Re: GnuPG 2.4 before Trixie freeze

2025-01-13 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 at 23:08, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > Thanks for this discussion, all-- > > On Tue 2025-01-07 15:16:27 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > I believe this would be good, I frequently run into GnuPG bugs in the > > 2.2.x branch that was fixed years ago in 2.4 > > Can you identify

Re: Bits from DPL

2025-01-08 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 at 14:35, Peter Pentchev wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 10:19:34AM +0100, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: > > Le 2025-01-07 21:52, Peter Pentchev a écrit : > > > > > > Hm. That sounds interesting, but I think the Debian project cannot > > > protect such a mirror from autom

Bug#1085268: ITP: sphinxcontrib-globalsubs -- sphinx extension to support global substitutions

2024-10-17 Thread Luca Boccassi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Luca Boccassi X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: sphinxcontrib-globalsubs Version : 0.1.2 Upstream Author : Stefan Wiehler * URL : https://github.com/missinglinkelectronics/sphinxcontrib-globalsubs

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-01 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:23, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > On 2024-08-01 12:23:43 +0100 (+0100), Luca Boccassi wrote: > [...] > > To pick a random example, a less well known, less used, less > > popular distribution like Nixos has 7000+ contributors listed on > > Github.

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-01 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 21:57, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 18:36:29 +0100, Luca Boccassi > wrote: > >On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:16, Marc Haber wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 12:23:43 +0100, Luca Boccassi > >> wrote: > >> >T

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-01 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:16, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 12:23:43 +0100, Luca Boccassi > wrote: > >The vast majority of people who > >are forced to use emails do so for work via a > >work-mediated/administered interface that tries to make it somewhat &g

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-01 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 13:43, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Le Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 12:23:43PM +0100, Luca Boccassi a écrit : > > > > run a CI before uploading, even a very basic one is just fine, better > > than nothing. > > Thanks for the remider ! I will have a closer

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-01 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 09:49, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-08-01 07:30:18) > > You have for sure developed an optimal workflow for yourself. > > Then I have failed: I have strived towards a collaborative workflow. > > Just not a web-centered collaborative workflow, but an

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-01 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 10:36, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi Otto, > > Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-07-28 00:38:40) > > I have drafted a new DEP at > > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian package

Re: Size measuring contest (Was: what about Netplan?)

2024-07-16 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 at 14:46, Daniel Gröber wrote: > > Hi Luca, > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 02:50:17PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > Let's put some hard numbers on the table given this is an important > > detail. The following is all starting from a defaul

Re: what about Netplan?

2024-07-16 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 at 14:05, gregor herrmann wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:13:16 +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > > > I suspect having something that's agnostic about the underlying > > implementation as our default would be rather better for the non-systemd > > options that people care about, …

Re: what about Netplan?

2024-07-15 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 at 00:26, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 03:47:16PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > Assuming that's really needed, and it's far from clear that different > > use cases should really use the exact same things, using > >

Re: what about Netplan?

2024-07-15 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 at 14:36, Lukas Märdian wrote: > = "How to do networking on Debian?" = > > If we have to tell our users and sysadmins to do "X" on Debian server systems > (using ifupdown or potentially sd-networkd), while doing "Y" on Debian desktop > systems (using NetworkManager), while doin

Re: what about Netplan?

2024-07-15 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 19:21, Simon McVittie wrote: > Dependency size and maintenance > --- > > I also notice that the netplan.io package would bring GLib, Python, > python3-dbus and python3-yaml into the dependencies of the base system, > among others. As an upstream a

Re: what about Netplan?

2024-07-14 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 19:21, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 17:09:48 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Luca Boccassi wrote: > > >Networking is not static, it constantly changes in the kernel, > > >sometimes in dramatic and incompatible ways. >

Re: what about Netplan?

2024-07-14 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 21:26, Philip Hands wrote: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > > Here's some stats from 'git shortlog --after="2021-12-31" -sn --all'. > > In the last ~2.5 years, in netplan.io's github repo, there are only 2 > > contrib

Re: what about Netplan?

