Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Parallel Development Tools
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 08:59:41PM +0200, Jon Tegner wrote:
> Robert G. Brown wrote:
>> Fedora installs in the future will be done by yum. Yum enables
>> something that is truly marvelous for people who have to install through
>
Tim Cutts wrote:
On 18-Oct-07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, didn't know about the preseeding method. Also, there seems to be a
kickstart, at least for ubuntu. Has anyone compared FAI to kickstart (for
ubuntu/debian)?
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From the website:
"Peacefully
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Bogdan Costescu wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Robert G. Brown wrote:
but on highly INhomogeneous hardware, slow and undependable networks, and
the like -- if it dies
This discussion being on the beowulf list, I can agree with kickstart being
used on INhomogenous hardware,
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Robert G. Brown wrote:
but on highly INhomogeneous hardware, slow and undependable
networks, and the like -- if it dies
This discussion being on the beowulf list, I can agree with kickstart
being used on INhomogenous hardware, but not on slow and undependable
networks; h
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Tim Cutts wrote:
The real killer advantages of FAI, for me, are the SSH server so I can
monitor the install remotely, and the detailed logging. Both of these
are invaluable for diagnosing installation problems.
With kickstart, you can start a VNC connection, check out:
h
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Tim Cutts wrote:
The real killer advantages of FAI, for me, are the SSH server so I can
monitor the install remotely, and the detailed logging. Both of these
are invaluable for diagnosing installation problems.
They certainly do sound useful, I agree. I'm hoping that if
On 18-Oct-07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks, didn't know about the preseeding method. Also, there seems to be a
> kickstart, at least for ubuntu. Has anyone compared FAI to kickstart (for
> ubuntu/debian)?
The fundamental approach is rather different. As I understand it,
kickstart basically r
> Debian/Ubuntu both have automated install methods. There's the
> 'preseeding' method, which is pretty similar in principle to
> kickstart; you just tell the installer where to find all the answers
> to the questions it would have asked.
>
> There's also the more flexible FAI, which is what we te
On 17 Oct 2007, at 6:50 pm, Jon Tegner wrote:
Drifting off a bit further, but as I see it, the biggest advantage
of FC over debien/ubuntu is kickstart. Or???
Debian/Ubuntu both have automated install methods. There's the
'preseeding' method, which is pretty similar in principle to
kicks
Robert G. Brown wrote:
[...]
If I had my druthers, we (the Linux community) would work towards a
unified packaging scheme, a nice binary standard, a common /etc layout
(ideally one that converts a lot of /etc files from flat to xml, since
flatfiles suck for the specification for slowly varying ex
Robert G. Brown wrote:
Fedora installs in the future will be done by yum. Yum enables
something that is truly marvelous for people who have to install through
thin pipes (e.g. DSL links): a two stage interruptable install. It is
possible to install a barebones system in the first pass in a rela
On 17 Oct 2007, at 16:20, Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Gerry Creager wrote:
Quote...
"Three things in life a man must do,
Before his days are done.
Write two lines of APL...
And make the sucker run."
OK, so it's not PL-I but APL was another interesting beast. A
friend had w
I think of it as "ed (as 'ex') is still critical as a part of vi (as
'gvim')".
Peter
On 10/16/07, Dale Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 2007-10-16 at 10:39, Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> elucidated:
> >
> > I have heard (or am spreading) the rumor that the 1-18-08 movie is not
> > rea
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Ellis Wilson wrote:
Wow, PL-I, I'm learning about that in my language design class. While it
brought a bunch of new items to the computing field, can't say I'm upset I
didn't code in it :).
Sorry guys, I came into existence just about the time the internet was opened
up
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Jon Tegner wrote:
Drifting off a bit further, but as I see it, the biggest advantage of FC over
debien/ubuntu is kickstart. Or???
I don't know if that question has an easy answer. Kickstart is
certainly AN advantage in certain environments, but Debian will install
automag
Yes indeed it's fascinating, and I could write all day about what I **did**
do (in 92 ish?) but which was already obseleted by porting to a platform
with a better ("vetted by randomness geeks") library.
But I think the idea ("hmmm") was that the bit of paper fluttering down from
the keypunch to th
On 2007-10-16 at 10:39, Joe Landman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> elucidated:
>
> I have heard (or am spreading) the rumor that the 1-18-08 movie is not
> really a monster movie, but the final epic battle between vi and emacs ...
>
An old coworker of mine would probably like me to put in good and
sarcast
Drifting off a bit further, but as I see it, the biggest advantage of FC
over debien/ubuntu is kickstart. Or???
