Bug#1084924: Draft Ballot Re: Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

2024-12-17 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Sean, On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:42:37AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote: > On Sun 15 Dec 2024 at 06:23pm +01, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Whether logging is available no longer is a boolean. A container > > runtime can provide a /dev/log service by forwarding to an external > > logging serv

Bug#1084924: Draft Ballot Re: Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

2024-12-17 Thread Philip Hands
Matthew Vernon writes: > D) The Technical Committee notes that logging daemons can now co-exist > with each other. Therefore, their should stop conflicting with one ^ they > another, and systemd-sysv s

Bug#1084924: Draft Ballot Re: Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

2024-12-17 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, On 17/12/2024 02:42, Sean Whitton wrote: On Sun 15 Dec 2024 at 06:23pm +01, Helmut Grohne wrote: Thanks for your comments. I had drafted A) to try and avoid being prescriptive about the adoption of the systemd-journald-is-syslog suggestion, but the result seems to have been too ambiguous

Bug#1084924: Draft Ballot Re: Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

2024-12-16 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sun 15 Dec 2024 at 06:23pm +01, Helmut Grohne wrote: >> A) The Technical Committee affirms that it is reasonable for a package to >> declare any suitable dependency upon the system-log-daemon virtual package. >> The Technical Committee suggests that Policy be updated to clarify this, an

Bug#1084924: Draft Ballot Re: Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

2024-12-15 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Matthew, On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 02:02:12PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > > Here's a draft ballot; please suggest changes and/or say you're happy with > it in the next couple of days, I (or someone else!) can call for votes on > it. Thanks for kicking of the drafting. > ===8<=== > In Bug #1

Bug#1084924: Draft Ballot Re: Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

2024-12-15 Thread Ansgar 🙀
Hi, On Sun, 2024-12-15 at 14:02 +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > The Technical Committee also > acknowledges that on systemd systems, journald can serve the purpose of > system-log-daemon, but that systemd also supports installing a separate > system-log-daemon. Does this mean that systemd shoul

Bug#1084924: Draft Ballot Re: Bug#1084924: The system-log-daemon virtual package

2024-12-15 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, At the last TC meeting we concluded that we'd heard sufficient argument on this issue to clarify the issues, and that we should therefore proceed to a vote. Here's a draft ballot; please suggest changes and/or say you're happy with it in the next couple of days, I (or someone else!) can