Re: FWD: CERT Vendor-Initiated Bulletin VB-98.04 - xterm.Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
I have put some hopefully helpful information regarding this bug up on the X Strike Force page. http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html -- G. Branden Robinson | The key to being a Southern Baptist: Purdue University | It ain't a sin if you don't get caught.

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Why should you make your package conform? Raul> Because it's the right thing to do. If we all did the right thing we would not need a policy or a constitution, would we now? This

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You do have a tendency to jump to untenable positions. Who said >> that we shall remove all packages with bugs or all packages that >> fail to follow policy? Raul> You made an ambiguous st

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Bear" == Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bear> You're assuming that this rule applies everywhere and in Bear> every situation. In the US the assumption often goes the Bear> other way; anything not explicitly forbidden is permitted Bear> (up to the limits of lawful act

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Thomas Roessler
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:05:35PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: > We have one. It's called /etc. This is, mostly, true. _BUT_ there is a different point about this: System administrators should be educated to use RCS or CVS for their configuration files, and they should _not_ edit the production fil

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:59:49AM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like > windows nt registry, but with a better, unixlike implementation). We have one. It's called /etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread G John Lapeyre
On 28 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Is that such a bad thing, really? I would rather that the > policy documents be corrected, and held as a set of rules htat > have to be followed, woth an exception for the items that happen to Debian is great and everything, but it

Intent to package eMusic

1998-04-28 Thread Brian Almeida
I intend to package eMusic once my maintainer status is done. I've got it working on my system, I know others have had problems with it. I also want to get more Enlightenment packages out there. eMusic is GPL free. It is an MP3 player with amp skins support. It is dependent upon Imlib (>=1.2) a

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You do have a tendency to jump to untenable positions. Who > said that we shall remove all packages with bugs or all packages that > fail to follow policy? You made an ambiguous statement. You made a statement about how policy should have more

giftrans

1998-04-28 Thread Cédric
Hello, I'm looking for a program (in Java or C) which is able to convert many Gifs to a Gif89a to make an animated Gif. Is it possible to do this with GifTrans ? Thanks bye cedric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Inaky Perez Gonzalez
> "Andreas" == Andreas Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Andreas> take a look at r2d2, a tool written by winfried truemper. it Andreas> does exactly this : get rid of all init.d scripts for Andreas> daemons, and offer a way to start them standalone, via inetd Andreas> or via

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> "Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> The constitution places no limitations on the developer's Guy> authority with regard to their own work. Your version says that Guy> the maintainers must follow policy. Raul> Manoj Sriv

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why should you make your package conform? Because it's the right thing to do. > There is nothing that says you have to follow policy. Can the Tech > committee make me do whatever they darned well please? Well, they certainly can't make you read

disappearance of dists/stable link from ftp archive

1998-04-28 Thread James A . Treacy
The link dists/stable -> ../bo has disappeared from the ftp archive. According to the dists/README, this is supposed to be the canonical way to access the different distributions. Having something like the stable link disappear without any notice makes it rather difficult to keep the web pages wor

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 09:40:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > And now my comments: > > 1) He does not mention that selling is allowed. So you are not allowed to > > sell it. > > Last time I heard, "redistribute freely" was taken to mean tha

Re: Bug#21691: perl-base is essential nothing should Depend: on it.

1998-04-28 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
"Darren/Torin/Who Ever..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry, I mis-stated the question. Why does libnet-perl depend on > data-dumper in base. I thought we (as in debian-devel) had discussed > not asking the libnet-perl configuration questions during install. > Since Net::Config is the only pla

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Guy> The constitution places no limitations on the developer's > Guy> authority with regard to their own work. Your version says that > Guy> the maintainers must follow policy. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is that such a bad thing,

Re: Bug#21691: perl-base is essential nothing should Depend: on it.

1998-04-28 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Enrique Zanardi, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: >> P.S. Why is data-dumper in base? >'Cause libnet-perl depends on it. Sorry, I mis-stated the question. Why does libnet-perl depend on data-dumper in base. I thought we (as in debian-devel) had di

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Peter Tobias
On Apr 28, Inaky Perez Gonzalez wrote: > I'm a rather new and very happy Debian user, and some time ago > while testing hamm/unstable I came trough a problem I thought deserved > some time. > > I like better xinetd than inetd, so I installed. Despite of it > trying hard to xlate in

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Peter Tobias
On Apr 28, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > Oh, no! > Please don't remove them. > They are very convenient and necessary tools when you are installing on some > local network and to setup proper routing you need to chek other local > mach

