Re: Bug#500176: This bug is still around and release-critical

2008-10-07 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:46:11 +0200 Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Agreed, that would be nice. While this is something to consider for > > squeeze release goals, how do we solve the problem for lenny? > > I see no proper fix, except using an /etc/default file, which is ugly.

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Do you see a particular problem with requiring that? > > Yes. I think main should remain self contained. This is the > same reason we have a contrib section -- packages in contrib can not be > built with the software contained in main. De

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
"Paul Wise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I fully agree with you in principle. The 'restricted' idea is basically >> a convenience service for our users and distributors. > > Such convenience services already exist (debian-multimedia.org, > debian-unofficial.org), Debian doesn't need to start one

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fully agree with you in principle. The 'restricted' idea is basically > a convenience service for our users and distributors. Such convenience services already exist (debian-multimedia.org, debian-unofficial.org), Deb

Re: Bug#501137: ITP: acerfand -- Control the fan of the Acer Aspire One

2008-10-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 05:30:12PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Matthew, and out of personal curiosity (as I will probably continue to > use this, at least until something better comes along): What does the > danger amount to? Say, a random lock-up? Or will it lead to hardware > malfunction (or sho

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Perhaps instead of trying to come with a hierarchical classification, > we should simply expose what we know about patents and any other > distribution issue in a machine readable way. > > What a bout a debian/distribution or debian/copyright2 file whi

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Ben Finney
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes. I think main should remain self contained. This is the > same reason we have a contrib section -- packages in contrib can > not be built with the software contained in main. s/can not be built/can not be built and installed/ It's nece

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Oct 07 2008, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > Didier Raboud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> - source packages in 'main' may build-depend on packages in 'patented' >> >> This is problematic for a self-buildable main everywhere, no ? > > This means that buildds would need to add both 'main' and

Re: Britney error with the gossip package?

2008-10-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 07 octobre 2008 à 17:13 -0400, Felipe Sateler a écrit : > Wasn't dpkg supposed to use max(shlibs, build-depends)? The rationale, IIRC, > is > because a particular program might rely on a specific bugfix in a given > version > of the library. Since bugfixes don't cause shlibs bumps, this

Re: Bug#501137: ITP: acerfand -- Control the fan of the Acer Aspire One

2008-10-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Matthew Garrett dijo [Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:35:11AM +0100]: > Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Keeps the fan from spinning constantly in the noisy Acer Aspire > > One. Provides also tools to query several machine-specific EC > > registers > > Be careful with this - it can't perfo

Re: Britney error with the gossip package?

2008-10-07 Thread Felipe Sateler
Neil Williams wrote: > On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:02:11 +0100 > Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > britney only considers installability, not buildability. >> >> Maybe it should - after all, in the phase prior to a release, the >> ability to build the entire release from source *is* impo

Re: Britney error with the gossip package?

2008-10-07 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm assuming there are records of unblocks beyond the mailing list > archive? The release team's hint files are available: http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/ In this case: testing/hints/luk:unblock gossip/1:0.31-1 We move hints that were done

Re: Britney error with the gossip package?

2008-10-07 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:02:11 +0100 Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > britney only considers installability, not buildability. > > Maybe it should - after all, in the phase prior to a release, the > ability to build the entire release from source *is* important. To me, > this is precisel

Re: Britney error with the gossip package?

2008-10-07 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:42:07 +0100 "Adam D. Barratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 20:21 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > > $ rmadison libloudmouth1-0 > > > > libloudmouth1-0 |1.4.0-1 | testing | alpha, amd64, arm, > > armel, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > - introduce a new section 'patented' > - packages in 'patented' must fulfill the requirements of the dfsg > - source packages in 'main' may produce binaries in 'patented' > - binary packages in 'main' must not depend on packages in 'patented' > -

Re: Britney error with the gossip package?

2008-10-07 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 20:21 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > $ rmadison libloudmouth1-0 > > libloudmouth1-0 |1.4.0-1 | testing | alpha, amd64, arm, > armel, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc > libloudmouth1-0 |1.4.2-1 | unstable | alpha, amd64, arm, > armel,

Britney error with the gossip package?

