OT: Re: economic disadvantage of closed-source business model

2005-05-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 07:55:23PM -0700, Mashilamani Sambasivam wrote: > Hello, > I just want to get the opinion/comments of > developers on some 10 slides I made, if you have time: > 'Brief Analysis and Generalisation of Closed-Source > Software Business Model to All Maximum-Profit Based > Bu

economic disadvantage of closed-source business model

2005-05-02 Thread Mashilamani Sambasivam
Hello, I just want to get the opinion/comments of developers on some 10 slides I made, if you have time: 'Brief Analysis and Generalisation of Closed-Source Software Business Model to All Maximum-Profit Based Businesses ' the url: http://logo3dforkids.sphosting.com/slide1.html hope this is appr

Re: Outrageous Maintainer

2005-05-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 12:38:41AM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 06:45:26PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > > But you remove the package from testing doesn't mean we won't have > > users with it installed since it was present there so, IMHO, the > > Confl

Re: Status of 'sarge' for the amd64 architecture

2005-05-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 11:50:30AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Sorry, but I still don't understand it: > > > > You could continue to offer the complete archive as it is today, and it > > shouldn't be a big amount of work to offer one or more

Re: Status of PHP5?

2005-05-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 07:57:13PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10270 March 1977, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: > > > 1. The ftpmaster was a member of pkg-php project, he boycotts my work and > > don't offer something else. > > Im not a member of the php project and I would have rejected it too, I

Debian experimental package pending upload

2005-05-02 Thread Chad Walstrom
In response to the Request For Package (RFP) #280209, [1]_ I've hacked up a quick codeville package. The diff is attached. There are some debian-legal matters concerning Open Source License v2.0 (and even v2.1), so it'll probably end up in non-free (not that I agree with these legal banterings at

Re: Sarge release for amd64 - Please help to fix the remaining bugs

2005-05-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 09:10:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 10:52:02PM -0500, Adam M. wrote: > > > >Ideally, we would have agreement to update all of the following packages to > > >libmysqlclient12 at the same time: > > > I would suggest that libmysqlclient14 should

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Keep in mind that whenever you contribute something back to upstream, > you generally get little recognition for it (at least in my experience). > The code just becomes part of the new upstream version. I'm not too > sensitive about the "recognition" part a

Re: [Pre-RFA] Intending to drop twenty-some packages

2005-05-02 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Hi Martin, Thanks very much for the very thorough follow-up! On 2 May 2005 at 16:23, Martin Michlmayr wrote: | * Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-03 21:03]: | > | Did you keep track which packages have been spoken for and for which | > | you still need to file RFA or O reports? |

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Adam Majer
Matthew Palmer wrote: >I understood the proposal to be only for unchanged Debian source packages >(ie pure rebuild). If an Ubuntuite is actively maintaining the package for >Ubuntu, it stands to reason that they be listed as the Maintainer for the >Ubuntu source package, with appropriate credit g

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Martin Schulze [Mon, 02 May 2005 20:46:44 +0200]: > Maybe it's worth modifying the debian/control file a bit when you > are altering the package such as >Maintainer: becomes Debian-Maintainer I like this. (In fact, I have a mail written proposing it. Glad I postponed it and read the re

Re: launchd and lookupd

2005-05-02 Thread Adam M.
martin f krafft wrote: >Apple has just released launchd, a init/cron/watchdog/etc. >replacement. Has anyone looked at it? It seems like a bit of work to > > It is not a good idea to replace multiple system utilities with one. Right now I can install a different cron or inetd or atd, or I can rem

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Adam Majer
Matt Zimmerman wrote: >On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:34:09PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > > >>Then I also found, >>http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/mysql-query-browser/mysql-query-browser_1.1.4-1ubuntu2.dsc >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ gpg --verify mysql-query-browser_1.1.4-1ubuntu2.dsc >>gpg: Signatur

Re: [Pre-RFA] Intending to drop twenty-some packages

2005-05-02 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Martin! You wrote: > > | * the gsl set: > > > > -- is still mine though Bas Zoetekouw indicated that he would like to help. > > I > > think I got Chris Steigies to agree to help too. > > Looking at gsl itself, I can see neither of their names. Have they > done any work and can they maybe d

