD image for desktop installations.
>
> Is there any serious survey how established DVD drives (and write
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 18.07.2012 22:32, Wookey wrote:
>
>> wicd is easy to disable as it has a ENABLE/DISABLE option in
>> /etc/defaults. N-M doesn't so you either have to remove it properly or
>> resort to nobbling the init script.
>
> Nope, you don't have to
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Luis Alejandro Martínez Faneyth
wrote:
> El 12/06/12 12:40, Enrico Weigelt escribió:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>> is there already a way for maintaining debian packages entirely
>> with git - without the orig tarball ?
I use something like this in the gbp.conf:
[DEFA
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:10:24PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
>>
>> As said many times, node is an interpreter used in shebang. Using a
>> different name would just upset its user base. Debian will be seen,
>> again, as the one harming
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Svante Signell
wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:29 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
>> This is completely off-topic for -devel. Please take it to debian-user
>> if you want to continue.
>
> No it is not, this is as important as the systemd/upstart/sysvint\
> issue, now b
round (or without) systemd.
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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Milan P. Stanic wrote:
>>>> For me d-m.o was (a
ite knowledge to heed
said advice. If there are users out there who can distill their
knowledge regarding codecs and improve the wiki page, then that would
be much appreciated.
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I, for one, have even more of a problem
> contributing to FSF projects that require copyright assignment than I
> would contributing to upstart.
Hi Russ,
Would you comment on why you have issues with the FSF contributor agreement?
Thanks,
Hi Al,
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Al wrote:
> OK I guess I am partially incorrect, however if .ssh or authorized_keys is
> wrong permission, ssh-copy-id doesn't fix it..
> I set .ssh folder to 777 and ssh-copy-id did not change it.
That is the sane behavior here.
The utilities that come in
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> Saving a dozen of bytes in ${PATH} doesn't seem like an
> astonishing idea, anyway. What's the point, then?
There are good arguments in the following link (Marco provided it with
his initial email.)
https://fedoraproject.org
Hi Bruce,
>> > I hope Debian would honour the Social Contract and put the needs of the
>> > users ahead of software freeness concerns in that case.
>>
>> Do we have a name for the DFSG equivalent of Godwin's Law? Because you
>> just failed it.
>
> Well, that's disappointing... called a Nazi for d
wo about packaging (bottom up learning, as you describe, Gergely.)
Unfortunately, it does not look like there is a free electronic
version available.
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> in echo to Raphaël's question about the use of a VCS together with the 3.0
> (quilt) format, I was just wondering, what is needed to have 3.0 (git)
> acceptable in Debian, and how can we solve this ?
IIRC, there was a B
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Svante Signell
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been a GNU/Debian user for a long time now, after trying out
> Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, Mandriva, Debian, etc. Now, I'm stuck at Debian,
> which I find the best distribution not limited to GNU/Linux.
>
> I would like to contribu
customers machines.
Wow. Just because a certain network configuration system is the
*default*? Are you this polar about text editors, web browsers, DE,
and other tools, too?
It seems like this thread is no longer productive.
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be enabled for squeeze?) and
> <http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts> which leads me to think that
> Apache needs something like "Should-Start: $database_server", but this
> is mainly guessing. I would appreciate input from those familiar with
> this part of the Debian in
,
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