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:36:03PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote: > > The long-term plan is: > > > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > 3) separate twm into its own package > > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager > > I don't think shippin

FWD: CERT Vendor-Initiated Bulletin VB-98.04 - xterm.Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Joey Hess
We all have packages affected by this bug report. Let's coordinate and try to dig up patches to fix it. - Forwarded message from Aleph One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 25621 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1998 01:02

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Manoj> Hmm. I think I like the idea of the policy documents being the law, Manoj> and the technical committee like the justices, who lay down Manoj> interpretations (which are referred to latter

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I don't see how this conflicts with the proposed >> constitution. Please give me more info on that. Guy> The constitution places no limitations on the developer's Guy> authority with regard t

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:36:34AM -0400, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > Oh, no! > Please don't remove them. > They are very convenient and necessary tools when you are installing on some > local network and to setup proper routing you

Re: base-files etc.

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's already a .bash_profile (and a .bashrc) > > in /etc/skel/. > And I strongly believe there shouldn't be any. Well, frankly, nothing is "necessary" in /etc/skel/. The two bash scripts are fairly content free, and .alias and .cshrc provided by tc

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Tue 28 Apr 1998, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:59:49AM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > > btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like > > windows nt registry, but with a better, unixlike implementation). > > How is the work on COAS going

Re: CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Thomas Roessler
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:45:33PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Well, the reason xterm is setuid is because it needs > privileged access to the utmp file. However, this is > presently a problem under some circumstances (see bug > #20685). It's not the only reason: XTerm needs to be suid root

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Thomas Roessler
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:02:11PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > I thought lintian already detects setuid binaries and needs > > confirmation by the author that it needs to be setuser or > > not. > Yes, it does. Fine. But apparently this confirmation is given a little bit - mh - quickly. ;

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > which is my point on, the fact that it's a little hypocritical (not very, > but a little), for the FSF to make emacs compilable out of the box for > Motif. They would never do that for Qt, which would be "free" to compile > with, but Motif, which would cos

Re: CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:45:33PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Well, the reason xterm is setuid is because it needs privileged access to > the utmp file. However, this is presently a problem under some > circumstances (see bug #20685). I understand it also needs it to allocate a pty. > XFr

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 07:59:49PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > I thought lintian already detects setuid binaries and needs > confirmation by the author that it needs to be setuser or > not. Yes, it does. -- G. Branden Robinson | The first thing the communists do when Purdue U

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Martin Schulze
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:50:37PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > > First, the Debian Policy should be enhanced by a paragraph > > on suid binaries. The policy should emphasize the least > > privilege principle. It should requir

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > First, the Debian Policy should be enhanced by a paragraph > on suid binaries. The policy should emphasize the least > privilege principle. It should require the use of > suidmanager when installing scripts suid root. > > Further

Re: CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:12:22PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:57:55PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote: > > > > Vulnerabilities exist in the terminal emulator xterm(1), and the Xaw > > > library distributed in various MIT X Consortium; X Consortium, Inc.; > > > and The Open Group

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:23:34PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > So you don't think other packages---such as the window managers---should > modify it? It's considered Bad Practice for a package to go about muckin

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-28 Thread Shaya Potter
At 13:09 27/04/98 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: >Richard Braakman wrote: >> >The GPL specifically forbids the OS vendor from making use of the >> >shipped-with-the-OS clause. (This closes a large loophole). >> >So if Motif is considered a standard part of the Red Hat OS, then >> >everyone *except* Red

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-28 Thread Shaya Potter
At 13:04 27/04/98 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: >Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But you did need a special license to compile for Motif. > >Good point. which is my point on, the fact that it's a little hypocritical (not very, but a little), for the FSF to make emacs compilable out of the b

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-28 Thread Shaya Potter
At 13:04 27/04/98 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: >Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> As an aside, I am beggining to think that we need a better license, >> >> from a legal perspective, because with all the issues of shared >> >> libraries, "essential parts", and who knows what else, if someon

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:19:36AM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: >Branden Robinson writes: > > The long-term plan is: > > > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > 3) separate twm into its own package > > 4) write /usr/sbin/regi

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:52:07AM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: >register-window-manager [pathname] > with no arguments, enters interactive mode > with one pathname argument, invokes interactive mode with "add" action > and pathname already done, thus prompting for priority (see below

overwriting directories

1998-04-28 Thread Adrian Bridgett
I thought dpkg only complained about overwriting when at least one of the two is a file. It this is so, then dpkg doesn't handle the case when one of them doesn't exist (I did "rm -r /usr/lib/netscape" to remove loads of netscape junk). [1]wyvern:/zip/linux/debs$ sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i n