2024-07-14 Thread Luca Boccassi
ntributors with more than 100 commits, and 2 with more than 10, and 2 of them are Canonical employees: 569 Lukas Märdian 310 Danilo Egea Gondolfo 39 Simon Chopin 38 Danilo Egêa Gondolfo 11 Robert Krátký Same stat, for the same period, for systemd: 6650 Yu Watanabe 5415

Re: what about Netplan?

2024-07-13 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 at 12:12, Lukas Märdian wrote: > > On 11.07.24 11:13, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Jul 11, Philip Hands wrote: > > > >> I've only seen netplan mentioned in passing in this thread so far. > > Because I believe that Netplan is the answer to a question that nobody > > asked here. >

Re: ifupdown maintenance

2024-07-13 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 18:02, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 at 16:21:16 +0200, Ansgar 🙀 wrote: > > On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 22:44 +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > > > I believe NM does not have a fixed configuration format, but only a dbus > > > API. > > > > It's perfectly fine to edit co

Re: ifupdown maintenance

2024-07-09 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 14:44, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 7/9/24 17:57, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > >> Agreed: either it's drop-in compatible or we may as well switch the > >> default to NM and/or systemd-networkd. > > > Well, here's a heretical thought: why don't we do that anyway, at leas

Re: File descriptor hard limit is now bumped to the kernel max

2024-06-14 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 at 13:21, Mourad De Clerck wrote: > > > PSA: as of systemd/256~rc3-3 the open file descriptors hard limit is > > bumped early at boot from 1048576 to the max value that the kernel > > allows, which on amd64 is currently 1073741816. > > Hi, > > It seems some proprietary software

Re: Re: About i386 support

2024-06-14 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 at 11:54, wrote: > > Then it's not a problem in the first place. If you can't reproduce a bug with > a reasonable effort, then it is unconfirmed and you can stop worrying about > it. A bug that can't be reproduced, effectively doesn't exist. > > That's not a reason to stop su

Re: Re: About i386 support

2024-06-14 Thread Luca Boccassi
ot;I have an old machine under the desk and can build some trivial packages", I am afraid. -- Kind regards, Luca Boccassi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

File descriptor hard limit is now bumped to the kernel max

2024-06-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
ed to switch to close_range, which is very simple to use and documented at: https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/close_range.2.html Please enjoy your extra file descriptors responsibly. -- Kind regards, Luca Boccassi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Mandatory LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 during package building

2024-06-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 at 09:07, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > > Hi, > > setting LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 in d/rules is a common way to fix many > reproducibility problems. It is also, in general, a more sane way to > build packages, in comparison to using whatever locale settings happen > to be set during a build.

Re: DEP17 /usr-move: debootstrap set uploaded

2024-06-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 at 10:02, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi Helmut, > > Quoting Helmut Grohne (2024-06-06 09:28:52) > > I have just uploaded > > * base-files > > * bash > > * dash > > * glibc > > * util-linux > > to unstable. These were the last remaining packages shipping ali

Bug#1072501: ITP: systemd-boot-installer -- Install systemd-boot on a hard disk

2024-06-02 Thread Luca Boccassi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Luca Boccassi X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: systemd-boot-installer Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Luca Boccassi * URL : https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/systemd-boot-installer * License

Re: Y2038-safe replacements for utmp/wtmp and lastlog

2024-05-31 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 31 May 2024 at 06:07, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > * Jun MO , 2024-05-31 01:05: > >And something "off topic". I find there is a char __glibc_reserved[20] > >variable in the struct utmp, which is commented as "Reserved for future > >use". Just a brainstorm, if this variable is not currently used,

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-29 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 29 May 2024 at 11:48, Lorenzo wrote: > > Hi, > > socklog-run is a syslog daemon, it has no dependency on > system-log-daemon Yes the initial list had some false positives, it has been pruned when filing and socklog-run is not part of it: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-29 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 29 May 2024 at 08:18, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Wed, 29 May 2024 00:44:29 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >On May 28, Andreas Metzler wrote: > >> I think it is bad choice to deliberately have different behavior for > >> freshly installed and upgraded systems. Offering upgrades has always > >

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-28 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 08:43, Guillem Jover wrote: > > Hi! > > On Tue, 2024-05-28 at 10:57:13 +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > > On 5/27/24 22:18, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > So I think your syslogd-is-journald could not be a Provides on the > > > existing systemd-sysv package, and would have to be a

