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> The main thing is we can describe dependency as `pkg (= "2.0")' and yum will
> install package `pkg' of version "2.0" with the maximum revision
> found. And also we can write dependency specifically with revision,
> f.e. `pkg (= "2.0-43")' and yum will install specifically
Marc Haber wrote:
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wrote:
>[ ? 11/11/2015 18:14 ] [ ? Marc Haber ]
>> Once and for all we're doing _SOMETHING_ right, let's keep it that
>> way.
>I do not agree that we are doing something exactly r
Ben Hutchings wrote:
Contrary to what I thought, the Xeon Phi processors are actually 64-bit
. However I think they're a little too weird to support with the same
binaries - no CMOV, no MMX and no SSE.
I think we’ve both been mistaken by Intel documents describing Xeon P
Ben Hutchings wrote:
Since the 686-class, introduced with the Pentium Pro, is now almost 20
years old, we believe there are few Debian systems still running that
have 586-class or hybrid processors. The only such processors
apparently still available for sale are
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> Not to mention that this bikeshed thread about the Bikeshed name is
> going to be both epic and very meta.
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requested not to display such entries. If the tool is not generally
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OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn are mostly useful for packages that are part of
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> In that case, the WLAN access point ("FooAP" or so) should be tagged
as
> "modem", not sure if n-m can do that. Am trying to file a wishlist
> bug for that by BCCing submit@.
And? How's that supposed to solve the problem?
ing PackageKit for
updates.
The default policy is to not schedule any downloads when running on
battery or on a modem connection.
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about how secure it is, either)
You need to use dm-crypt or ecryptfs, that make use of the kernel’s
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checking in enough major toolkits.
At least in GTK3, I can tell you that it’s not here, and using untrusted
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Which is suitable "distribution" in changelog for Jessie and wheezy
point release? (and why) I just looked debian-release posts and
confused...
- stable / oldstable
- stable-proposed-updates / oldstable-proposed-updates
Hi,
Martin Pitt wrote:
The main objection in the discussion was that path based names aren't
appropriate for USB based devices. I agree, so I change my proposal to
use MAC based names for anything USB based. The names will look even
worse as they include the MAC i
Marco d'Itri wrote:
I do not expect systemd-networkd taking over NM when an interaction
with
a GUI is needed, but OTOH I see no reason to use NM on servers when
(recent) systemd-networkd is available, since it is much leaner.
In the current state of affairs, that’s pro
ng system (if we find the good one), or we get
> involved into the development of own full-featured system.
How about http://jenkins-debian-glue.org/ ?
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> The NM configuration is based on MAC addresses and doesn’t care about
> the interface name at all. This is the exact opposite of “handling
> dynamic names ungracefully”.
Well, that's assuming hardware that has a permanent MAC address
interface name at all. This is the exact opposite of “handling
dynamic names ungracefully”.
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ill this be a goal for Stretch?
> This and reproducible builds would make Debian the perfect distribution for
> me.
> Whats in the way of making it happen? Lack of people willing to do it?
Last time I checked, dak was still missing code to handle the
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Bjørn Mork wrote:
> We support non-systemd-as-pid-1 configurations, but they still run
> logind through systemd-shim.
systemd-shim is not essential. You can still install jessie without
systemd, and hence without running logind.
This is completely off-t
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
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> The default should be safe.
No.
The default should be as safe as we can make it without becoming
inconvenient.
As long as we still
ment of
Debian* with off-topic bitter rants about decisions that are not going
to be undone for jessie. They *are* forcing those who want to discuss
the development of Debian to read this fecal matter instead.
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> >>>>> Josselin Mouette writes:
>
> […]
>
> > Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
> > that could be provided elsewhere.
>
> Is that “
Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 à 21:29 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette
> wrote:
> >Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
> >that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
> &
ery tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
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> well, debconf seems like a win here.
> There's no reasonable default so it's desirable to make it easy for
the
> admin to specify and so you'd probably want to use normal best
practice
> for debconf updates.
I agree with this but unf
Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 21:20 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
> It’s not because the resolution is wrong, either. Of course, my opinion
> is that it is wrong, and that it is going to rain fire on us when
> upgraded systems do not behave like freshly installed ones.
Ansgar pointed
us CTTE decision has been derailed into a
lengthy debate on the philosophy of menu systems.
When a trivial request takes so much time to decide on, and a complex
one is rushed into a hasty resolution, well, maybe that explains the
trust issue I was talking about.
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was already installed.
This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution was
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te if
you could be less antagonistic about it. Especially against the person
in the CTTE who has been spending the most time digging actual technical
solutions.
The harm is done. The question is: how can we improve our
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of /usr/lib/$triplet/gconf, but is there really a point?
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zombies.
Said otherwise, it is not possible to write a reliable service manager
without integrating it to what happens in process #1.
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> pre-made packages (hardkernel community), on Omega it's sunxi-mali.