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Eric Delaunay
Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > Oh, no! > Please don't remove them. > They are very convenient and necessary tools when you are installing on some > local network and to setup proper routing you need to chek other local > machines and do

Re: non-maintainer ssh package available

1998-04-28 Thread Philip Hands
> Hi: > I've just made ssh 1.22.2-4.1 which fixes a serious use-after-free bug > that is responsible for most of ssh's recent bug reports. Please check it out > at Excelent, I'll do that. > http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/ssh/ > > If necessary I'll upload this. Thanks. I shoul

small problem

1998-04-28 Thread Leszek Gerwatowski
I want to create my own package with some tools for teTeX and I've some problems with it: 1. I put some files into /usr/doc/package-name and in postinst script i copy them to diferent places as needed. Now when i try to run: root:~# dpkg -S file-name /usr/doc/package-name/file-name I want to add

Re: Directory for dictionary databases

1998-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: > I don't think a mono-lingual dictionary is "translation related" > data. Hmmm, that's a nice topic for discussion. For me as a German native speaker ar monolingual dictionaries like wordnet sometimes a more helpful tool than a bi-lingual dictionary.

Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.7) (comments)

1998-04-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Richard Braakman writes ("Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.7) (comments)"): ... > All three looked the same to me; I hope they were :-) Yes; I should make this clearer next time. > I had trouble understanding the second paragraph of section 1: > >This document describes the organisati

Re: Directory for dictionary databases

1998-04-28 Thread Bob Hilliard
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But in my opinion it is a bad solution if every "translation related" > data should be stored in different directories. I think a directory > structure should be as logical as possible. Im not familiar with > FHS and havn't enough time to learn about it

Re: CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:57:55PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote: > > Vulnerabilities exist in the terminal emulator xterm(1), and the Xaw > > library distributed in various MIT X Consortium; X Consortium, Inc.; > > and The Open Group X Project Team releases. These vulnerabilities may > > be exploited by

What's an easy installation?

1998-04-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
Just seen on net.general: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bryan C. Andregg) wrote on 27.04.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 27 Apr 1998 07:52:37 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, YoYo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >wrote: I would suppose that RedHat is doing well because of the e

Re: base-files etc.

1998-04-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raul Miller) wrote on 27.04.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Santiago Vila) wrote on 26.04.98 in > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I would really like to see something like '\h:\w\$ ' (or '\w\$ ' at > > > least) in

Pronouns (was Re: Proposed Constitution)

1998-04-28 Thread Ian Jackson
This discussion is ridiculous. In my view singular `they' is perfectly correct. If I can use it in my PhD thesis (with a footnote[1] and supporting references, and without any complaint from the examiners) then we can use it here. Furthermore, language is defined by use, not by prescription (try

CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread A Mennucc
Hi Are we aware of (concerned by) ftp://ftp.cert.org/pub/cert_bulletins/VB-98.04.xterm.Xaw ? it says that > Vulnerabilities exist in the terminal emulator xterm(1), and the Xaw > library distributed in various MIT X Consortium; X Consortium, Inc.; > and The Open Group X Project Team release

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > Today, I reported two bugs in debian packages which > install binaries suid root. Both bugs were avoidable: There's a third one too---we install xterm suid root, which isn't necessary (the alternative is to use a wrapper program t

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:26:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile So you don't think other packages---such as the window managers---should modify it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Igor Grobman
> On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 06:18:13PM +1000, Aaron Howell wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:11:45AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > > Then we have two options: > > > > > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > > - Create a netstd-base package with those tools. > >

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Ben Pfaff
Branden Robinson writes: > The long-term plan is: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager I don't think shipping an empty file, and marking

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread jdassen
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > Further, the policy should require maintainers to tag bug reports about > programs running suid root "critical". >From http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer.html#severities :critical : makes unrelated software on the system (o

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Yann Dirson
Branden Robinson writes: > The long-term plan is: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager I don't think shipping an empty file, and marking it as a conffile, would

How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Thomas Roessler
Today, I reported two bugs in debian packages which install binaries suid root. Both bugs were avoidable: - Bug #21799 is dealing with /usr/X11R6/bin/xload's permissions - Debian installs this program suid root, while it doesn't need this privilege level. It became a security breach by the

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Bob Hilliard
Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > The sensitivity to good disks is, as I understand it, caused by poor > > BIOS floppy drivers and is independent of the Linux kernel, let alone > > which distribution you are running. > > Actually, as I

