Hi Michael, On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Michael Schmitt <tcwardr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez: > >> On 20/11/12 22:55, Michael Schmitt wrote: >>> >>> If one likes Gnome2.x or MATE or not is a question of taste, to >>> acknowledge that many users are just mad about Gnome3 is a fact. To >>> offer no real sane upgrade-path for those users is... dunno how to say >>> it in another way, it is just insane! I did invest some time with >>> thinking about all of this including talking to some MATE folks and >>> current squeeze-gnome-users, and again thinking and thinking... imho it >>> must be done everything possible to try to circumvent that imho probable >>> desaster for the desktop users. Especially when I think of the real >>> *average next door users* not the techie guys who may be happy (or at >>> least not cry to loud about it) to invest some time tweaking their Xfce >>> or KDE to behave more or less like their old gnome2 did. And if you >>> really insist, I can give you detailed reports about what kind of >>> problems those users have with the current DEs in Debian including >>> gnome3, but I don't want to bloat this mail anymore. I just can >>> guarantee you now, the panel in gnome3-fallback being black is not one >>> of them. ;) >>> >>> From my point of view, as said I can't comment much on the technical >>> aspects here. I can just ask those who may have the ability to do so, to >>> do it in a fair way, with as less prejudice as possible. Again, for the >>> users that will have an issue with the current envisioned upgrade-path. >>> For those users not so keen about adding a third-party repo to their >>> sources.list, those users not knowing about the possibility to do so, >>> those users that will get pissed. >>> >>> regards >>> Michael >>> >>> P.S.: I know there is already work in progress for MATE for jessie, I >>> just think that is too late. But I don't want to trip on anyones toes >>> here.... >> >> AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy >> has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in >> the archive for testing during the freeze. > > So much for the general rules... but exceptions ARE possible! And I just try > to make a case here about how important it might be! > > >> If you want a "classical" desktop your main options are: gnome3-classic, >> XFCE and LXDE. You have also cinnamon on sid (it won't make to wheezy) > > It is *not* about me and I know already all available options in all > possible flavors and directions available as of today for wheezy.
I'm guessing that by the time wheezy is released MATE will be in unstable and the wheezy-backports won't be far behind. It is a sensible compromise. Remember, Debian is more that just a Desktop operating system. Let's work within policy and be respectful to those who are working hard to get the release ready. Cheers, -mz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caolfk3xq2cntrywk1lgjslglrhxv1yrfrbshoahrn3lprr_...@mail.gmail.com