/jon
Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, andrew holway wrote:
Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed.
$apt-cache search foo | grep bar
everyone I work wit
Wow, PL-I, I'm learning about that in my language design class. While it
brought a bunch of new items to the computing field, can't say I'm upset I
didn't code in it :).
Sorry guys, I came into existence just about the time the internet was opened
up from just NSF to commercial interest, so pu
Of course, this is valid given so many people use the kernel build time
as a benchmark ;) Heck! It's even used as a filesystem performance
benchmark!
Eric
Joe Landman wrote:
> andrew holway wrote:
>> And the winner of the 2007 Parallel Development Tools Award is...
>
> make -j16 ...
>
> (
Tim Cutts wrote:
I've been reading the aptitude documentation this morning, as it
happens, and there's all sorts of useful stuff it can do above what
apt-cache could manage, and it's solved a number of long-standing
problems I've had... in particular its search functionality is *much*
impro
You should switch to a .deb-system, to save you some trouble:
$ apt-cache search jove
jove - Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs - a compact, powerful editor
Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
/jon
Robert G. Brown wrote:
I do realize (*ahem*) that I'm one of three living humans that still use
jove, an
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Peter St. John wrote:
If someone had thought of a way to queue up and read tiny bits of paper
science would have advanced a decade :-)
Ahh, but but but...
Let us grant that a bucket full of such dots can be shaken to where the
order that they are drawn is unpredictable
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, andrew holway wrote:
Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed.
$apt-cache search foo | grep bar
everyone I work with however prefers yum. They regard Debian as being
a bit backward.
I don't know if Debian is backward, but I will affirm that yum is pretty
fa
I implemented "Chomp" (a nim-like game from Martin Gardner's description) in
basic with paper-punch around '74. At that time I had no concepts for "OS"
or "development environment" but I learned "acoustic coupler" and
"teletype" and was confused by "duplex". Later I briefly used a keypunch to
learn
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Tim Cutts wrote:
If you want a good introduction to debian packages and how they work, then I
recommend Martin Krafft's book "The Debian System". I've been a Debian
Developer for ten years, and that book still teaches me useful stuff about
Debian on a regular basis.
V
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Gerry Creager wrote:
Quote...
"Three things in life a man must do,
Before his days are done.
Write two lines of APL...
And make the sucker run."
OK, so it's not PL-I but APL was another interesting beast. A friend had
written an entire StarTrek game, including a 3d univer
andrew holway wrote:
> Not a fan of aptitude, Like command line me :)
>
> On 17/10/2007, Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 17 Oct 2007, at 10:30 am, andrew holway wrote:
>>
>>> Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed.
>>>
>>> $apt-cache search foo | grep bar
>>>
>>> everyon
On 17 Oct 2007, at 1:02 pm, stephen mulcahy wrote:
Tim Cutts wrote:
I've been reading the aptitude documentation this morning, as it
happens, and there's all sorts of useful stuff it can do above
what apt-cache could manage, and it's solved a number of long-
standing problems I've had...
Not a fan of aptitude, Like command line me :)
On 17/10/2007, Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 17 Oct 2007, at 10:30 am, andrew holway wrote:
>
> > Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed.
> >
> > $apt-cache search foo | grep bar
> >
> > everyone I work with however prefe
On 17 Oct 2007, at 10:30 am, andrew holway wrote:
Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed.
$apt-cache search foo | grep bar
everyone I work with however prefers yum. They regard Debian as being
a bit backward.
I'm not familiar with yum, so I can't really comment. However, ap
Apt-cache with a bit of grep is a powerful tool indeed.
$apt-cache search foo | grep bar
everyone I work with however prefers yum. They regard Debian as being
a bit backward.
On 17/10/2007, Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 16 Oct 2007, at 10:19 pm, Robert G. Brown wrote:
>
> > On Tue,
On 16 Oct 2007, at 10:19 pm, Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Jon Tegner wrote:
You should switch to a .deb-system, to save you some trouble:
$ apt-cache search jove
jove - Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs - a compact, powerful editor
Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
Hey, it's ok. I'
Peter St. John wrote:
**real** programmers somehow get large numbers of thralls to hoist huge
boulders into precise positions.
s/boulders/19 inch racks/
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At 05:34 PM 10/16/2007, Gerry Creager wrote:
Quote...
"Three things in life a man must do,
Before his days are done.
Write two lines of APL...
And make the sucker run."
OK, so it's not PL-I but APL was another interesting beast. A
friend had written an entire StarTrek game, including a 3d univ
Quote...