If there is a problem between Mali and cogl, please report it against
cogl before tasksel.
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check before?
> Specific information about eg, powerpc hardware that can and cannot
> support it would be useful.
Have the porters been put in the loop?
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to gather all logging sources to a single place, *reliably* tagged by
service, integrated with service management and syslog, and that can be
queried in a fast way.
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drivers
* not sure for mips* and s390
So of course if you want to be sure it works in a Qemu host, GNOME is
probably not the best choice. But in the real world it’s a bit more
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How do you hack a quick init script these days?:)
I write a systemd unit file. It’s smaller, faster to write, easier to
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>The problem on servers is that you need advanced features such as
>bridging, VLANs, bonding… and NM already does all of that.
Is there documentation abou
As Vincent explained, NM works in a similar way.
The problem on servers is that you need advanced features such as
bridging, VLANs, bonding… and NM already does all of that.
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(*) I intendedly omitted csh because it is extremely bad for
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On 26 September 2014 14:15, Russ Allbery wrote:
That would surprise me. In one case, you're setting an
environment
variable and then running sudo. In the other case,
you're telling sudo to
isibly broken yet.)
Thanks for your effort.
Since I’m pretty sure we haven’t uncovered all of bash’s “features”,
wouldn’t it be a good opportunity to make a release goal of killing all
scripts with a #!/bin/bash shebang?
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is fine for servers or administrated
workstations, where upgrading is usually done either interactively or
through unattended-upgrades.
For personal desktops, I would find it much more useful to get this
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the existence of such qemu guests that wouldn’t be
KVM-enabled.
In any case, you have the option to disable the testsuite depending on
the contents of /proc/cpuinfo.
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I’m not sure they are. It’s just that LLVMpipe is really awesome :)
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rk on.
→ Is the installation CD size still relevant?
→ What is the target audience of Debian-installer for the default image?
→ What is the required level of accessibility?
→ Will you configure different defaults for different architectures?
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Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 14:53 +0200, wm4 a écrit :
> gstreamer has more problems than it solves. (Forces glib/gobject on
> you, GTK-style OOP, pretty crashy, tons of low-quality plugins,
> complicated API and design, ...)
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Thanks for making the point that with llvmpipe, GNOME is perfectly
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Those 10 security updates might represent more work than 100 *really*
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for this kind of stuff, but I’m pretty sure we would break some systems
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> On Mon, 07 Jul 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > If they don’t need any of the systemd features, I guess they don’t need
> > any of its reverse dependencies either.
>
> Rubbish. I want network-manager, but
o they complain about “stealth installation” of systemd?
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d to complain.
Until that happens, the only thing that you are entitled to is suffer in
*silence*.
[1] If, when reading that, you want to suggest alternatives, feel free
to do so by private mail as this is irrelevant to the discussion, and be
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> I never understood why Debian doesn't.
You are entitled to the opinion that setuid is a good security design.
Thankfully, most of the Linux community disagrees with you.
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Other OSes (I assume you are talking about other desktop OSes such as
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Are you going to recommend a $package-must-die for each of them?
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themes are supported, and that a program was written
*by GNOME developers* to choose (among other things) the theme.
Given the fact/bullshit ratio of your recent posts, I invite you, again,
to take a step back from debian-devel.
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> Does bash-completion work when the command is sudo not service?
Yes.
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> dislike systemd, but also it's maintainers.
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Good luck making any package relying on a PolicyKit-wrapped interface to
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> produces any useful results, ever. And lets not even talk about whether
> the results it produces are accurate or reproducible...
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> images for DVDs rather than simply CD.
This is a good argument for getting the desktop task out of CD#1.
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Le samedi 05 avril 2014 à 11:50 +0200, Milan Zamazal a écrit :
> FYI, Xfce + Firefox runs fine on a >10 years old computer with 256 MB
> RAM for all practical needs of the user.
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> possibility that it would meet our needs for Jessie
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k is definitely the best
way to go for our users. But back in squeeze, such a thing did not exist
and we shipped a different client by default for SIP.
I would definitely object to shipping one based on Java, though, unless
it can work with GCJ.
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However, given the current state of Java in Debian, it would be
extremely unwise to install software depending on it in the default
installation.
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think it
is being designed more for cases like the initramfs, where you cannot
have a full-blown networking management tool like NM.
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Le vendredi 28 mars 2014 à 11:45 +, Thorsten Glaser a écrit :
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> > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
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> > > Alternatively, we could make NetworkManager the default.
> > > It is already h
natively, we could make NetworkManager the default.
It is already here, it works, and it doesn’t have such problems.
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, but the
interesting part would be a stack trace.
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is configurable behavior; it can be better in some multi-user
environments.
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and now relies completely
on PulseAudio (at least for GNOME).
When you have trouble with sound, at first:
* Click on the volume icon
* Click on the “volume control” button
* Select the HDMI or analog device, and set a few options
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect the user to follow that
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