Processed: your mail

2005-05-02 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reopen 305753 Bug#305753: general: 38 packages still use "Origin: debian" Bug reopened, originator not changed. > severity 305753 wishlist Bug#305753: general: 38 packages still use "Origin: debian" Severity set to `wishlist'. > clone 305753 -1 Bug#30

Bug#307412: ITP: dbxml -- a native XML database

2005-05-02 Thread Tomas Fasth
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Tomas Fasth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: dbxml Version : 2.0.9 Upstream Author : Sleepycat Software <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.sleepycat.com/download * License : Sleepycat License, BSD compatible Descr

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 12:25:28AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.05.03.0006 +0200]: > > Another option would be to leave the source package maintainer the > > same (to retain proper credit, etc.), but override the binary > > package maintainer

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.05.03.0006 +0200]: > Another option would be to leave the source package maintainer the > same (to retain proper credit, etc.), but override the binary > package maintainer during the build (to reflect that it is > a different build, and also dis

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 03:06:10PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 08:46:44PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > Every Debian derivative I have seen does this the same way. There is some > > > inaccuracy in either case, but I think this is the le

Re: [Pre-RFA] Intending to drop twenty-some packages

2005-05-02 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-03 21:03]: > | Did you keep track which packages have been spoken for and for which > | you still need to file RFA or O reports? Let's make another round. > | * the Octave complex > -- is now in the hands on the pkg-octave-devel group with octave2.

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 08:46:44PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Every Debian derivative I have seen does this the same way. There is some > > inaccuracy in either case, but I think this is the lesser of the evils: > > > > - Changing the maintainer field > > - " is t

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > Every Debian derivative I have seen does this the same way. There is some > inaccuracy in either case, but I think this is the lesser of the evils: > > - Changing the maintainer field > - " is taking credit for my work!" > - Requires modification of every source packag

Re: Ubuntu and its "appropriation" of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Martin Schulze
James Treacy wrote: > On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 11:40:19AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > I have to confess this is mainly because I maintain both > > packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com and just copied the code. > > If anyone has suggestions how to improve the wording on the Ubuntu > >

Re: Bug#264069: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Alexis Sukrieh
Pascal Hakim wrote: I've just created the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. You can subscribe from http://lists.debian.org/debian-webapps/ And you can join the live discussions on #debian-webapps on irc.oftc.net :) Let's have a nice collaborative work fellow developers! -- Alexis Sukrieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Bug#264069: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Pascal Hakim
I've just created the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. You can subscribe from http://lists.debian.org/debian-webapps/ Cheers, Pasc On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 13:50 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 10:21:30AM +0200, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: > > It really seems that such a list is need

orphaning packages: clara and vertex

2005-05-02 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
I intend to orphan two of my packages: clara a GPLd OCR, designed for large digitalizations of books - and vertex, a 3d OpenGL modeller. I do not use them anymore, and I've not been giving these packages the attention they deserve for a while. I am sure someone else will be able to do a much b

Re: suggested buildd service

2005-05-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 12:33:19PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >> - you can build packages that aren't normaly autobuild (if the buildd >> >> makes the debs available, encrypted witht the D

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 10:21:30AM +0200, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: > It really seems that such a list is needed, a lot of webapp maintainers > would be happy to have a common place to talk about that. Definitely. > Here is the name that sounds to be the good one, according to this thread: > >

Re: Bug#307283: ITP: gbk2uni -- GBK to Unicode conversion tool for TeX .out file

2005-05-02 Thread Carlos Z.F. Liu
Sorry, forgot the upstream link. It's http://lsec.cc.ac.cn/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/cct/cct/ -- Best Regards, Carlos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: suggested buildd service

2005-05-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 12:33:19PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> - you can build packages that aren't normaly autobuild (if the buildd > >> makes the debs available, encrypted witht the DDs key or so) > > > > I don't see why that would be