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-28 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 02:57, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/27/24 22:18, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > So I think your syslogd-is-journald could not be a Provides on the > > existing systemd-sysv package, and would have to be a separate package. > > I'm not sure that the benefit is worth it

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 5 May 2024 at 21:04, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 19:42:37 +0200 Michael Biebl > wrote: > > > > Hi Eric > > > > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:12:48 + Eric Desrochers > > wrote: > > > Package: systemd > > > Version: 2

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 17:04, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Simon McVittie writes: > > > I know fail2ban and logcheck do read plain-text logs (although as > > mentioned, fail2ban already has native Journal-reading support too), and > > I would guess that fwlogwatch, snort and xwatch probably also read

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 15:09, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 14:38:44 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > Yes this sounds reasonable - do you already have an idea about which > > is which, from the list above? > > Nothing reliable, so please check before

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 13:59, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 03:29:53 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > The list of affected packages according to apt-cache showpkg is not > > that long either: > > > > anacron > > approx > >

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 13:41, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 03:29:53 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > In Bookworm we enabled persistent journald by default, which was the > > right choice. The problem is that some packages declare a dependency on > > th

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 13:38, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/27/24 19:59, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > This MBF is > > not about removing the virtual provides where they are defined, they > > can stay as-is, but downgrading/removing the hard dependenci

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 12:53, Ansgar 🙀 wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, 2024-05-27 at 03:29 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > TL;DR: drop or downgrade dependency on system-log-daemon from any > > package that declares it > > +1. Log service freedom is important. Packages s

Re: MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 06:00, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/27/24 11:29, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > With the default system installation including persistent journald by > > default, it doesn't seem useful anymore to have such dependencies. They > &g

MBF: drop dependencies on system-log-daemon

2024-05-26 Thread Luca Boccassi
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Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-05-23 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 23 May 2024 at 03:01, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/23/24 04:32, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > >>> It could be argued that testing migration is a CI process. >> Its a CI > >>> process at a way too late stage. > >> Also, uploading to test a merge request is not the right thing to

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-05-22 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 22 May 2024 at 12:35, Bill Allombert wrote: > > On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 12:59:52AM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > On Thu, 2024-04-11 at 22:52 +, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > > > > When a change leads to a RC bug a month or three after having be > > > part of a package, fixing the probl

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-05-21 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 22 May 2024 at 00:40, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Salvo Tomaselli writes: > > > If the debian/ directory is on salsa, but the rest of the project is > > somewhere else, then this no longer works, I have to tag in 2 different > > places, I have 2 different repositories to push to and so on. >

Re: Salsa - best thing in Debian in recent years? (Re: finally end single-person maintainership)

2024-05-21 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 21 May 2024 at 14:13, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 08:45:50PM +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 5/21/24 15:54, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > > > > > The Debian archive itself is a VCS, so git-maintained packaging is also > > > > a > > > > duplicatio

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-05-21 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 21 May 2024 at 03:16, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/21/24 10:43, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > >> The ecosystem, however, does not support our workflows, and adapting it > >> to do that is even more effort than maintaining our own tools. [...] > &

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-05-20 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 21 May 2024 at 02:08, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/21/24 07:43, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > Also its a gitlab instance. There are all kinds of documentation, > > tutorials, videos and software for/about gitlab, including lots of > > beginner friendly options. There is a whole ecosy

Re: About i386 support

2024-05-19 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 19 May 2024 at 23:30, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 5/19/24 17:30, r...@neoquasar.org wrote: > > I have an N270 system I can use to contribute, if someone is willing to > > explain what I need to do to make it useful. > > Hi, > > If you allow me ... I was expecting someone else to write it

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-17 Thread Luca Boccassi
something to do > with > X/gdm/gnome? > > /tmp/.X0-lock > /tmp/.X1024-lock > /tmp/.X1025-lock > > /tmp/.X11-unix > /tmp/.X1-lock > > /tmp/.XIM-unix > > /tmp/.font-unix > > /tmp/.ICE-unix These are all already covered by /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/x11.conf

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 17:33, Sam Hartman wrote: > > >>>>> "Luca" == Luca Boccassi writes: > > Luca> On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 15:42, Richard Lewis > Luca> wrote: > >> > >> Luca Boccassi writes: > >> &