"Three things in life a man must do,
Before his days are done.
Write two lines of APL...
And make the sucker run."
OK, so it's not PL-I but APL was another interesting beast. A friend
had written an entire StarTrek game, including a 3d universe, in APL and
we wasted cycles waiting for
Didn't you have a tic-tac-toe game on punch cards written in PL-1?
John Leidel wrote:
Friends don't let friends play tic-tac-toe using punchcards :-)
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 11:20 -0700, David Mathog wrote:
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
and, as we all know, real developers
use paper: tape,
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, David Mathog wrote:
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
and, as we all know, real developers
use paper: tape, tab cards, or, if they must, teletype rolls.
You forgot paper tape. (Most people who used it probably wish they
could forget it too!)
Anyway, all of the tools yo
Lombard, David N wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:20:51AM -0700, David Mathog wrote:
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
and, as we all know, real developers
use paper: tape, tab cards, or, if they must, teletype rolls.
You forgot paper tape. (Most people who used it probably wish they
could
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Jon Tegner wrote:
You should switch to a .deb-system, to save you some trouble:
$ apt-cache search jove
jove - Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs - a compact, powerful editor
Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
Hey, it's ok. I'm actually trisystemal. FC 6 on top (soon to jump to
8
Jim Lux wrote:
Why not TECO?
Indeed. One of the great features of TECO is that no matter
what your name was, you could always enter it as a TECO command,
and it would do something. Of course, as other people recognized
long ago, most complicated TECO macros closely resembled
transmission noise
At 11:20 AM 10/16/2007, David Mathog wrote:
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> and, as we all know, real developers
> use paper: tape, tab cards, or, if they must, teletype rolls.
You forgot paper tape. (Most people who used it probably wish they
could forget it too!)
That's what I meant
P
On Oct 16, 2007, at 1:20 PM, David Mathog wrote:
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
and, as we all know, real developers
use paper: tape, tab cards, or, if they must, teletype rolls.
You forgot paper tape. (Most people who used it probably wish they
could forget it too!)
Anyway, all of the
**real** programmers somehow get large numbers of thralls to hoist huge
boulders into precise positions.
Poor GFLOPS/$, though.
Peter
...
Anyway, all of the tools you mentioned are for wimps - real
> programmers load code directly into memory using the toggle
> switches on the front of the compu
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:20:51AM -0700, David Mathog wrote:
> Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
> > and, as we all know, real developers
> > use paper: tape, tab cards, or, if they must, teletype rolls.
>
> You forgot paper tape. (Most people who used it probably wish they
> could forget it
Friends don't let friends play tic-tac-toe using punchcards :-)
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 11:20 -0700, David Mathog wrote:
> Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
> > and, as we all know, real developers
> > use paper: tape, tab cards, or, if they must, teletype rolls.
>
> You forgot paper tape. (Mo
Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> and, as we all know, real developers
> use paper: tape, tab cards, or, if they must, teletype rolls.
You forgot paper tape. (Most people who used it probably wish they
could forget it too!)
Anyway, all of the tools you mentioned are for wimps - real
programm
At 07:39 AM 10/16/2007, Joe Landman wrote:
Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, John Leidel wrote:
`vi`
:-P
Yeah, you'd BETTER duck and run away right after Joe after that one.
;-)
I have heard (or am spreading) the rumor that the 1-18-08 movie is
not really a monster movie, but th
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Joe Landman wrote:
Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, John Leidel wrote:
`vi`
:-P
Yeah, you'd BETTER duck and run away right after Joe after that one.
;-)
I have heard (or am spreading) the rumor that the 1-18-08 movie is not really
a monster movie, but th
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, John Leidel wrote:
`vi`
:-P
Yeah, you'd BETTER duck and run away right after Joe after that one.
;-)
rgb
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 09:48 -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
andrew holway wrote:
And the winner of the 2007 Parallel Development Tools Award is...
mak
Robert G. Brown wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, John Leidel wrote:
`vi`
:-P
Yeah, you'd BETTER duck and run away right after Joe after that one.
;-)
I have heard (or am spreading) the rumor that the 1-18-08 movie is not
really a monster movie, but the final epic battle between vi and emacs .
`vi`
:-P
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 09:48 -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
> andrew holway wrote:
> > And the winner of the 2007 Parallel Development Tools Award is...
>
> make -j16 ...
>
> (ducks and runs away)
>
>
>
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andrew holway wrote:
And the winner of the 2007 Parallel Development Tools Award is...
make -j16 ...
(ducks and runs away)
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