2008-10-07 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:25:12 +0200 Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From #501423: FTBFS in lenny: Unsatisfiable build-dependency: libloudmouth1-dev(inst 1.4.0-1 ! >= wanted 1.4.1) > Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 18:57 +0100 schrieb Neil Williams: > > Migration to testing happens auto

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Banck dijo [Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:14:23PM +0200]: > > Also, something must patented in which / how many of the 160 juristrictions > > on > > this planet (to apply for this category)? > > "How do you tell if a piece of software violates a patent? Run wc -l on > the source; if the numbe

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 16:44, Reinhard Tartler wrote: >> - packages in 'patented' must fulfill the requirements of the dfsg > > I dont think we should support the obsolete, useless & wrong patent > system by doing this. I fully agree with you in pr

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Didier Raboud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Do you see a particular problem with requiring that? > Yes... > > If I am in a country where the usage of the "patented" repo is forbidden for > whatever reason, I could (legally) not rebuild the whole "main" myself. "Usage" is generally not the problem

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Didier Raboud
Reinhard Tartler wrote: > Didier Raboud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> - source packages in 'main' may build-depend on packages in 'patented' >> >> This is problematic for a self-buildable main everywhere, no ? > > This means that buildds would need to add both 'main' and 'patented' to > the

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Luk Claes
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> Debian GNOME Maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>libgda3 (U) > > libgda3 has been fixed in unstable with high urgency. Needs unblocking. unblocked >> Debian Python Modules Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>matplotlib > > Seems to be fixed in t-p-u, but hasn't mig

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 05:54:22PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 16:44, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > > - packages in 'patented' must fulfill the requirements of the dfsg > > Also, something must patented in which / how many of the 160 juristrictions > on > this

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While we are at it, would be nice to have a section for DMCA-impaired software > such as libdvdcss. Presumably they couldn't be distributed from ftp-master (which is in the USA)? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/Pau

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Tuesday 07 October 2008 16:44, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > - packages in 'patented' must fulfill the requirements of the dfsg I dont think we should support the obsolete, useless & wrong patent system by doing this. Also, something must patented in which / how many of the 160 juristrictio

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Didier Raboud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> - source packages in 'main' may build-depend on packages in 'patented' > > This is problematic for a self-buildable main everywhere, no ? This means that buildds would need to add both 'main' and 'patented' to their sources.list, right. Do you see a

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Didier Raboud
Reinhard Tartler wrote: > Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> At the very least, we could distribute them in a specific "patented" >>> section, with rules similar to non-free, and that we’d only mirror in >>> countries where it is not a problem. >> >> While we are at it, would be nice

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> At the very least, we could distribute them in a specific "patented" >> section, with rules similar to non-free, and that we’d only mirror in >> countries where it is not a problem. > > While we are at it, would be nice to have a section for DMCA-impair

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 03:44:47PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > It has been already suggested to resurrect the non-us archive for such > cases, but this is not even necessary, since it is not a problem for us > to distribute such software from the US. > > At the very least, we could distrib

Re: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight -- open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight

2008-10-07 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 11:05:58AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 09:03, Robert Millan wrote: > > Unclaimed patents are precisely the reason we don't have any MPEG encoders > > in Debian (see http://techliberation.com/2006/05/11/mpeg-patent-thicket/). > > Wrong.

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 08 octobre 2008 à 00:07 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : > Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > However none of those lawsuits are comparable to debian, becuase: > > > > a) debian/spi is a non-profit organisation > > b) debian does not sell hardware > > Many recipients of

Bug#501450: ITP: libeventmachine-ruby -- Event-driven I/O library for high-performance threaded network programming

2008-10-07 Thread Daigo Moriwaki
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daigo Moriwaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libeventmachine-ruby Version : 0.12.2 Upstream Author : Francis Cianfrocca * URL : http://rubyeventmachine.com/ * License : GPL, Ruby's License Programming Lang: Ruby

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Julien Cristau
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 21:28:51 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >xorg (U) #500228 and #500231 (which want to be merged, I think) shouldn't be RC, I'll downgrade. >xorg-server (U) >xserver-xorg-video-glint (U) > #488669 and #500358 are the same, kernel changes in the sparc64 pci code b

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The best reference for patent enforcments I have is >> http://www.mpegla.com/news.cfm. >> >> However none of those lawsuits are comparable to debian, becuase: >> >> a) debian/spi is a non-profit organisat

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Ben Finney
Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The best reference for patent enforcments I have is > http://www.mpegla.com/news.cfm. > > However none of those lawsuits are comparable to debian, becuase: > > a) debian/spi is a non-profit organisation > b) debian does not sell hardware Many rec