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 22:57, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Richard Lewis writes: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > >> what would break where, and how to fix it? > > > Another one for you to investigate: I believe apt source and 'apt-get > > source'

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 7 May 2024 at 15:53, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > "Johannes" == Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues > > writes: > >> > > If [files can be deleted automatically while mmdebstrap is using > them], > >> > > how should applications guard against that from > >> > > happening? >

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 23:03, Richard Lewis wrote: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > > Hence, I am not really looking for philosophical discussions or lists > > of personal preferences or hypotheticals, but for facts: what would > > break where, and how to fix it? > &

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 23:00, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-05-06 23:28:59) > > On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 22:27, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 06 May 2024 at 22:08:56 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues > &g

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 22:27, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Mon, 06 May 2024 at 22:08:56 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > If [files can be deleted automatically while mmdebstrap is using them], > > how should applications guard against that from > > happening? > > As documented in

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 21:08, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi, > > Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-05-06 15:20:08) > > While personal anecdotes and stories can be interesting and amusing in many > > circumstances, I am not really looking for those at this ve

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 21:30, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > On a fresh installed fedora system I downloaded a .iso in /tmp, then the > OOMkiller killed wayland, so everything died. > > If you know you won't ever fill it up, I guess it's fine. But I'd go for the > safer (and sadly slower) option. You

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 16:51, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > tmpfiles.d snippets can be defined to cleanup on a timer _anything_, > > It's a question of what the *default* behaviour should be. No, it is not, at least not for the strawman you conjured. So I gather that git doesn't warn when clon

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 16:42, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/6/24 19:57, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Afaik, /var/tmp has never been cleaned up on /boot. > > So I'm not sure what you mean with "no longer"? > > Oof, you're right, it was /tmp, /var/run, /var/lock: > > [ "$VERBOSE" != no

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 16:30, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5/6/24 20:19, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > Is that the default layout, or a selectable option? > > When you create a partition manually, it asks for the mount point, and > makes a number of suggestions

Re: Bug#966621: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 15:42, Richard Lewis wrote: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > > Hence, I am not really looking for philosophical discussions or lists > > of personal preferences or hypotheticals, but for facts: what would > > break where, and how to fix it? > >

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 16:03, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > If it clones into /tmp the *entire* tree will either be reaped (upon > reboot) or not. > > But having just some files deleted from a git dir or git working dir > is much more dangerous, because various git commands can treat files > dele

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 15:31, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > What I am looking for right now is packages or internal > > infrastructure that need > > an update to cope with these two changes before I upload them, so if > > you know of any please do let me know and I'll happily look into it > > a

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 13:42, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > Then upon reading the release notes, on such a machine, one can simply do: > > > > touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf > > > > And they get no automated cleanups. > > This also disables on-boot cleaning of /tmp/. Yes, as it's going to be a

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 12:15, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 06.05.24 um 12:35 schrieb Simon Richter: > > Hi, > > > > On 5/6/24 17:40, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > >> If we go with a/, then I think d-i should be updated to no longer > >> create /tmp as a separate partition. > > > > I think if the admin

Re: Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 11:33, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > We have two separate issues here: > > > a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs > > b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp > > > I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. > > Agreed. > > I also don't see any issue with a/, at worst peop

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 11:48, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 06.05.24 um 12:18 schrieb Luca Boccassi: > > Defaults are defaults, they are trivially and fully overridable where > > needed if needed. Especially container and VM managers these days can > > super trivially overrid

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 09:40, Michael Biebl wrote: > > We have two separate issues here: > > a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs > b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp > > I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. > > Regarding a/: > tmp.mount as shipped by systemd uses the following mount opt

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 06:36, Paul Gevers wrote: > > Hi Luca, > > On 05-05-2024 10:04 p.m., Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > Hence, I intend to apply these changes in the next src:systemd upload > > to unstable, probably next week. > > > In case anybody is aware of

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-05 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 5 May 2024 at 22:22, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > > In case anybody is aware of packages/programs needing an update to cope > > with these changes, or any other issue, please let me know and I will > > file bugs. > > in localslackirc@.service > > ReadWritePaths=/var/tmp > > It uses /var/tmp

Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-05 Thread Luca Boccassi
ns to override for anybody wanting to keep the old behaviour, which is as trivial as: systemctl mask tmp.mount (or touch /etc/systemd/system/tmp.mount) touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf for the former and the latter respectively. In case anybody is aware of packages/programs needing an update to cope

Re: Y2038-safe replacements for utmp/wtmp and lastlog

2024-04-26 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 12:30, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: > > Fellow Developers, > > you are probably aware of the time_t-64bit migration :-) > However, this does not magically transition all data formats to 64bit > times. One such instance is the set of utmp/wtmp and lastlog files. > > Thorsten Kuk

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-13 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 at 10:11, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > > New contributors won't start in a vacuum, most will start contributing > > first to existing projects on Salsa > > Or maybe they start with an ITP+RFS… was that an informed statement or a > supposition? It is my experience in receiving pa

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 at 17:17, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 13.04.24 00:19, Marc Haber wrote: > > >> 'Require' is probably the wrong word. I simply have heard from several > >> potential young contributors that they feel blocked by the tooling and > >> specifically not everything in Git. >

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 at 23:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 17194 March 1977, Luca Boccassi wrote: > >> Simple packages need someone who is responsible and responsive for > >> them > >> in the long run and know there history much more than needing > >> sp

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 at 22:49, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Le Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 11:37:47PM +0200, Gioele Barabucci a écrit : > > On 07/04/24 23:11, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > > What is your opinion about pushing logtool to Salsa? > > > > > > Not speaking for logtool obviously, but maintaining simp

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-04-05 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 at 16:18, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 03:19:23PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > I find that having the upstream source code in git (in the same form that > > we use for the .orig.tar.*, so including Autotools noise, etc. if present, > > but excluding any fi

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-03-31 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 at 15:44, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > > In the end, massaged tarballs were needed to avoid rerunning autoconfery > > on twelve thousands different proprietary and non-proprietary Unix > > variants, back in the day. In 2024, we

Re: xz backdoor

2024-03-31 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 at 08:39, Bastian Blank wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 12:05:54PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 11:22:33PM -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote: > > > As others have said, the best solution is to relay on HSW for handling > > > the cryptographi

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-03-30 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 at 06:29, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Antonio Russo writes: > > > The way I see it, there are two options in handling a buildable package: > > > 1. That file would have been considered a build artifact, consequently > > removed and then regenerated. No backdoor. > > > 2. The file

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-03-30 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 at 09:57, Iustin Pop wrote: > > On 2024-03-30 08:02:04, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > > Now it is time to take a step forward: > > > > 1. new upstream release; > > 2. the DD/DM merges the upstream release VCS into the Debian VCS; > > 3. the buildd is notified of the new release; >

Re: Understanding what's missing for Rust dynamic linking (was: Proposal for how to deal with Go/Rust/etc security bugs)

2024-01-25 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 18:22, Gard Spreemann wrote: > > Hello. > > Paul Wise writes: > > > On Thu, 2024-01-25 at 00:24 +, Wookey wrote: > > > >> People keep telling us (@ARM) how marvellous Rust is, and we keep > >> telling them that it's useless in the real world until it sorts out > >> the

Re: Proposal for how to deal with Go/Rust/etc security bugs

2024-01-25 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 16:11, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Simon Josefsson writes: > > > I want to explore if there is a possibility to change status quo, and > > what would be required to do so. > > > Given how often gnulib is vendored for C code in Debian, and other > > similar examples, I don't thi

Re: Proposal for how to deal with Go/Rust/etc security bugs

2024-01-24 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 13:34, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > >> Having reflected a bit, and learned through my own experience and > >> others' insights [1] that Go Build-Depends are not transitive, I'd like > >> to update my p

Re: Proposal for how to deal with Go/Rust/etc security bugs (was: Re: Limited security support for Go/Rust? Re ssh3)

2024-01-24 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 12:26, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi, > > Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-01-24 12:59:38) > > There's always option B: recognize that the Rust/Go ecosystems are not > > designed to be compatible with the Linux distribution

Re: Proposal for how to deal with Go/Rust/etc security bugs (was: Re: Limited security support for Go/Rust? Re ssh3)