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread aqy6633
> - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. Oh, no! Please don't remove them. They are very convenient and necessary tools when you are installing on some local network and to setup proper routing you need to chek other local machines and download some configuration files from

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Hartmut Koptein
> > There's been a lot of porting going on for Alpha, however, I can't > really say that the number of packages that need to be ported to Alpha > has been decreasing since the freeze; every time 20 packages are > uploaded for Alpha, there are 22 new packages for i386 :-( Thats the reason for

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, I'm still undecided as to whether 2.0 should go out for Alpha. > Anyone else have opinions? I think we should leave it out of 2.0, with the caveat that we should nevertheless start referring to it as a full-fledged port---and once we get further

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Christopher C. Chimelis
Paul Slootman wrote: > There's been a lot of porting going on for Alpha, however, I can't > really say that the number of packages that need to be ported to Alpha > has been decreasing since the freeze; every time 20 packages are > uploaded for Alpha, there are 22 new packages for i386 :-( I

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Ben Pfaff
register-window-manager [pathname] with no arguments, enters interactive mode with one pathname argument, invokes interactive mode with "add" action and pathname already done, thus prompting for priority (see below) Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:26:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package thanks!!! > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager > > register-window-manager [pathname] > [...] >

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:11:12PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker > configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst > bombed. This was reported as a bug, and it is fixed on 0.14.1-4, is it not?!? (I

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Paul Slootman
[crossposted to debian-alpha] On Tue 28 Apr 1998, Guy Maor wrote: [I had to read the original message via the archive, as the mailhost here was screwed up yet again and discarded all messages arriving this weekend :-( ] About Alpha: There's been a lot of porting going on for Alpha, however,

Re: why not mingetty??

1998-04-28 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 27 Apr 1998, Jeff Sheinberg wrote: > > If my idea of a useful default is different from yours, then let > us each have her way with a configurable file. Don't cripple > either of us by hardcoding the "better" default into the .deb > file. That was my point, now I think about it; thanks fo

Re: rescue1440.bin

1998-04-28 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 27 Apr 1998, Julien Ortega wrote: > It may be a very simple question, how can i make the rescue1440.bin file > from my floppy disk (because on this disk i have put the kernel 2.0.33) dd if=/dev/fd0 of=rescue1440.bin bs=18k or whatever variation takes your fancy. I guess 'cp /dev/fd0 rescu

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: >However, it is not as obvious as you want to make us believe. Things that >are not explicitely allowed are forbidden. Things that are not spelled out, >are not there at all. There is only little room for interpretation of legal >texts. I think this is a matter of l

Re: RFC: dpkg and handling of the Unconfigured state

1998-04-28 Thread Yann Dirson
Jason Gunthorpe writes: > Well, I have not observed that dpkg is capable of placing guarentees on > the dependency state during the *rm scripts. Alot of packages make use of > their dependents during their removal which leads the the problem that you > can no longer upgrade without configuring

non-maintainer ssh package available

1998-04-28 Thread Herbert Xu
Hi: I've just made ssh 1.22.2-4.1 which fixes a serious use-after-free bug that is responsible for most of ssh's recent bug reports. Please check it out at http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/ssh/ If necessary I'll upload this. Thanks. -- Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 is out! ( http://

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Martin Schulze
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 02:23:12AM -0700, Guy Maor wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As far as I can see we only have disadvantages supporting > > hamm-powerpc. (no regular uploads, extra handling of security > > fixes to non-supported versions, frozen of _really unstable_

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:59:49AM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like > windows nt registry, but with a better, unixlike implementation). How is the work on COAS going on? -- Enrique Zanardi

Re: First successfull hamm install

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 09:39:00PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > I have tried 3 times now to get the hamm boot disks to work and today was > the first time. Just installed it onto a removable scsi disk in my 486, > seems to have gone well. > > A few comments, > > - Why isn't the 'archive pat

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Guy Maor
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As far as I can see we only have disadvantages supporting > hamm-powerpc. (no regular uploads, extra handling of security > fixes to non-supported versions, frozen of _really unstable_ > binary set etc.) I would make dinstall just throw all uploads fo

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
take a look at r2d2, a tool written by winfried truemper. it does exactly this : get rid of all init.d scripts for daemons, and offer a way to start them standalone, via inetd or via xinetd. btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like windows nt registry, but with a

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 10:28:45AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In my experience, debian's bootdisk problems are inherent to the > entire "disk" method of installation. The way it is constructed (in hamm), > it needs 9 brand-new disks, with no blemish. If even one disk has a few > bad