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Montag, den 06.10.2008, 21:28 +0200 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > On 06/10/08 at 18:44 +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: [..] > Debian XML/SGML Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >sgml-base http://bugs.debian.org/477751 - Some time ago I already asked to tag this bug `lenny-ignore' but did not ge

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Nico Golde
Hi Reinhard, * Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-07 13:09]: > Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >xine-lib (#498243) > > Needs help. That report is a security report from ocert. The full report > can be seen here: http://www.oce

Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Reinhard, On Tuesday 07 October 2008 12:11, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > Can you please backup that claim? Well, no and yes ;-) You confirm it yourself, but then say its not comparible. I only said that those patents are being enforced, which they are. (I didnt mention whether thats comparible

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:11:49PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > >>acpid (U) > > > > AFAICT acpid in Lenny is RC-bug free. But maybe the list was created before > > the package migrated. > > Hm? It was you who upgraded the severity of #487815 to serious just six > days ago. Which was correct

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mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 09:03, Robert Millan wrote: >> Unclaimed patents are precisely the reason we don't have any MPEG encoders >> in Debian (see http://techliberation.com/2006/05/11/mpeg-patent-thicket/). > > Wrong. We dont have mpeg encoders in De

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-10-07 11:26 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 09:28:51PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> Michael Meskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>acpid (U) > > AFAICT acpid in Lenny is RC-bug free. But maybe the list was created before > the package migrated. Hm? It was you who upg

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Michael Meskes
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 09:28:51PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Michael Meskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >acpid (U) AFAICT acpid in Lenny is RC-bug free. But maybe the list was created before the package migrated. >citadel (U) Unstable version is fine but waiting for migration. Michael --

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-10-07 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Thomas Viehmann schreef: > Hi, > > Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: >>> Next try: http://194.39.182.225/debian/xen/try4. >> Hmm.. these packages are not available anymore? >> URL changed? > Your local Debian sid mirror, e.g. package > xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64. Strange, I don't see the packages

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
> win32-loader Waiting for loadlin, waiting for yasm, for which a patch just got commited upstream. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Luk Claes schrieb: >>> Guenter Geiger (Debian/GNU) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>gem >> This was fixed by an NMU, but can't transition to testing due to dependency >> on >> libquicktime 2:1.0.3+debian-2. What to do in cases like this? > > Contact the release team to see if it's possible to unbl

Re: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight -- open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight

2008-10-07 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Tuesday 07 October 2008 09:03, Robert Millan wrote: > Unclaimed patents are precisely the reason we don't have any MPEG encoders > in Debian (see http://techliberation.com/2006/05/11/mpeg-patent-thicket/). Wrong. We dont have mpeg encoders in Debian because those patents are being enforce

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
> Debian GNOME Maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >libgda3 (U) libgda3 has been fixed in unstable with high urgency. Needs unblocking. > Debian Python Modules Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >matplotlib Seems to be fixed in t-p-u, but hasn't migrated to testing yet. [1] says "Unblock request by lu

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 06 octobre 2008 à 21:28 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > maximilian attems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >linux-2.6 (U) There are old talks about a possible solution, but none of the maintainers is answering. > Dave Beckett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cairo Fix is ready, but needs d-i team appr

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-06 21:28]: > Debian Octave Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >octave-vrml Fixed in version 1.0.6-3, which was uploaded to unstable and unblocked by luk. Should be in testing in three days from now. -- Rafael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Test Debian : Release Goals, Point release, Foo-n-Half...

2008-10-07 Thread Franklin PIAT
On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 18:10 +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 06:02:17PM +0200, Franklin PIAT wrote: > > The page could have an "Expert" subpage (or let's name it kamikaze, so > > people don't get impressed by the name ;) > > Frankly, I'm not sure why to have distributions in

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 07/10/08 at 06:34 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 05:56 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 06/10/08 at 18:36 -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote: > > > Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > [...] > > > > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >firmware-nonfree (U) > > > >mklibs (U)

Re: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight -- open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight

2008-10-07 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:08:38PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: > > You're absolutely right, it's a clone, albeit one officially endorsed by > those being cloned. My package description is sourced from a > debian-multimedia package, I'll post a replacement to the ITP shortly. Thanks. > However, one