2024-01-24 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 11:42, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > Simon Josefsson writes: > > >> > My naive approach on how to fix a security problem in package X > >> > which is > >> > statically embedded into other packages A, B, C, ... would be to > >> > rebuild > >> > the transitive closure of all pac

Re: Please help test the PAM in experimental

2024-01-20 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 at 18:41, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > There are a number of changes, and I'd just like a bit more confidence > that it works as expected before uploading to unstable in about a week. > > Changes include: > > * Running pam_umask with usergroups support by default. > > * libpam-modu

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-28 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 03:01, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 12/28/23 04:28, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > if you want to activate a new alternative, you have to download a new > > package that provides it anyway, so there's no difference. Subsequent > >

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-27 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 at 22:48, Stephan Seitz wrote: > > Am So, Dez 24, 2023 at 10:06:09 +0100 schrieb Gioele Barabucci: > >After the installation there would be no /usr/bin/gpg. Once the user > >installs, say, ggp-is-gnupg then /usr/bin/gpg will point to > >/usr/bin/gpg-gnupg. Users (and scripts) a

Re: Deprecation of /etc/alternatives? (Re: Reaction to potential PGP schism)

2023-12-23 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 at 18:43, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > > On 22/12/23 00:40, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > > If you're asking about using /etc/alternatives or something like that to > > provide some sort of generic swapping capability, or a dpkg Provides:, > > such that /usr/bin/gpg on some systems

Re: New Essential package procps-base

2023-11-14 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 10:13, Helmut Grohne wrote: > So in essence, you asked for changing the pidof implementation and > Andreas and me try to turn this into a much bigger quest of making it > non-essential. While these matters are related, they can be done > independently in principle and if you

Re: Linking coreutils against OpenSSL

2023-11-10 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 14:22, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > Luca Boccassi wrote on 10/11/2023 at 15:00:24+0100: > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 13:45, Bjørn Mork wrote: > >> > >> Luca Boccassi writes: > >> > >> > If we want to

Re: Linking coreutils against OpenSSL

2023-11-10 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 13:48, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 10:38:13AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote: > >Per-architecture dependencies are possible though, so maybe starting > >to add the libssl dependency only on amd64 is a good starting point, > >

Re: Linking coreutils against OpenSSL

2023-11-10 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 13:45, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > > If we want to start nitpicking, then let's be exact: 0.61% of popcon. > > Whether that qualifies as "plenty" we'll leave as an exercise for the > > readers. > >

Re: Linking coreutils against OpenSSL

2023-11-10 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 11:54, Matthew Vernon wrote: > > Luca Boccassi writes: > > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 at 22:54, Benjamin Barenblat wrote: > > >> What would you think about having coreutils Depend on libssl3? This > >> would make the libssl3 pac

Re: Linking coreutils against OpenSSL

2023-11-10 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 02:26, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > > What would you think about having coreutils Depend on libssl3? This > > would make the libssl3 package essential, which is potentially > > undesirable, but it also has the potential for serious user time savings > > (on recent Intel

Re: Linking coreutils against OpenSSL

2023-11-09 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 at 22:54, Benjamin Barenblat wrote: > > Dear Debian folks, > > coreutils can link against OpenSSL, yielding a substantial speed boost > in sha256sum etc. For many years, this was inadvisable due to license > conflicts. However, as of bookworm, coreutils requires GPL-3+ and > Ope

Bug#1055424: ITP: python-sdbus -- modern Python D-Bus library

2023-11-05 Thread Luca Boccassi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Luca Boccassi X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: python-sdbus Version : 0.11.1 Upstream Author : various * URL : https://github.com/python-sdbus/python-sdbus * License : LGPL-2.1-or-later

Bug#1053818: ITP: pkcs11-provider -- OpenSSL 3 provider for PKCS11

2023-10-11 Thread Luca Boccassi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Luca Boccassi X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: pkcs11-provider Version : 0.2 Upstream Contact: Red Hat * URL : https://github.com/latchset/pkcs11-provider * License : Apache-2.0 Programming

Bug#1053185: ITP: python-varlink -- Python implementation of the Varlink protocol

2023-09-28 Thread Luca Boccassi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Luca Boccassi X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name : python-varlink Version : 31.0.0 Upstream Author : various * URL : https://github.com/varlink/python * License

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