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 05:32:54PM -0700, David Welton wrote: > Ok, I have had enough.. I would like to do something! [...] > In any case, I'm just stressed out.. I'm frustrated that it doesnt > work, and I couldnt help a friend install debian, and I'd like to do > something about it, other than j

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 06:18:13PM +1000, Aaron Howell wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:11:45AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > Then we have two options: > > > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > - Create a netstd-base package with those tools. > > > > If nobo

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Aaron Howell
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:11:45AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > Then we have two options: > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > - Create a netstd-base package with those tools. > > If nobody objects, I will choose the first option for the next > boot-floppies rele

netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 09:01:09PM +0200, Peter Tobias wrote: > On Apr 26, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 02:50:49PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > > > > > > Currently the base sy

Re: Bug#21726 (tar: doesn't dump files to /dev/null)

1998-04-28 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: : Yes, I know it may be too late to be changed, but are there any hints whom : to contact to get this "fixed"? The upstream maintainer, of course. Read the /usr/doc/tar/README.Debian file. Also, note that if you pipe tar's output through cat or dd on th

Re: man 2 intro - SVID (fwd)

1998-04-28 Thread Peter Tobias
On Apr 27, Liran Zvibel wrote: > BTW2: What do you think about Stevens' book "Advanced Programming in the > Unix Environment"? Should I buy it? Yes! IMHO it is a great book. It contains all you need to know about Unix programming. Thanks, Peter -- Peter Tobias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROT

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:11:12PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker > configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst > bombed. > > I presume some X package creates this file since dpkg can't find it, t

Re: Directory for dictionary databases

1998-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: > In earlier discussions, it was agreed that the proper location > for dictionary databases under the FHS would be > /usr/share/dict/. > > Subsequently, I have obtained a copy of the FHS, and have > discussed this subject with the upstream author

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > The sensitivity to good disks is, as I understand it, caused by poor > BIOS floppy drivers and is independent of the Linux kernel, let alone > which distribution you are running. Actually, as I understood it, the problem was poor linux floppy drivers.

Re: Bug#21726 (tar: doesn't dump files to /dev/null)

1998-04-28 Thread Rainer Clasen
Hi! Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The behaviour you are reportin in tar is not a bug. It is an optimization > that allows backup tools like Amanda to use a tar to /dev/null to quickly > estimate the size of a prospective backup when doing tape space planning. > > This is well-documented

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hmm. I do think this leads to a dilution of technical >> discipline. And we already have way too many open bug reports; >> people do not seem to want to fix ``real'' bugs, and ``mere'' >> p

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Bear Giles
> On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:36:00AM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: > > However, it is not as obvious as you want to make us believe. Things that > are not explicitely allowed are forbidden. Things that are not spelled out, > are not there at all. There is only little room for interpretation of lega

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 10:28:45AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In my experience, debian's bootdisk problems are inherent to the > entire "disk" method of installation. The way it is constructed (in hamm), > it needs 9 brand-new disks, with no blemish. If even one disk has a few > bad bl

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 05:32:54PM -0700, David Welton wrote: > In any case, I'm just stressed out.. I'm frustrated that it doesnt > work, and I couldnt help a friend install debian, and I'd like to do > something about it, other than just whining. For one particular install I did, Debian was the

X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst bombed. I presume some X package creates this file since dpkg can't find it, this also means that every window manager has a dependency on that package

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 08:37:42AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am sorry to burst that bubble, but do you care to centest that argument > with my english teacher? > > "they" is a plural non-gender pronoun. When writing in formal english, it > is required thatspecific formal pronouns be use

Re: base-files etc.

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 05:18:23PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > is nothing more annoying than to be in a directory deep in the tree > root:/usr/local/src/Work/graphics/png/full_color/logos/Linux/open/.xv/(32): > > See wht I mean? If you must have the path name, arrange to > chop compon

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Alex Romosan
> I say everybody is too paranoid. Who cares what it looks like? Do ^ >it effectively and use the most common method, whoever's toes it steps on. >Don't be afraid to put "he" because somebody will surely slander you for >you

First successfull hamm install

1998-04-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
I have tried 3 times now to get the hamm boot disks to work and today was the first time. Just installed it onto a removable scsi disk in my 486, seems to have gone well. A few comments, - Why isn't the 'archive path' remembered? I had to enter it once for the modules and again for the base se

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And now my comments: > 1) He does not mention that selling is allowed. So you are not allowed to > sell it. Er, you're allowed to redistribute it freely, and there's no restriction on selling it. What situation are you imagining where this is a proble

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