Re: suggested buildd service

2005-05-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> - you can build packages that aren't normaly autobuild (if the buildd >> makes the debs available, encrypted witht the DDs key or so) > > I don't see why that would be a _benefit_. It comes down to: Because releases are so far apart. Some Debian u

Bug#307283: ITP: gbk2uni -- GBK to Unicode conversion tool for TeX .out file

2005-05-02 Thread Carlos Z.F. Liu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Carlos Z.F. Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: gbk2uni Version : 0.22 Upstream Author : cxterm, Linbo Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shujun LI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : GPL Desc

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 11:54:07AM +0200, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: > Neil McGovern wrote: > >As per the list creation guidelines, I'll suggest the following, unless > >anyone can improve on it: > > Ok, thanks. > > I sent your report to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and retitled the bug. > Thanks, saves me hav

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Alexis Sukrieh
Neil McGovern wrote: As per the list creation guidelines, I'll suggest the following, unless anyone can improve on it: Ok, thanks. I sent your report to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and retitled the bug. Cheers. -- Alexis Sukrieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 10:21:30AM +0200, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: > Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > >>>If interested people would think a l.d.o list > >>>is better, that could also be nice. > >> > >>Once you've got me convinced the list is a good idea, it usually doesn't > >>take too long to creat

Re: launchd and lookupd

2005-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 02, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not in Debian. Like all of Apple's "Open Source" stuff, this is released > under APSL 2.0, which requires people who accept the license to give up all > their patent rights. There is no consensus that this is a DFSG violation, something which

Re: launchd and lookupd

2005-05-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.05.02.1031 +0200]: > Not in Debian. Like all of Apple's "Open Source" stuff, this is > released under APSL 2.0, which requires people who accept the > license to give up all their patent rights. > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/

Re: launchd and lookupd

2005-05-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 10:14:43AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > Apple has just released launchd, a init/cron/watchdog/etc. > replacement. Has anyone looked at it? It seems like a bit of work to > port it to Linux, but then it's also possibly a great tool which > could revolutionise the sysv-rc s

Re: Publicly available mbox archives of debian mailing lists + Bug#161440

2005-05-02 Thread Martin Mewes
Hello, Lex Hider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > On 10:26 Thu 28 Apr , Martin Mewes wrote: > > > http://mbox.mewes.tv/ exists :-) > > > > Great! This is exactly the kind of thing I'm after. Probably the > > month-by-month approach is most beneficial to me. I do think that > > it's a pity that

Re: Publicly available mbox archives of debian mailing lists + Bug#161440

2005-05-02 Thread Martin Mewes
Hi, Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 12:45:17PM +0200, Martin Mewes wrote: > > Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > You might want to obscure those a little bit. You should probably > > > munge the Return-Path from those emails, and possibly the top > >

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Alexis Sukrieh
Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: If interested people would think a l.d.o list is better, that could also be nice. Once you've got me convinced the list is a good idea, it usually doesn't take too long to create it. It really seems that such a list is needed, a lot of webapp maintainers would be h

launchd and lookupd

2005-05-02 Thread martin f krafft
Apple has just released launchd, a init/cron/watchdog/etc. replacement. Has anyone looked at it? It seems like a bit of work to port it to Linux, but then it's also possibly a great tool which could revolutionise the sysv-rc stuff we have in Debian without us having to write dependency-rc. http://

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Pierre Habouzit
> So, I'm not sure such kind of list > will be useful for a long period. Of course, we could discuss about > the meaning of 'long' in Debian metrics... I disagree with that. A lot of people use webapps (through their browser) a lot more than all the others. I already explained my PoV about weba

Re: PHP/WebApp policy/mailing list

2005-05-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2005-05-01 kello 21:41 +0100, Neil McGovern kirjoitti: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I keep thinking that it should be in plural: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#271428: mapping unknown timezones

2005-05-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach GOTO Masanori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.05.02.0610 +0200]: > I agreed to Dickopp (you read the standard in detail). This is the > implementation dependent behavior. I never proposed to change the standard. I proposed to make use of implementation-dependent freedom to implement timezon